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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
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Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
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Not sure/Neutral
98
13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
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6%
Not at all
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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:52 pm

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Sure, but I actually don't know many actual communists that seemed to like Hillary. One of her most persistent problems, in fact, was her inability to energize the far left. Whereas the KKK endorsed Donald Trump and white supremacists turned out for him en masse on election day.

Are there statistics on white supremacist turnout for Trump?

Definition of a meme:

: an amusing or interesting picture, video, etc., that is spread widely through the Internet

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How are accusations that Donald Trump emboldens white supremacists like the KKK a "meme"?

The image posted was, in fact, a meme.


I would classify it as a political cartoon but "the KKK meme has gotten stale" clearly refers to more than just that image.

As to statistics, I doubt many exit polls asked, "Do you believe that whites are inherently better", but, well, I doubt the nation's white supremacists voted for anyone else, given the way they all very publicly love Trump.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:05 pm

People calling random things "memes" are simply people who just want to discredit something just by calling it a meme, because, bonus, they don't know what memes are.

A meme is any idea or concept spread via the Internet.

Trump being endorsed by the KKK isn't a meme, it's a fact.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:10 pm

The Rich Port wrote:People calling random things "memes" are simply people who just want to discredit something just by calling it a meme, because, bonus, they don't know what memes are.

A meme is any idea or concept spread via the Internet.

Trump being endorsed by the KKK isn't a meme, it's a fact.

Said fact was never being disputed by anyone in this thread.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:25 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:People calling random things "memes" are simply people who just want to discredit something just by calling it a meme, because, bonus, they don't know what memes are.

A meme is any idea or concept spread via the Internet.

Trump being endorsed by the KKK isn't a meme, it's a fact.

Said fact was never being disputed by anyone in this thread.


So facts are memes now?

Not everything is a meme.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:27 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Southerly Gentleman wrote:Said fact was never being disputed by anyone in this thread.


So facts are memes now?

Not everything is a meme.

huh? I never implied that
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:34 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
So facts are memes now?

Not everything is a meme.

huh? I never implied that


Whatever person did, is doing, and will do, then.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:42 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Southerly Gentleman wrote:huh? I never implied that


Whatever person did, is doing, and will do, then.

In a certain interpretation, facts can be memes. The broadest definition of a meme is "an idea, behavior, or style was which spreads from person to person within a culture". So, it isn't limited to just the Internet.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:43 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Kravanica wrote:Yeah, and the Communist Party certainly seemed to like Hillary. What's your point? Just because some fringe group likes a candidate doesn't mean that fringe group represents said candidate.

And I'm pretty sure I do.


Sure, but I actually don't know many actual communists that seemed to like Hillary. One of her most persistent problems, in fact, was her inability to energize the far left. Whereas the KKK endorsed Donald Trump and white supremacists turned out for him en masse on election day.

Definition of a meme:

: an amusing or interesting picture, video, etc., that is spread widely through the Internet

How are accusations that Donald Trump emboldens white supremacists like the KKK a "meme"?


Trump may have had the support of a few fascists/white nationalists, but pointing that out leads me to believe either one of two things.
(1. You want to subtly imply Trump is fascist/wn without saying it outright.
(2. You're going to say it outright.

Neither are true. Is he a protectionist and more authoritarian than most in the GOP? Sure. Fascist or white nationalist? Not at all. Not that this means much, but he managed to outperform Romney with Hispanics and Blacks.
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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:49 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Sure, but I actually don't know many actual communists that seemed to like Hillary. One of her most persistent problems, in fact, was her inability to energize the far left. Whereas the KKK endorsed Donald Trump and white supremacists turned out for him en masse on election day.

Definition of a meme:

: an amusing or interesting picture, video, etc., that is spread widely through the Internet

How are accusations that Donald Trump emboldens white supremacists like the KKK a "meme"?


Trump may have had the support of a few fascists/white nationalists, but pointing that out leads me to believe either one of two things.
(1. You want to subtly imply Trump is fascist/wn without saying it outright.
(2. You're going to say it outright.

Neither are true. Is he a protectionist and more authoritarian than most in the GOP? Sure. Fascist or white nationalist? Not at all. Not that this means much, but he managed to outperform Romney with Hispanics and Blacks.


I don't think he himself is a fascist, but I think he emboldens fascists, and I think he courts them and white supremacists through dogwhistling, and if not stopped, he potentially paves the way for fascists to gain serious ground in the United States in the future. How he outperformed Romney, I don't know, but he is absolutely no friend to minorities, especially Hispanics.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:49 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Whatever person did, is doing, and will do, then.

In a certain interpretation, facts can be memes. The broadest definition of a meme is "an idea, behavior, or style was which spreads from person to person within a culture". So, it isn't limited to just the Internet.


