Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[The Black Forrest]

And you know the private sector will do better... how?

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

Ok. you do remember that wasn't a desired result till recent times.

You do know Nasa has been giving work to spacex more and more right? Why all the hate?

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

You keep on saying that, yet NASA has done most of the leg work needed for mars landing.

Oh now you are going to suggest SpaceX et all reviewed the work of Nasa over the decades......

[Vassenor]

And you know the private sector will do better... how?

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbtulv0mnlU

Oh look, it's NASA doing lower-stage retrieval.

[Gauthier]

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

Ok. you do remember that wasn't a desired result till recent times.

You do know Nasa has been giving work to spacex more and more right? Why all the hate?

Gubmint Iz Ebil.

[Geilinor]

Ok. you do remember that wasn't a desired result till recent times.

You do know Nasa has been giving work to spacex more and more right? Why all the hate?

Gubmint Iz Ebil.

It's very ironic. SpaceX is mainly a NASA and Air Force contractor.

[The Black Forrest]

Gubmint Iz Ebil.

It's very ironic. SpaceX is mainly a NASA and Air Force contractor.

Phhfft details!

[Gravlen]

This is, I'm sure, going to be the basis of Trump's new cybersecurity initiative: Stop using computers.

Tax breaks will be offered for penmanship courses.

Bring back paper files and metal cabinets, thus revitalizing manufacturing obviously.

Trump is already creating new jobs. I predict a booming courier industry as the government stops writing e-mails and starts hand delivering messages.

[Lady Scylla]

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

Ok. you do remember that wasn't a desired result till recent times.

You do know Nasa has been giving work to spacex more and more right? Why all the hate?

They were limited by that until the recent budget plan. NASA is under government overwatch. NASA wanted to leave the ISS so they could prepare missions of establishing a permanent base on the moon. The government stepped in and said "Nope, you're going to Mars". After the scrap of the shuttle, and their budget constrictions, NASA was having to pay millions in hitching rides off potentially dangerous Russian rockets, they were not allowed to do much with private companies like SpaceX. Their budget plan from Dec 2016 has fixed that, allowing them to contract out private companies for launch vehicles, sites, personnel and other needed services to help them a) get to Mars by 2025 and b) Stop using Russian crap.

[Southerly Gentleman]

Ok. you do remember that wasn't a desired result till recent times.

You do know Nasa has been giving work to spacex more and more right? Why all the hate?

They were limited by that until the recent budget plan. NASA is under government overwatch. NASA wanted to leave the ISS so they could prepare missions of establishing a permanent base on the moon. The government stepped in and said "Nope, you're going to Mars". After the scrap of the shuttle, and their budget constrictions, NASA was having to pay millions in hitching rides off potentially dangerous Russian rockets, they were not allowed to do much with private companies like SpaceX. Their budget plan from Dec 2016 has fixed that, allowing them to contract out private companies for launch vehicles, sites, personnel and other needed services to help them a) get to Mars by 2025 and b) Stop using Russian crap.

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

[San Lumen]

I still would love to know what would happen if congress refused to certify the electoral college votes or if the speaker Tampered with the votes by tearing up many Trump ballots and changing trump ballots to Clinton ones to give a bare majority and sent it to the floor. The latter is what I'd do as speaker

I'm well aware it would never happen because no one has the guts

[Southerly Gentleman]

I still would love to know what would happen if congress refused to certify the electoral college votes or if the speaker Tampered with the votes by tearing up many Trump ballots and changing trump ballots to Clinton ones to give a bare majority and sent it to the floor. The latter is what I'd do as speaker

I'm well aware it would never happen because no one has the guts

The latter would also see the end of your political career and the end of your life as a free man.

[The Black Forrest]

They were limited by that until the recent budget plan. NASA is under government overwatch. NASA wanted to leave the ISS so they could prepare missions of establishing a permanent base on the moon. The government stepped in and said "Nope, you're going to Mars". After the scrap of the shuttle, and their budget constrictions, NASA was having to pay millions in hitching rides off potentially dangerous Russian rockets, they were not allowed to do much with private companies like SpaceX. Their budget plan from Dec 2016 has fixed that, allowing them to contract out private companies for launch vehicles, sites, personnel and other needed services to help them a) get to Mars by 2025 and b) Stop using Russian crap.

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

Well?....Are they making irresponsible promises? I would assume they understand one disaster from a poor plan and the effort dies.

