Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Hittanryan]

If my income rises it will have nothing to do with Trump. I'm not going to be an investment banker. If I have to pay 12, 20, 35% more on basic consumer goods at WalMart, that will be Trump's fault.

Also I don't know if anyone has ever pointed this out to you: mercantilism is DEAD.

If a Walmart worker can get a factory jobs instead his income goes up.

Tell Xi mercantilism is dead. And no, it is a simply fact you cannot get anything for free. If you buy 300 million worth of stuff and sell 100 million that 200 million has to come from somewhere.

Nothing in life is free.

You're assuming there will be a factory job for that Walmart worker. I don't know why you're assuming that. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He lied about being able to bring $30/hour with benefits assembly line jobs back.

[Novus America]

Found this article in which it seems they want a 10% tariff on imports but no one in the business community is for it. Politicians believe a comprehensive tax reform would do the same and not cause a trade war with other nations.

Article from fake news CNN - http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/21/polit ... p-tariffs/

Of course those who got rich from selling our jobs to China do not want it. It might make it harder for them to finish cannibalizing our ecnomy.

[Novus America]

If a Walmart worker can get a factory jobs instead his income goes up.

Tell Xi mercantilism is dead. And no, it is a simply fact you cannot get anything for free. If you buy 300 million worth of stuff and sell 100 million that 200 million has to come from somewhere.

Nothing in life is free.

You're assuming there will be a factory job for that Walmart worker. I don't know why you're assuming that. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He lied about being able to bring jobs back.

He is not even in office yet. So you cannot say he lied about doing something he has not yet had a chance to do.
And I keep posting it, and you keep ingnoring it.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
We can get jobs back. Yes not every job or the exact same jobs. But that is not the point. We can create millions of new jobs. Your defeatism based on a false premise. The question is not can we. The question is will we.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You're assuming there will be a factory job for that Walmart worker. I don't know why you're assuming that. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He lied about being able to bring jobs back.

He is not even in office yet. So you cannot say he lied about doing something he has not yet had a chance to do.
And I keep posting it, and you keep ingnoring it.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
We can get jobs back. Your defeatism based on a false premise. The question is not can we. The question is will we.

I don't think the question is even "will we", but "how long will it take?"

Anyone assuming that we can get those jobs back in 8 years either has an incredible optimism, or is delusional.

[Hittanryan]

You're assuming there will be a factory job for that Walmart worker. I don't know why you're assuming that. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He lied about being able to bring jobs back.

He is not even in office yet. So you cannot say he lied about doing something he has not yet had a chance to do.
And I keep posting it, and you keep ingnoring it.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
We can get jobs back. Yes not every job or the exact same jobs. But that is not the point. We can create millions of new jobs. Your defeatism based on a false premise. The question is not can we. The question is will we.

I ignore it because it ignores labor costs. Why do you think companies outsource?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If a Walmart worker can get a factory jobs instead his income goes up.

Tell Xi mercantilism is dead. And no, it is a simply fact you cannot get anything for free. If you buy 300 million worth of stuff and sell 100 million that 200 million has to come from somewhere.

Nothing in life is free.

You're assuming there will be a factory job for that Walmart worker. I don't know why you're assuming that. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He lied about being able to bring $30/hour with benefits assembly line jobs back.

Like he lied about everything.

[Novus America]

He is not even in office yet. So you cannot say he lied about doing something he has not yet had a chance to do.
And I keep posting it, and you keep ingnoring it.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
We can get jobs back. Yes not every job or the exact same jobs. But that is not the point. We can create millions of new jobs. Your defeatism based on a false premise. The question is not can we. The question is will we.

I ignore it because it ignores labor costs. Why do you think companies outsource?

Labor costs are A FACTOR. Not the ONLY factor. If they were Chad would have all of he jobs in the world. China does not have the cheapest labor costs in the world. At all.
Overall manufacturing costs are not much cheaper in China.
http://fortune.com/2015/06/26/fracking- ... ing-costs/
Higher Labor costs can be offset through lower energy costs and higher productivity.

