Fear of nuclear war

[Minoa]

repeat of the Holocaust

Why is the entire right wing always compared to straight up Nazism? You do realise American conservatism is pretty far away from genociding an entire ethnic group, yes?
Do you make the same comparisons to Right-Leaning Liberals?

From my perspective, the "populist right" that I referred to does not include the established centre right (like the Conservatives). I am talking about the likes of Golden Dawn and Anti-Islamist movements: the problem is that the BBC (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38253122) often refers to the Dutch Freedom Party (PVV) as right-wing and Geert Wilders as populist. Unless we have solid action against racial hatred, it can get very sour quickly.

I am with you on the concerns, plus I also worry about the rise of racism and even the repeat of the Holocaust or Rwanda in 1994 as a result of the shift in some countries to right-wing populism.

Being a person in poor health, it is also hard (albeit not impossible with the right support and assurance) to avoid being taken in by a mountain of conspiracy theories that predict things like "false flag" attacks, wealth confiscation (with proponents such as MoneyWeek likely more determined as a result of recent events like this and this (both from good ol’ Reuters)) and a raft of secret societies doing things.

Yeah no, Trump is not "literally Hitler"

Of course, Trump is not "literally Hitler" (and I do not think the OP was making such a comparison directly), but his views (such as his call for a "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States", according to Reuters in 2015) are worrisome enough to err on the side of caution and broaden the call for better action to improve inter-ethnic relations. As I said, unless we have solid action against racial hatred, it can get very sour quickly.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war. it just won't happen, because it would end the word... and nobody wants that... i'd worry more about Iran and Israel than the U.S. and Russia... Iran and Israel is religious, and religion kills common sense

A religion-Driven state tends to have the "We're not afraid to die" rhetoric installed in the military and general populace.
The worst people you want handling devastating weapons of mass destruction are religious wackos who aren't afraid of the world-ending consequences.

Sort of like how we thought funding the Israelis was a good idea and then they turned around and directly threatened Nixon with a nuclear attack on the United States if we didn't aid them in the Yom Kippur war.

[Dilordaopia]

China is strong socialist power, will not bow before imperialist criminal Trump. The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

hahahahaha

no

[Frank Zipper]

Because it would annoy the Russians after they fixed the election to get him elected?

If Hillary won and we accused her of the same thing you would be having the same reaction as we are to your accusations.
"MUH RUSHIANZ"

Do you find the people who invented pizzagate more credible than the CIA?

[Dilordaopia]

If Hillary won and we accused her of the same thing you would be having the same reaction as we are to your accusations.
"MUH RUSHIANZ"

Do you find the people who invented pizzagate more credible than the CIA?

Yes.
The CIA is not trustworthy.

[Svertopia]

Jesus Christ, why did I get over 50 replies in a few hours?

[Frank Zipper]

Do you find the people who invented pizzagate more credible than the CIA?

Yes.
The CIA is not trustworthy.

I rest my case.

[Svertopia]

Nuclear war is not something I though Id ever have to fear. Trump is far more likely to start a nuclear war then Clinton ever would. I never heard a candidate talk causally about using nuclear weapons, Its one of the reason he should be barred from taking office. If there ever was a nuclear war my city would almost certainly be vaporized.

We shall see.

[Imperializt Russia]

Do you find the people who invented pizzagate more credible than the CIA?

Yes.
The CIA is not trustworthy.

The CIA is not trustworthy. Fair enough.

Would you like to clarify you apparently saying you trust people who invented pizzagate more?

[Sunstruck]

Anyone given thought that maybe that Stalinist nation is trolling?
People, please.

[Vassenor]

Anyone given thought that maybe that Stalinist nation is trolling?
People, please.

Trollnaming is against the rules. Just sayin'.

[Gages Icelandic Army]

There won't be a nuclear war.

"Stable" countries (American countries, European countries, most Asian countries, Australia, etc) won't nuke because...
Optimist: Most people care for human life in countries. other than their own.
Pessimist: It's a waste of money.
Realist: We ourselves have a fear of nuclear war and the retaliation that would undoubtedly unfold.

"Unstable" countries (Middle Eastern countries, African Countries, North Korea, etc) won't nuke because...
Middle East: Establishing an Islamic global caliphate is much more difficult when the globe is uninhabitable.
Africa: The only real threat for us in Africa is radical Islam spreading. And THEY won't nuke for the above reason.
North Korea: They want respect. It's hard to get respect when you're a crater. Which is what they'd be if they launched one at a nation. Whatever nukes they can come up with pale in comparison to retaliation they'd get from nations like America.

Although I'm open to the idea I'm wrong.

[Imperializt Russia]

There won't be a nuclear war.

"Stable" countries (American countries, European countries, most Asian countries, Australia, etc) won't nuke because...
Optimist: Most people care for human life in countries. other than their own.
Pessimist: It's a waste of money.
Realist: We ourselves have a fear of nuclear war and the retaliation that would undoubtedly unfold.

"Unstable" countries (Middle Eastern countries, African Countries, North Korea, etc) won't nuke because...
Middle East: Establishing an Islamic global caliphate is much more difficult when the globe is uninhabitable.
Africa: The only real threat for us in Africa is radical Islam spreading. And THEY won't nuke for the above reason.
North Korea: They want respect. It's hard to get respect when you're a crater. Which is what they'd be if they launched one at a nation. Whatever nukes they can come up with pale in comparison to retaliation they'd get from nations like America.

Although I'm open to the idea I'm wrong.

Nearly all of it's wrong, so I'm glad.

