Religion and LGBT Issues

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's a bar for gay people to meet, how the hell is it not going to "promote" homosexual activity? It's like saying you support Churches as long as they don't "promote" Christian activity.

Homosexuals should be able to meet and socialize with others of their kind. I just don't think they should be able to promote themselves as a place for sexual encounters.

If they can meet and socialize with "others of their kind" there's obviously going to be sexual encounters that arise from such opportunities. You can't have it both ways.

[Neutraligon]

Which mans you could be obeying Satan and your condemnation is actually sending you to hell. You have faith in your church the same way Catholic have faith in theirs, etc. Basically you are being gullible.

Pride parades are to state that there is no reason to be ashamed, it is not solely to flaunt. So I assume you would shut down all bars, since bars are used by people to meet; gay bars are just places where homosexuals can meet others. THat didn't work last time this was tried.

You could say that anyone who believes anything is gullible by that logic.

Not if they believe it tentatively, and only with evidence. You have said you do so based on faith, which is belief without evidence.

I would support bars that did not comply with certain rules. Gay bars that do not promote homosexual activity, but simply community, could be allowed.

Since bars do not promote anything beyond drinking and maybe eating per say that would make them all legal.

[Neutraligon]

No, it could be god correcting fallible humans who made a mistake on what he wanted. Oh and...god has done so before.

I don't see how such a mistake could persist for 2,000 years in the Church Christ said is administrated and guarded by the Spirit of Truth.

That is a claim the church makes, that claim could be coming from Satan. Do't forget Jews still believe they are the followers of god and that the followers of Jesus are all following a false prophet. God has allowed false churches to continue teaching in the past. He has allowed evil in the past.

[Venerable Bede]

I don't see how such a mistake could persist for 2,000 years in the Church Christ said is administrated and guarded by the Spirit of Truth.

That is a claim the church makes, that claim could be coming from Satan. Do't forget Jews still believe they are the followers of god and that the followers of Jesus are all following a false prophet. God has allowed false churches to continue teaching in the past. He has allowed evil in the past.

You're suggesting the Gospel writers were inspired by Satan?

[Lady Scylla]

In which case you would be resistant to changes or corrections even if it is coming from god himself should god be speaking through a priest.

You mean if God gave us a new covenant? Because otherwise a "correction" would suggest God is repairing his own mistake.

I like the idea of God being able to make mistakes.

[Neutraligon]

That is a claim the church makes, that claim could be coming from Satan. Do't forget Jews still believe they are the followers of god and that the followers of Jesus are all following a false prophet. God has allowed false churches to continue teaching in the past. He has allowed evil in the past.

You're suggesting the Gospel writers were inspired by Satan?

Why not, the writers are still human and susceptible to mistake, deception, lies and things every other human is susceptible to.

[Venerable Bede]

You mean if God gave us a new covenant? Because otherwise a "correction" would suggest God is repairing his own mistake.

I like the idea of God being able to make mistakes.

Well, yes, so does the Devil.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is a claim the church makes, that claim could be coming from Satan. Do't forget Jews still believe they are the followers of god and that the followers of Jesus are all following a false prophet. God has allowed false churches to continue teaching in the past. He has allowed evil in the past.

You're suggesting the Gospel writers were inspired by Satan?

It's very well possible. Maybe the Jews have it right and you're following a false prophet.

[Lady Scylla]

I like the idea of God being able to make mistakes.

Well, yes, so does the Devil.

Depends on how you view the Devil, and whether you believe in him and all that nonsense anyway.

[Neutraligon]

You mean if God gave us a new covenant? Because otherwise a "correction" would suggest God is repairing his own mistake.

I like the idea of God being able to make mistakes.

He can lose at wrestling, at one point he could be convinced to change his mind, he allowed the snake into the garden. Seems to me the bible is a list of his failings.

[Lady Scylla]

You're suggesting the Gospel writers were inspired by Satan?

It's very well possible. Maybe the Jews have it right and you're following a false prophet.

And Muslims believe Jesus wasn't a false prophet, but the Bible has been corrupted.

[Lady Scylla]

I like the idea of God being able to make mistakes.

He can lose at wrestling, at one point he could be convinced to change his mind, he allowed the snake into the garden. Seems to me the bible is a list of his failings.

It would make it much easier to accept God if he was shown to be fallible. Without such, he's just alien to humanity, and really undeserving of our understanding.

[United Marxist Nations]

You mean if God gave us a new covenant? Because otherwise a "correction" would suggest God is repairing his own mistake.

I like the idea of God being able to make mistakes.

That forum avatar though

[Neutraligon]

You're suggesting the Gospel writers were inspired by Satan?

