Fear of nuclear war

[Taviana SSR]

China is strong socialist power, will not bow before imperialist criminal Trump. The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

[Imperializt Russia]

Depends on how far China is willing to go over Taiwan. If we legitimize the RoC, there's a high degree of probability the PRC may attempt to take Taiwan by force. There's also a high likelihood China's already moving ballistic missiles towards the eastern and southern coastlines after Trump's statements (which were much needed, China needs to be rattled every now and again). The PRC won't tolerate a legitimized Taiwan, saying before that using military force isn't quite off the table.

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan could thrust the US and NATO (at least bits of it) into a skirmish (or full blown war) in the Pacific. This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict. It's uncharted territory for sure at that point, and at this point, is probably the most "realistic" scenario involving the use of nuclear weapons.

Of course, none of thus could happen as well.

Yeah nah. I feel pretty confident in saying that.

If China took Taiwan while the one-China policy was still being pushed, then maybe nothing would happen. Now?
I don't think it'll happen.

[Dilordaopia]

What i meant was: If Hillary won we would say that it was set up, but you would make fun of us. Just like we make fun of you.

There's literally no reason for the Russians to manipulate Hillary into office.
They'd gain nothing from that. It would not be plausible.

"Your side" proclaimed for weeks if not months that it was fixed against Trump, that the system was rigged that there should be protests about the inevitable rigging.
Then Trump wins and now allegations of vote rigging are dumb and laughable.

Err, no, mate.

>Implying it has to be Russians who hack

There are hackers everywhere, even in Saudi Arabia, Mali, Pakistan and Burkina Faso m8

[Ardavia]

This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

[Vektes]

This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict. It's uncharted territory for sure at that point, and at this point, is probably the most "realistic" scenario involving the use of nuclear weapons.

Not entirely true.

The Indians and the Pakistanis, both recognized nuclear states at the time and currently, have sparred with a passion on numerous occasions, without the situation degenerating into a nuclear exchange.

[Imperializt Russia]

There's literally no reason for the Russians to manipulate Hillary into office.
They'd gain nothing from that. It would not be plausible.

"Your side" proclaimed for weeks if not months that it was fixed against Trump, that the system was rigged that there should be protests about the inevitable rigging.
Then Trump wins and now allegations of vote rigging are dumb and laughable.

Err, no, mate.

>Implying it has to be Russians who hack

There are hackers everywhere, even in Saudi Arabia, Mali, Pakistan and Burkina Faso m8

There are hackers everywhere. Most of them aren't backed by their state or their state's intelligence services, and even then, most of them aren't relevant.

Russians are

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

>Has a quote of Stalin out of context crammed into their Signature
>For and Against reads "For: Josef Stalin"

Do you legitimately think anyone here is going to take your viewpoint seriously in the slightest?

[Dilordaopia]

China is strong socialist power, will not bow before imperialist criminal Trump. The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

You've gotta be the biggest comedian ever.

[Imperializt Russia]

This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

It is not known if Pakistan had actual nuclear capability by 1999, and it was a border skirmish. A designed border skirmish, that forced Pakistan to cede territory, but a border skirmish nonetheless.

[Taviana SSR]

The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

>Has a quote of Stalin out of context crammed into their Signature
>For and Against reads "For: Josef Stalin"

Do you legitimately think anyone here is going to take your viewpoint seriously in the slightest?

The glorious Red Army and the heroic people of the Soviet Union, under the brilliant leadership of great comrade Stalin, have brought the hordes of Hitler to their knees. Under the blows of the Red Army and the partisans and volunteers of enslaved Europe, the downfall of fascism and the liberation of the peoples was accomplished. Stalin started with a country of analphabet farmers and when he died, left it with nuclear weapons and cosmonauts. Of course, people who believe in fascist propaganda (851 billion dead, at least) dislike him, as they are still sad that Hitler did not win.

[Asyir]

Depends on how far China is willing to go over Taiwan. If we legitimize the RoC, there's a high degree of probability the PRC may attempt to take Taiwan by force. There's also a high likelihood China's already moving ballistic missiles towards the eastern and southern coastlines after Trump's statements (which were much needed, China needs to be rattled every now and again). The PRC won't tolerate a legitimized Taiwan, saying before that using military force isn't quite off the table.

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan could thrust the US and NATO (at least bits of it) into a skirmish (or full blown war) in the Pacific. This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict. It's uncharted territory for sure at that point, and at this point, is probably the most "realistic" scenario involving the use of nuclear weapons.

Of course, none of thus could happen as well.

Yeah nah. I feel pretty confident in saying that.

