There's a fine line between "trying to not be enemies" and appointing a man with such blatant ties to the Russian government as Secretary of State.
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by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:17 pm
by Gauthier » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:17 pm
by Gauthier » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:21 pm
by Ashmoria » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:25 pm
Kravanica wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
I read that trump didn't like him because he has a moustache.
but I think he chose tillerson because of his Russian connections.
Well its no secret that Trump has a hardon for Putin. I really think Trump believes that he can cut deals and get along with these governments. I mean, he appointed the Chinese dictator's best American friend as ambassador to China.
by Patridam » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:26 pm
by Gauthier » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:27 pm
Patridam wrote:
"I think Putin has been a very strong leader for Russia, certainly stronger than our leader <for America>"
I fail to see or hear any squeeing in that statement. In fact, he's got a very salient point, one which I wholeheartedly agree, that Putin does everything he does for the benefit of Russia. America under Obama and indeed many presidents before him, has made decisions that do more for other countries than ourselves. America should only look out for its own self interest.
by Ashmoria » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:28 pm
Patridam wrote:
"I think Putin has been a very strong leader for Russia, certainly stronger than our leader <for America>"
I fail to see or hear any squeeing in that statement. In fact, he's got a very salient point, one which I wholeheartedly agree, that Putin does everything he does for the benefit of Russia. America under Obama and indeed many presidents before him, has made decisions that do more for other countries than ourselves. America should only look out for its own self interest.
by Patridam » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:28 pm
Kravanica wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
I read that trump didn't like him because he has a moustache.
but I think he chose tillerson because of his Russian connections.
Well its no secret that Trump has a hardon for Putin. I really think Trump believes that he can cut deals and get along with these governments. I mean, he appointed the Chinese dictator's best American friend as ambassador to China.
by The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:28 pm
Tsaraine wrote:Nazis aren't known for their smarts. You don't adhere to an ideology that got flattened under a T-34 in 1945 if you're full of sparks and opportunities in life.
Caelestiam wrote:...wait,
Are we seriously in a dick measuring contest over who has the right to declare law by virtue of the most innocent dead?
Sounds horrible and insensitive.
Proceed.
by Great Franconia and Verana » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:29 pm
Patridam wrote:
"I think Putin has been a very strong leader for Russia, certainly stronger than our leader <for America>"
I fail to see or hear any squeeing in that statement. In fact, he's got a very salient point, one which I wholeheartedly agree, that Putin does everything he does for the benefit of Russia. America under Obama and indeed many presidents before him, has made decisions that do more for other countries than ourselves. America should only look out for its own self interest.
by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:30 pm
Ashmoria wrote:Kravanica wrote:Well its no secret that Trump has a hardon for Putin. I really think Trump believes that he can cut deals and get along with these governments. I mean, he appointed the Chinese dictator's best American friend as ambassador to China.
is that true? I don't know anything about.... ok I forgot who he is appointing.
by Patridam » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:30 pm
Gauthier wrote:"I think Putin has been a very strong leader for Russia, certainly stronger than our leader <for America>"
I fail to see or hear any squeeing in that statement. In fact, he's got a very salient point, one which I wholeheartedly agree, that Putin does everything he does for the benefit of Russia. America under Obama and indeed many presidents before him, has made decisions that do more for other countries than ourselves. America should only look out for its own self interest.
by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:32 pm
Patridam wrote:Kravanica wrote:Well its no secret that Trump has a hardon for Putin. I really think Trump believes that he can cut deals and get along with these governments. I mean, he appointed the Chinese dictator's best American friend as ambassador to China.
Doesn't that make infinite sense though? A person with the most experience and best relationship with the government in question only makes sense as the choice for ambassador. You wouldn't pick an ambassador to China that calls them commies or g**ks or something.
by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:33 pm
Ashmoria wrote:Patridam wrote:
"I think Putin has been a very strong leader for Russia, certainly stronger than our leader <for America>"
I fail to see or hear any squeeing in that statement. In fact, he's got a very salient point, one which I wholeheartedly agree, that Putin does everything he does for the benefit of Russia. America under Obama and indeed many presidents before him, has made decisions that do more for other countries than ourselves. America should only look out for its own self interest.
he likes putin because he thinks putin called him brilliant when putin called him "shiny"sadSAD!
by Ashmoria » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:35 pm
Kravanica wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
is that true? I don't know anything about.... ok I forgot who he is appointing.
Don't worry. He's nominated like 19 people already. Here you go.
by Patridam » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:35 pm
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
"Everything Putin does he does for the benefit of Russia."
Havent had a laugh like that in a while.
As for your second point, thats a very selfish and unfortunate view. All countries should act in concert. The national interest of course comes first, but one shouldnt ignore the rest of the world.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:37 pm
Kravanica wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
is that true? I don't know anything about.... ok I forgot who he is appointing.
Don't worry. He's nominated like 19 people already. Here you go.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:37 pm
Ashmoria wrote:Kravanica wrote:Don't worry. He's nominated like 19 people already. Here you go.
you are so good to me!
i couldn't figure out if being friends with xi meant he has known him a long time or that they are actually friends.
that's a good sign, eh? trump has been so bellicose when it comes to china.
by Uxupox » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:38 pm
Kravanica wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
is that true? I don't know anything about.... ok I forgot who he is appointing.
Don't worry. He's nominated like 19 people already. Here you go.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:38 pm
Patridam wrote:No, it's a sane and logical view that is the only way to guarantee national survival. All countries cannot act in concert, because many of their self interests are diametrically opposed. The US helping a country in god knows where by sending our men to die there to fight their wars for them, or sending our tax money there to build schools that just get blown up - not only is it directly hurting the USA through lost lives of good men and lost money, it more often than not makes us even more reviled and comes back to bite us in the butt.
The real unfortunate view is the virtue signalling and national sacrifice policy of Obama and many of his predecessors, that ends up in an "America Last" foreign policy.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:39 pm
Uxupox wrote:Kravanica wrote:Don't worry. He's nominated like 19 people already. Here you go.
Personally two of his picks so far are pretty exceptionally good such as Mattis and John Kelly. He is still missing some appointees though such as the VA for example.
by Patridam » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:43 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I feel that Obama and his predecessors were trying to move from a bilateral foreign policy to a multilateral one that benefits all countries.
by Uxupox » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:44 pm
Kravanica wrote:Uxupox wrote:
Personally two of his picks so far are pretty exceptionally good such as Mattis and John Kelly. He is still missing some appointees though such as the VA for example.
He just announced his pick for the VA.
by Kravanica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:45 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Patridam wrote:No, it's a sane and logical view that is the only way to guarantee national survival. All countries cannot act in concert, because many of their self interests are diametrically opposed. The US helping a country in god knows where by sending our men to die there to fight their wars for them, or sending our tax money there to build schools that just get blown up - not only is it directly hurting the USA through lost lives of good men and lost money, it more often than not makes us even more reviled and comes back to bite us in the butt.
The real unfortunate view is the virtue signalling and national sacrifice policy of Obama and many of his predecessors, that ends up in an "America Last" foreign policy.
I feel that Obama and his predecessors were trying to move from a bilateral foreign policy to a multilateral one that benefits all countries.
However, bilateralism is the way the world has been working since the Cold War, not sure if it'll change any time soon.
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