It's very well possible. Maybe the Jews have it right and you're following a false prophet.

Given that there is a prophecy supposedly by Jesus (the one about this generation not passing) that failed to happen, I would claim they have evidence of such

[United Marxist Nations]

It's very well possible. Maybe the Jews have it right and you're following a false prophet.

Given that there is a prophecy supposedly by Jesus (the one about this generation not passing) that failed to happen, I would claim they have evidence of such

Which prophecy is this?

[Neutraligon]

He can lose at wrestling, at one point he could be convinced to change his mind, he allowed the snake into the garden. Seems to me the bible is a list of his failings.

It would make it much easier to accept God if he was shown to be fallible. Without such, he's just alien to humanity, and really undeserving of our understanding.

God being fallible or not all powerful gets rid of a lot of the arguments people make. A god that is not all powerful may not be able to do something about the evil in the world (although I would claim that a god who can create a universe should be able to do more then what is currently being done assuming it exists). A fallible god could make mistakes that continues to allow evil to exist.

[Venerable Bede]

You're suggesting the Gospel writers were inspired by Satan?

Why not, the writers are still human and susceptible to mistake, deception, lies and things every other human is susceptible to.

And so God let Satan take over and the true faith completely disappeared for 2,000 years?

[United Marxist Nations]

He can lose at wrestling, at one point he could be convinced to change his mind, he allowed the snake into the garden. Seems to me the bible is a list of his failings.

It would make it much easier to accept God if he was shown to be fallible. Without such, he's just alien to humanity, and really undeserving of our understanding.

God isn't supposed to be understood. I believe it was John Chrysostom that said that, if we could comprehend God, He wouldn't be worthy of our worship.

[Lady Scylla]

Why not, the writers are still human and susceptible to mistake, deception, lies and things every other human is susceptible to.

And so God let Satan take over and the true faith completely disappeared for 2,000 years?

Seems so. You've been led astray, and never caught it. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Neutraligon]

Given that there is a prophecy supposedly by Jesus (the one about this generation not passing) that failed to happen, I would claim they have evidence of such

Which prophecy is this?

I believe one example of this is Mathew 24:34, Luke 21:32 and other similar counterparts. Now of course this could be interpreted differently, but then you are basing it on fallible human interpretation.

[Neutraligon]

Why not, the writers are still human and susceptible to mistake, deception, lies and things every other human is susceptible to.

And so God let Satan take over and the true faith completely disappeared for 2,000 years?

This has happened in the past, after all how long was it between the time of Noah and the time of Jesus? god has repeatedly allowed people to sin only to punish them much later. Or maybe, the true faith is still being practiced, but not by you.

See this is the problem with apostolic succession, or any system that is dependent on humans telling what god is saying. It depends on people not being mistaken, not falling to temptation, not simply being greedy etc. Hell, even if I directly experienced god, I could still not be certain that what I experienced is something I understood correctly.

[Venerable Bede]

It would make it much easier to accept God if he was shown to be fallible. Without such, he's just alien to humanity, and really undeserving of our understanding.

God being fallible or not all powerful gets rid of a lot of the arguments people make. A god that is not all powerful may not be able to do something about the evil in the world (although I would claim that a god who can create a universe should be able to do more then what is currently being done assuming it exists). A fallible god could make mistakes that continues to allow evil to exist.

A fallible god would not be God by the Judeo-Christian definition (well, maybe by the Jewish one, since they say rabbis can correct God), he'd only be a god in the pagan sense (any supernatural being).

[The United Colonies of Earth]

And so God let Satan take over and the true faith completely disappeared for 2,000 years?

This has happened in the past, after all how long was it between the time of Noah and the time of Jesus? god has repeatedly allowed people to sin only to punish them much later. Or maybe, the true faith is still being practiced, but not by you.

Rastafari.

[United Marxist Nations]

Which prophecy is this?

I believe one example of this is Mathew 24:34, Luke 21:32 and other similar counterparts. Now of course this could be interpreted differently, but then you are basing it on fallible human interpretation.

It's not fallible human interpretation, it's what Jesus told the Apostles, and was clear to them. Christ is referring to the destruction of the Temple.

[Venerable Bede]

And so God let Satan take over and the true faith completely disappeared for 2,000 years?

This has happened in the past, after all how long was it between the time of Noah and the time of Jesus? god has repeatedly allowed people to sin only to punish them much later. Or maybe, the true faith is still being practiced, but not by you.

God's faith still existed then. The Noahide Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant. You're making the mistake of presuming that we see modern Judaism as an ontological continuation of the Mosaic Covenant; we don't, we see it as a continuation of Pharisaic Judaism, which is a deviation.