If China took Taiwan while the one-China policy was still being pushed, then maybe nothing would happen. Now?
I don't think it'll happen.

That depends how far Trump is willing to go with the One-China policy. If he denounces the mainland, I think there's a good chance of it. Maybe not immediately after, but decades from now?

China's only going to continue to express and commit to it's expansionist policies in Asia. It's in small, sometimes subtle ways now, but if left completely unchecked, could lead to the drastic invasion of Taiwan.

In any case, I'll concede the likelihood is low.

[Imperializt Russia]

America just quietly backs Taiwan. As Trump pointed out, the US floods billions of dollars of US-made equipment into Taiwan's military.

Trump might openly back Taiwan. That would be unprecedented and put the feasibility of US intervention front and centre.
China, despite overwhelming military superiority, even over the US in the region (and partly due to woeful amphibious capability), has been scared of Taiwan because of what America hasn't said.

Trump has said it now.
So they won't declare war, they'll probably just be super aggressive and a big meanie in the shipping lanes, knowing they can't do anything more.

[Yugoslav Memes]

China is strong socialist power, will not bow before imperialist criminal Trump. The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

hahahahaha

no

[Uxupox]

China is strong socialist power, will not bow before imperialist criminal Trump. The spirit of Mao lives on in the PLA and they will crush any US expansion into Asia and of their ROC puppet will annex them.

Chinese military abilities particularly their navy are trash.

[Kinubanza]

>Has a quote of Stalin out of context crammed into their Signature
>For and Against reads "For: Josef Stalin"

Do you legitimately think anyone here is going to take your viewpoint seriously in the slightest?

The glorious Red Army and the heroic people of the Soviet Union, under the brilliant leadership of great comrade Stalin, have brought the hordes of Hitler to their knees. Under the blows of the Red Army and the partisans and volunteers of enslaved Europe, the downfall of fascism and the liberation of the peoples was accomplished. Stalin started with a country of analphabet farmers and when he died, left it with nuclear weapons and cosmonauts. Of course, people who believe in fascist propaganda (851 billion dead, at least) dislike him, as they are still sad that Hitler did not win.

Ahh yes, comrade. The fascist totalitarian regime terrorising Europe, defeated by... another fascist totalitarian regime that terrorised Europe. Such liberation.

[Constantine Lambros]

(851 billion dead, at least)

Snips mine.

Well, I'm surprised that there have been at least 8 times as many fascists as humans in the whole of world history.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

The glorious Red Army and the heroic people of the Soviet Union, under the brilliant leadership of great comrade Stalin, have brought the hordes of Hitler to their knees. Under the blows of the Red Army and the partisans and volunteers of enslaved Europe, the downfall of fascism and the liberation of the peoples was accomplished. Stalin started with a country of analphabet farmers and when he died, left it with nuclear weapons and cosmonauts. Of course, people who believe in fascist propaganda (851 billion dead, at least) dislike him, as they are still sad that Hitler did not win.

Buddy, you make me ashamed to call myself a commie.
Are you really gonna pull the "Propaganda" Argument after what you just typed before it?

Yeah, it's only propaganda when the fascists do it, amirite?

The Soviet War Machine needed constant lend leases from the American forces in order to actually stay afloat. Basic things like boots, shovels, and infantry equipment was entirely nonexistant, as the Soviet Military was a good 30 years behind modern Technology.

Although, You are right about the farmers to nukes thing. Stalin was notably gifted in industrially moving Russia to modern tech, but at what cost, really? Constant purges, paranoia, and political silencing (not to mention those gulags) were put to use substantially in order to achieve such an Industrial giant.

And, uh, One more thing... It's estimated around 107 billion people have ever lived (Live and Dead). Not sure how you managed 851 Billion. If you were going for million, the deaths caused by actual fascism (Not ideologies you simply disagree with that happen to be on the right wing, I'm talking actual Fascism, Nationalist Socialism, Militarized Extremism.) has killed around 80 million people in all.

To be quite honest with you?
Germany was an oppressive totalitarian regime that threw people they didn't agree with (and ethnic minorities) into concentration camps.
The USSR was also an oppressive totalitarian regime that threw people they didn't agree with (and ethnic minorities) into concentration camps.

It's only bad when "Muh Fascists" do it, tho, so you're good.

[Flarone]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war. it just won't happen, because it would end the word... and nobody wants that... i'd worry more about Iran and Israel than the U.S. and Russia... Iran and Israel is religious, and religion kills common sense

[Asyir]

This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

A border skirmish. Plus, Pakistan didn't gave full nuclear capability before 1998.This page says their first test was in 1998

This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict. It's uncharted territory for sure at that point, and at this point, is probably the most "realistic" scenario involving the use of nuclear weapons.