The problem is China is cheating. If our products are more competitive they largely block them or use various things like taxes, currency manipulation and others to make us uncompetitive.
Price is not the only thing too. Quality matters. The cheaper product is not always better.

Also you still fail to adress externalities like Chinese pollution. Their environmental compliance costs are lower for the manufacturer. But we all pay. Some literally with their lives.

Then again there is human rights, national security and Chinese imperialism though they are not as easily quantified.

[Novus America]

He is not even in office yet. So you cannot say he lied about doing something he has not yet had a chance to do.
And I keep posting it, and you keep ingnoring it.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
We can get jobs back. Your defeatism based on a false premise. The question is not can we. The question is will we.

I don't think the question is even "will we", but "how long will it take?"

Anyone assuming that we can get those jobs back in 8 years either has an incredible optimism, or is delusional.

Well sure, how long is a question. Point is though we can certainly create many jobs in those years.

[Novus America]

You're assuming there will be a factory job for that Walmart worker. I don't know why you're assuming that. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the working class. He lied about being able to bring $30/hour with benefits assembly line jobs back.

Like he lied about everything.

Well he lied about a lot. Not necessarily that, yet. Whether or not we do get manufacturing jobs back remains to be seen. He is not even in office.

[New Scario]

So it seems that whole fake news thing has come around to bite CNN and buzzfeed in the ass after they reported fake news themselves..

I hate buzzfeed, I'm not surprised they'd get rused this hard, after all the people who created the "which Disney princess are you" quiz tried to be ground breaking journalists and instead posted kinky fanfiction made up on 4 chan.

[Astrolinium]

So it seems that whole fake news thing has come around to bite CNN and buzzfeed in the ass after they reported fake news themselves..

I hate buzzfeed, I'm not surprised they'd get rused this hard, after all the people who created the "which Disney princess are you" quiz tried to be ground breaking journalists and instead posted kinky fanfiction made up on 4 chan.

I find it interesting that the same people who are so quick to see the weaknesses in this story are so quick to believe whatever 4chan tells them, when what I've seen of 4chan's "proof" that they did it is on similarly shaky ground. That said, if they did do it, the damage this story has done, as with all stories, will far outstrip any damage control efforts, and so Trump supporters on 4chan will have played themselves, because this is going to hurt Trump in the long run (not that doing so will necessarily actually accomplish anything) more than it is going to hurt Buzzfeed and CNN. The fact of the matter is that people are believing this story -- this has been compared to Pizzagate, but, you know, outside of the bubble the alt-right lives in, Pizzagate never got much traction, whereas this is a lot more widespread, in part because of CNN's involvement -- because the idea that Trump has dangerous ties to Russia and has performed lewd sex acts with foreign prostitutes -- and that the Russians have proof of this -- is eminently believable.

[Arlenton]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

[Gauthier]

So it seems that whole fake news thing has come around to bite CNN and buzzfeed in the ass after they reported fake news themselves..

I hate buzzfeed, I'm not surprised they'd get rused this hard, after all the people who created the "which Disney princess are you" quiz tried to be ground breaking journalists and instead posted kinky fanfiction made up on 4 chan.

I find it interesting that the same people who are so quick to see the weaknesses in this story are so quick to believe whatever 4chan tells them, when what I've seen of 4chan's "proof" that they did it is on similarly shaky ground. That said, if they did do it, the damage this story has done, as with all stories, will far outstrip any damage control efforts, and so Trump supporters on 4chan will have played themselves, because this is going to hurt Trump in the long run (not that doing so will necessarily actually accomplish anything) more than it is going to hurt Buzzfeed and CNN. The fact of the matter is that people are believing this story -- this has been compared to Pizzagate, but, you know, outside of the bubble the alt-right lives in, Pizzagate never got much traction, whereas this is a lot more widespread, in part because of CNN's involvement -- because the idea that Trump has dangerous ties to Russia and has performed lewd sex acts with foreign prostitutes -- and that the Russians have proof of this -- is eminently believable.