[Gages Icelandic Army]

There won't be a nuclear war.

"Stable" countries (American countries, European countries, most Asian countries, Australia, etc) won't nuke because...
Optimist: Most people care for human life in countries. other than their own.
Pessimist: It's a waste of money.
Realist: We ourselves have a fear of nuclear war and the retaliation that would undoubtedly unfold.

"Unstable" countries (Middle Eastern countries, African Countries, North Korea, etc) won't nuke because...
Middle East: Establishing an Islamic global caliphate is much more difficult when the globe is uninhabitable.
Africa: The only real threat for us in Africa is radical Islam spreading. And THEY won't nuke for the above reason.
North Korea: They want respect. It's hard to get respect when you're a crater. Which is what they'd be if they launched one at a nation. Whatever nukes they can come up with pale in comparison to retaliation they'd get from nations like America.

Although I'm open to the idea I'm wrong.

Nearly all of it's wrong, so I'm glad.

........ could you go into detail?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Yes, Russia will be nice enough to nuke us after Christmas.

Sounds like a lack of belief in victory to me

Victory is useless when you're dead.

[Alvecia]

Sounds like a lack of belief in victory to me

Victory is useless when you're dead.

Reminds me of a joke of sorts I heard recently.
"The epitaph on America's headstone will read 'At least the other guy lost too'".

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Victory is useless when you're dead.

Reminds me of a joke of sorts I heard recently.
"The epitaph on America's headstone will read 'At least the other guy lost too'".

[Galloism]

It didn't happen during the Cold War, it won't happen now.

This is just lazy thinking.

It's true that nuclear war is unlikely, but do you know how close we came to nuclear war during the cold war?

I'll tell you how close, because I watched Oliver Stone's untold history of the United States and I now know. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, a russian submarine captain almost started a nuclear exchange thanks to confusion and a breakdown in communications. He was about ready to fire nuclear missiles until the Political Officer talked him into waiting to get the communications fixed for confirmation. Procedure said to fire the missiles in this circumstance.

The only thing that prevented nuclear war was a communist political officer exercising restraint in defiance of regulations.

[Imperializt Russia]

Nearly all of it's wrong, so I'm glad.

........ could you go into detail?

The most egregious is the assertion that "The Middle East" = "IS".

[Novus America]

It didn't happen during the Cold War, it won't happen now.

This is just lazy thinking.

It's true that nuclear war is unlikely, but do you know how close we came to nuclear war during the cold war?

I'll tell you how close, because I watched Oliver Stone's untold history of the United States and I now know. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, a russian submarine captain almost started a nuclear exchange thanks to confusion and a breakdown in communications. He was about ready to fire nuclear missiles until the Political Officer talked him into waiting to get the communications fixed for confirmation. Procedure said to fire the missiles in this circumstance.

The only thing that prevented nuclear war was a communist political officer exercising restraint in defiance of regulations.

The Cuban Missile Crisis is misunderstood.

"the Russians were so thoroughly stood down, and we knew it. They didn't make any move. They did not increase their alert; they did not increase any flights, or their air defense posture. They didn't do a thing, they froze in place. We were never further from nuclear war than at the time of Cuba, never further."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

I trust someone who was there over Oliver Stone. The Soviets were just bluffing. And were hopeless out gunned in nuclear weapons. So it would not have been a nuclear war as dipcted, but a one sided massacre.
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As far as the submarine incident goes.
"In Aleksandr Mozgovoy's 2002 book, Kubinskaya Samba Kvarteta Fokstrotov (Cuban Samba of the Foxtrot Quartet), retired Commander Vadim Pavlovich Orlov, a participant in the events, presents them less dramatically, saying that Captain Savitsky lost his temper but eventually calmed down.[12]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov
That is highly disputed, and had the submarine fired, other Soviet units were not in position too. Also procedure said to fire only if the hull was penetrated, which it never was, so under procedure the should NOT have fired. The incident seems grossly exaggerated.

[Novus America]

A religion-Driven state tends to have the "We're not afraid to die" rhetoric installed in the military and general populace.
The worst people you want handling devastating weapons of mass destruction are religious wackos who aren't afraid of the world-ending consequences.

Sort of like how we thought funding the Israelis was a good idea and then they turned around and directly threatened Nixon with a nuclear attack on the United States if we didn't aid them in the Yom Kippur war.

Umm, not really. Israel did mention that it would use nuclear weapons rather than be destroyed. But use them on Egypt and Syria as a last resort, if the could not defend themselves conventionally. Which is fair, Israel would absolutely be expected to use nuclear weapons as a last resort. That is the VERY REASON the have them.
Any other country with nukes, including nuclear he US would have done the same.

The NEVER directly threatened to attack the US, which would have made no sense whatsoever.

[Constantinopolis]

didn't happen in the cold war, won't happen now

^ This.

International tensions were far, FAR higher in the past, and that didn't lead to nuclear war. Why would we get a nuclear war now, when the situation is, comparatively, far less tense?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

didn't happen in the cold war, won't happen now

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You do realises we were super close to it during that time.

[Alvecia]

didn't happen in the cold war, won't happen now

^ This.

International tensions were far, FAR higher in the past, and that didn't lead to nuclear war. Why would we get a nuclear war now, when the situation is, comparatively, far less tense?

Eh, not the best comparison. Kind of assumes things are just going to stay as they are. We've got at least 4 more years for things to get more tense.

[Uxupox]

didn't happen in the cold war, won't happen now

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You do realises we were super close to it during that time.

Didn't happen with the hardliners in both sides urging on, not gonna happen now.