Not entirely true.

The Indians and the Pakistanis, both recognized nuclear states at the time and currently, have sparred with a passion on numerous occasions, without the situation degenerating into a nuclear exchange.

Again, it's mere border disputes and light skirmishes. It's unlikely to result in a nuclear exchange unless those skirmishes lead to another full blown Indo-Pakistan War.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war. it just won't happen, because it would end the word... and nobody wants that... i'd worry more about Iran and Israel than the U.S. and Russia... Iran and Israel is religious, and religion kills common sense

A religion-Driven state tends to have the "We're not afraid to die" rhetoric installed in the military and general populace.
The worst people you want handling devastating weapons of mass destruction are religious wackos who aren't afraid of the world-ending consequences.

[Lautrec-]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war. it just won't happen, because it would end the word... and nobody wants that... i'd worry more about Iran and Israel than the U.S. and Russia... Iran and Israel is religious, and religion kills common sense

Iran & Israel is like saying US & Russia but indirectly. Still not going to happen

[Vektes]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

A border skirmish. Plus, Pakistan didn't gave full nuclear capability before 1998.This page says their first test was in 1998

Not entirely true.

The Indians and the Pakistanis, both recognized nuclear states at the time and currently, have sparred with a passion on numerous occasions, without the situation degenerating into a nuclear exchange.

Again, it's mere border disputes and light skirmishes. It's unlikely to result in a nuclear exchange unless those skirmishes lead to another full blown Indo-Pakistan War.

Ever had the thought that maybe it was the fact that they had, or were under suspicion of having operational Nuclear Weaponry which prevented these skirmishes from escalating to another full-blown war?

[Kinubanza]

The glorious Red Army and the heroic people of the Soviet Union, under the brilliant leadership of great comrade Stalin, have brought the hordes of Hitler to their knees. Under the blows of the Red Army and the partisans and volunteers of enslaved Europe, the downfall of fascism and the liberation of the peoples was accomplished. Stalin started with a country of analphabet farmers and when he died, left it with nuclear weapons and cosmonauts. Of course, people who believe in fascist propaganda (851 billion dead, at least) dislike him, as they are still sad that Hitler did not win.

Buddy, you make me ashamed to call myself a commie.
Are you really gonna pull the "Propaganda" Argument after what you just typed before it?

Yeah, it's only propaganda when the fascists do it, amirite?

The Soviet War Machine needed constant lend leases from the American forces in order to actually stay afloat. Basic things like boots, shovels, and infantry equipment was entirely nonexistant, as the Soviet Military was a good 30 years behind modern Technology.

Although, You are right about the farmers to nukes thing. Stalin was notably gifted in industrially moving Russia to modern tech, but at what cost, really? Constant purges, paranoia, and political silencing (not to mention those gulags) were put to use substantially in order to achieve such an Industrial giant.

And, uh, One more thing... It's estimated around 107 billion people have ever lived (Live and Dead). Not sure how you managed 851 Billion. If you were going for million, the deaths caused by actual fascism (Not ideologies you simply disagree with that happen to be on the right wing, I'm talking actual Fascism, Nationalist Socialism, Militarized Extremism.) has killed around 80 million people in all.

To be quite honest with you?
Germany was an oppressive totalitarian regime that threw people they didn't agree with (and ethnic minorities) into concentration camps.
The USSR was also an oppressive totalitarian regime that threw people they didn't agree with (and ethnic minorities) into concentration camps.

It's only bad when "Muh Fascists" do it, tho, so you're good.

Big hairy Marxist demolishes Stalinist twink

[San Lumen]

Nuclear war is not something I though Id ever have to fear. Trump is far more likely to start a nuclear war then Clinton ever would. I never heard a candidate talk causally about using nuclear weapons, Its one of the reason he should be barred from taking office. If there ever was a nuclear war my city would almost certainly be vaporized.

[Asyir]

A border skirmish. Plus, Pakistan didn't gave full nuclear capability before 1998.This page says their first test was in 1998
Again, it's mere border disputes and light skirmishes. It's unlikely to result in a nuclear exchange unless those skirmishes lead to another full blown Indo-Pakistan War.

Ever had the thought that maybe it was the fact that they had, or were under suspicion of having operational Nuclear Weaponry which prevented these skirmishes from escalating to another full-blown war?

Possibly. Pakistan probably had full nuclear capability in '99, or was very close to achieving that. I'm not arguing a nuclear weapons ability to deter conflict.