[Gauthier]

I still would love to know what would happen if congress refused to certify the electoral college votes or if the speaker Tampered with the votes by tearing up many Trump ballots and changing trump ballots to Clinton ones to give a bare majority and sent it to the floor. The latter is what I'd do as speaker

I'm well aware it would never happen because no one has the guts

The Republicans go lock-step especially if it lets them win man. Not going to happen, just brace for the new year and hope Trump doesn't spectacularly fuck up and destroy the country like one of his casinos.

[Gauthier]

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

Well?....Are they making irresponsible promises? I would assume they understand one disaster from a poor plan and the effort dies.

"We'll build a wall, and make Mars pay for it!"

[The Black Forrest]

Finally saw the bit on Trump talking about knowing hacking and it's hard to prove. Should somebody talk about computer forensics or would that make his eyes roll up into his skull?

[Gauthier]

Finally saw the bit on Trump talking about knowing hacking and it's hard to prove. Should somebody talk about computer forensics or would that make his eyes roll up into his skull?

Trump is a bullshit artist. He'd say he knows everything about quantum physics if he thought it sounded good at the time.

[Southerly Gentleman]

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

Well?....Are they making irresponsible promises? I would assume they understand one disaster from a poor plan and the effort dies.

yea, it's irresponsible because it doesn't follow a rational progression of space accomplishment. There's too many variables involved to justify the extreme risk, and we would learn things from a Moon base that would be later used in a Mars mission

[Novus America]

Finally saw the bit on Trump talking about knowing hacking and it's hard to prove. Should somebody talk about computer forensics or would that make his eyes roll up into his skull?

Actually Trump would be right that it is hard to prove.
Hard to prove does not mean impossible to prove though. Computer forensics are not easy you know.

[The Black Forrest]

Finally saw the bit on Trump talking about knowing hacking and it's hard to prove. Should somebody talk about computer forensics or would that make his eyes roll up into his skull?

Actually Trump would be right that it is hard to prove.
Hard to prove does not mean impossible to prove though. Computer forensics are not easy you know.

Indeed. But, I am taking Trump means it's almost impossible.

What is interesting is who the media and people are leaving out that much of problems of cyber security is the fault of business. It's an expense after all. Sure there is an uptick now because of incidents but if they follow tradition, they will be reducing budgets again once it dies down.

[Lady Scylla]

They were limited by that until the recent budget plan. NASA is under government overwatch. NASA wanted to leave the ISS so they could prepare missions of establishing a permanent base on the moon. The government stepped in and said "Nope, you're going to Mars". After the scrap of the shuttle, and their budget constrictions, NASA was having to pay millions in hitching rides off potentially dangerous Russian rockets, they were not allowed to do much with private companies like SpaceX. Their budget plan from Dec 2016 has fixed that, allowing them to contract out private companies for launch vehicles, sites, personnel and other needed services to help them a) get to Mars by 2025 and b) Stop using Russian crap.

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

I agree -- I personally want a lunar base.

[Lady Scylla]

Finally saw the bit on Trump talking about knowing hacking and it's hard to prove. Should somebody talk about computer forensics or would that make his eyes roll up into his skull?

I tried to explain that here with another poster sometime ago. It went in one ear, and out the other.

[Farnhamia]

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

I agree -- I personally want a lunar base.

To quote Ralph Kramden, "Bang! Zoom! You're goin' to the Moon!"

[Lady Scylla]

Finally saw the bit on Trump talking about knowing hacking and it's hard to prove. Should somebody talk about computer forensics or would that make his eyes roll up into his skull?

Actually Trump would be right that it is hard to prove.
Hard to prove does not mean impossible to prove though. Computer forensics are not easy you know.

Computers really aren't that difficult to understand. They're not a magic box where input equals output and everything in the middle is just a bunch of jelly. They're very logical, with very logical processes.

[Lady Scylla]

I agree -- I personally want a lunar base.

To quote Ralph Kramden, "Bang! Zoom! You're goin' to the Moon!"

I love you just for that reference.

[Gauthier]

I always get annoyed by the people clamoring for a Mars base by the 2020s. Not saying you're one of them, but a Moon base would be so much more realistic and profitable to focus on than visiting Mars. Sadly everyone has a hard-on for that iron oxide planet because rather irresponsible people have been making impossible promises.

At least people are getting excited about space again, I guess. That's the only upside of this Mars bs.

I agree -- I personally want a lunar base.

With...a laaaaaaaaaser.

[Lady Scylla]

I agree -- I personally want a lunar base.

With...a laaaaaaaaaser.

"That's no moon!"