What does the US intelligence community have to say about it? If they think any significant part is credible it would be laughable to say they got played by 4chan.

[The Flutterlands]

What are your hopes that Trump does with this presidency?

End the wars we're in and avoid us getting into any more...

Actually, that would be one of the best things a president have done in decades...

[Corrian]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

...Yay?

[Lady Scylla]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

Who?

[Arlenton]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

Who?

Perfect.

[Arlenton]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

...Yay?

I don't know a whole lot about him, but it's never to early to put together a smear campaign.

[Astrolinium]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

I like Booker. I encouraged him to run when I met him at a rally just before the election -- that was when I assumed he'd be following Clinton in 2024, though. I'm not entirely sure he'll be the right man to combat Trump in 2020. I think he can motivate the African-American wings and center-left wings of the party, but I think he might have the same problems as Clinton with the anti-establishment crowd. We'll have to see what he does over the next three years.

I find it interesting that the same people who are so quick to see the weaknesses in this story are so quick to believe whatever 4chan tells them, when what I've seen of 4chan's "proof" that they did it is on similarly shaky ground. That said, if they did do it, the damage this story has done, as with all stories, will far outstrip any damage control efforts, and so Trump supporters on 4chan will have played themselves, because this is going to hurt Trump in the long run (not that doing so will necessarily actually accomplish anything) more than it is going to hurt Buzzfeed and CNN. The fact of the matter is that people are believing this story -- this has been compared to Pizzagate, but, you know, outside of the bubble the alt-right lives in, Pizzagate never got much traction, whereas this is a lot more widespread, in part because of CNN's involvement -- because the idea that Trump has dangerous ties to Russia and has performed lewd sex acts with foreign prostitutes -- and that the Russians have proof of this -- is eminently believable.

What does the US intelligence community have to say about it? If they think any significant part is credible it would be laughable to say they got played by 4chan.

Evidently this document is precisely what they briefed Trump on, and I think McCain has even come out and said it's what he handed to the CIA, so evidence seems to suggest they think it is credible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/busi ... ussia.html

[Gauthier]

What are your hopes that Trump does with this presidency?

End the wars we're in and avoid us getting into any more...

Actually, that would be one of the best things a president have done in decades...

So duck into a turtle shell while China and Russia divvy up the world and rogue states like Best Korea have a field day.

[Corrian]

Isn't he a "corporate shill" like Clinton supposedly was? Yes, that won't go over well with the establishment.

[Gauthier]

Isn't he a "corporate shill" like Clinton supposedly was? Yes, that won't go over well with the establishment.

Any time Trump brays about something bad about another person, either he does it significantly worse or is buddy-buddy with someone who does.

[Camicon]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

And that might be relevant in another two years. In the meantime, there is a Trump presidency to deal with.

[Arlenton]

Isn't he a "corporate shill" like Clinton supposedly was? Yes, that won't go over well with the establishment.

The Democratic establishment knows that having a good relationship with corporations isn't a bad thing, so they won't mind it.

It's the Bernie/progressive wing who will throw a fit.

[Novus America]

Very good chance that Corey Booker is running in 2020.

I like Booker. I encouraged him to run when I met him at a rally just before the election -- that was when I assumed he'd be following Clinton in 2024, though. I'm not entirely sure he'll be the right man to combat Trump in 2020. I think he can motivate the African-American wings and center-left wings of the party, but I think he might have the same problems as Clinton with the anti-establishment crowd. We'll have to see what he does over the next three years.

What does the US intelligence community have to say about it? If they think any significant part is credible it would be laughable to say they got played by 4chan.

Evidently this document is precisely what they briefed Trump on, and I think McCain has even come out and said it's what he handed to the CIA, so evidence seems to suggest they think it is credible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/busi ... ussia.html

Well more they found it notable enough to look into. Several things in it have already been shown to be false or incorrect though, and nothing shown to be true. Just because it was worth looking into once does not make it credible still.