Facts =/= ideas or concepts.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:13 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Southerly Gentleman wrote:In a certain interpretation, facts can be memes. The broadest definition of a meme is "an idea, behavior, or style was which spreads from person to person within a culture". So, it isn't limited to just the Internet.


Facts =/= ideas or concepts.

that's true.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:21 pm

The Rich Port wrote:People calling random things "memes" are simply people who just want to discredit something just by calling it a meme, because, bonus, they don't know what memes are.

A meme is any idea or concept spread via the Internet.

Trump being endorsed by the KKK isn't a meme, it's a fact.

KKK also endorsed Reagan. He just handled it better.

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Postby Novus America » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:22 pm

The Rich Port wrote:People calling random things "memes" are simply people who just want to discredit something just by calling it a meme, because, bonus, they don't know what memes are.

A meme is any idea or concept spread via the Internet.

Trump being endorsed by the KKK isn't a meme, it's a fact.


People claiming to be KKK members have endorsed him certainly. But the KKK no longer exists a single group or united organization. So "the KKK" is not really correct. "A KKK", "KKKs" or "group(s) claiming to be the KKK would be more accurate.

"The third and current manifestation of the KKK emerged after 1950, in the form of small, local, unconnected groups that use the KKK name. They have focused on opposition to the Civil Rights Movement, often using violence and murder to suppress activists."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

So it is a bit more complicated.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:23 pm

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I feel that Obama and his predecessors were trying to move from a bilateral foreign policy to a multilateral one that benefits all countries.

However, bilateralism is the way the world has been working since the Cold War, not sure if it'll change any time soon.

An incredibly naïve policy is what it was.

Well he was a believer in the "Post American World"

But Obama was always pretty naive... I think that got beat out of him after 8 years...
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:25 pm

The PBS News Hour just made a valid point: All those Trump hotels all over the world are going to be terrorist bait. Is he going to spend government resources protecting them?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:30 pm

Gauthier wrote:The PBS News Hour just made a valid point: All those Trump hotels all over the world are going to be terrorist bait. Is he going to spend government resources protecting them?


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Postby Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:34 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Kravanica wrote:Are there statistics on white supremacist turnout for Trump?


wew


The image posted was, in fact, a meme.


I would classify it as a political cartoon but "the KKK meme has gotten stale" clearly refers to more than just that image.

I think you're reading a bit too much into it.

As to statistics, I doubt many exit polls asked, "Do you believe that whites are inherently better", but, well, I doubt the nation's white supremacists voted for anyone else, given the way they all very publicly love Trump.

So you have no evidence. All right then.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:35 pm

Gauthier wrote:The PBS News Hour just made a valid point: All those Trump hotels all over the world are going to be terrorist bait. Is he going to spend government resources protecting them?

Lolno. Defense of Trump corporate assets will serve as the pretext for us to form Trumpist paramilitaries, which will then execute the God-Emperor's will without formalities holding us back.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:37 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The PBS News Hour just made a valid point: All those Trump hotels all over the world are going to be terrorist bait. Is he going to spend government resources protecting them?

Lolno. Defense of Trump corporate assets will serve as the pretext for us to form Trumpist paramilitaries, which will then execute the God-Emperor's will without formalities holding us back.

You think you're being clever and funny, then find out some people actually buy into that shit intravenously.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:39 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Southerly Gentleman wrote:Lolno. Defense of Trump corporate assets will serve as the pretext for us to form Trumpist paramilitaries, which will then execute the God-Emperor's will without formalities holding us back.

You think you're being clever and funny, then find out some people actually buy into that shit intravenously.


Like Momma Gump always said "Stupid is as stupid does."
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Postby Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:43 pm

Gauthier wrote:The PBS News Hour just made a valid point: All those Trump hotels all over the world are going to be terrorist bait. Is he going to spend government resources protecting them?

I'd imagine they'd employ private security.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:44 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:You think you're being clever and funny, then find out some people actually buy into that shit intravenously.


Like Momma Gump always said "Stupid is as stupid does."

If someone seriously formed a Trumpquisition there would be a frightening lack of shortage on volunteers.
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Postby Inchland » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:45 pm

Kravanica wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The PBS News Hour just made a valid point: All those Trump hotels all over the world are going to be terrorist bait. Is he going to spend government resources protecting them?

I'd imagine they'd employ private security.

It'll more than likely be an internally handled thing I would think.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:47 pm

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Jerzylvania wrote:
Like Momma Gump always said "Stupid is as stupid does."

If someone seriously formed a Trumpquisition there would be a frightening lack of shortage on volunteers.


And why would there be? They would help the Good Guys win on all fronts against The Enemy.
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Postby Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:47 pm

Inchland wrote:
Kravanica wrote:I'd imagine they'd employ private security.

It'll more than likely be an internally handled thing I would think.

Possibly. But there would be a huge shitfit if the military handled it so I think they're smart enough to go for private security (even though the government already protects the assets of certain companies I think).
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