Religion and LGBT Issues

[United Marxist Nations]

What you want doesn't matter, that's just selfishness and egocentrism. What matters is purpose.

What one wants can give one purpose.

I don't agree.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What one wants can give one purpose.

I don't agree.

How so? If one wants something, they will work to achieve it, that is a purpose.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Because at the point the pot can suffer (this sentence is getting weirder than I would like it to be); it can feel pain and pleasure, and I know what those things are (this is a thing called "empathy" btw), and I don't want to make someone suffer if I can at all help it. Even if they are made of clay.

What you want doesn't matter, that's just selfishness and egocentrism. What matters is purpose.

'kay.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Noice. Have fun!

I figure something productive needs to come out of this.

Thanks a million!

No problem!

[United Marxist Nations]

I don't agree.

How so? If one wants something, they will work to achieve it, that is a purpose.

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

[Lost Memories]

How so? If one wants something, they will work to achieve it, that is a purpose.

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

What Felrik called 'purpose' would qualify as a 'goal' for you?

[United Marxist Nations]

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

What Felrik called 'purpose' would qualify as a 'goal' for you?

Yes, but the two are not the same.

[Seperates]

How so? If one wants something, they will work to achieve it, that is a purpose.

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

Aw yeah... mom and dad having at it. Bow-chicka-wow-wow.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

How so? If one wants something, they will work to achieve it, that is a purpose.

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

How can we tell what that purpose is? We don't know what we were created for. As far as we know, Humanity is without purpose. Therefore why not create our own? Why follow the purpose presented by a religion, which worships a God that may or may not exist.

[Neutraligon]

If only he were in some way empowered to stop people going to hell...

Oh well. Can't be helped, I guess.

That's on you if you want to keep from going to Hell. I hate to sound blunt, but God doesn't pick you up like an arcade machine and drop you into the slot labeled 'Hell'. You make choices based on where you want to go. That's all on you, bud.

Ok I decided I don't want to go to hell. Now, what does god do?

[The New Sea Territory]

How so? If one wants something, they will work to achieve it, that is a purpose.

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

If a purpose exists, it is not intrinsically good. I doubt you'll argue that sex toys being used for their intended purpose is a moral good.

You yourself said that sentience doesn't matter (sentience of a pot doesn't make the pottery any less dependent on its maker's purpose), so the purpose of sex toys and the purpose of humans are equatable, by your logic...so don't try to sneak out of my counter-argument.

[United Marxist Nations]

I don't agree that that is a purpose. A purpose is the reason that something exists. We exist to do certain things; to go against those, is just the wrong thing to do.

If a purpose exists, it is not intrinsically good. I doubt you'll argue that sex toys being used for their intended purpose is a moral good.

You yourself said that sentience doesn't matter (sentience of a pot doesn't make the pottery any less dependent on its maker's purpose), so the purpose of sex toys and the purpose of humans are equatable, by your logic...so don't try to sneak out of my counter-argument.

The purpose of humans is directly counteracted by the use of sex toys.

[Neutraligon]

If a purpose exists, it is not intrinsically good. I doubt you'll argue that sex toys being used for their intended purpose is a moral good.

You yourself said that sentience doesn't matter (sentience of a pot doesn't make the pottery any less dependent on its maker's purpose), so the purpose of sex toys and the purpose of humans are equatable, by your logic...so don't try to sneak out of my counter-argument.

The purpose of humans is directly counteracted by the use of sex toys.

You are using purpose in a way I do not understand. define purpose.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

If a purpose exists, it is not intrinsically good. I doubt you'll argue that sex toys being used for their intended purpose is a moral good.

You yourself said that sentience doesn't matter (sentience of a pot doesn't make the pottery any less dependent on its maker's purpose), so the purpose of sex toys and the purpose of humans are equatable, by your logic...so don't try to sneak out of my counter-argument.

The purpose of humans is directly counteracted by the use of sex toys.

The purpose of humans is not to use sex toys? Or not to make them?
Seems an odd reason to create humans.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The purpose of humans is directly counteracted by the use of sex toys.

You are using purpose in a way I do not understand. define purpose.

Our purpose is to serve God or some such nonsense.

[United Marxist Nations]

The purpose of humans is directly counteracted by the use of sex toys.

You are using purpose in a way I do not understand. define purpose.

Purpose is the reason for which something exists.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

You are using purpose in a way I do not understand. define purpose.

Purpose is the reason for which something exists.

How do we know if the purpose in which you believe is humanity's purpose, is our purpose?

[Herzegovenia]

Homosexuals have a uncurable disorder that should be treated has such.
They shouldnt be allowed to kiss or show affection in public, has that behavior is doing only bad, and they should only be allowed to do so in their house or in consenting bars and partys, whom have to have a warning outside sayng that they let such disgusting behavior occur in their establishment.

[The New Sea Territory]

You are using purpose in a way I do not understand. define purpose.

Purpose is the reason for which something exists.

Then following purpose is not necessary a moral good, as seen by the existence (and purpose) of sex toys.

So I have no moral obligation to follow my purpose if I have one....unless you want to say the purpose of humans is different from that of objects, which would counteract the arguments you made about pottery earlier.

[United Marxist Nations]

Purpose is the reason for which something exists.

How do we know if the purpose in which you believe is humanity's purpose, is our purpose?

We don't. But I feel safer taking a gamble on our purpose than living for nothing.

[Neutraligon]

You are using purpose in a way I do not understand. define purpose.

Purpose is the reason for which something exists.

I which case sex dolls are indeed have a purpose. A person who is born to a slave has the purpose of being a slave. Since god is capable of changing all that, they are thus also created by humans because god has decided not to interfere and thus god also agrees with them having that purpose. God not interfering when he can is just as much acceptance as those who did not interfere with the Germans during the Holocaust. No, it more is more acceptance since god is capable of interfering without any danger to himself.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

How do we know if the purpose in which you believe is humanity's purpose, is our purpose?

We don't. But I feel safer taking a gamble on our purpose than living for nothing.

That brings the question, why should anyone follow the purpose in which Christianity espouses? When it is clear that we do not know of our purpose, nor if we have a purpose.

[Neutraligon]

How do we know if the purpose in which you believe is humanity's purpose, is our purpose?

We don't. But I feel safer taking a gamble on our purpose than living for nothing.

Well first, deciding our own reason for existing is not living for nothing. Second what if your god actually doesn't want you to do what you claim he does. You are then contravening his "purpose."

[United Marxist Nations]

Purpose is the reason for which something exists.

Then following purpose is not necessary a moral good, as seen by the existence (and purpose) of sex toys.

So I have no moral obligation to follow my purpose if I have one....unless you want to say the purpose of humans is different from that of objects, which would counteract the arguments you made about pottery earlier.

I'm not saying it's good because it's good, I'm defining the moral good as purpose.

That is to say, not following your purpose is objectively the wrong way to live your life, and will only lead to bad things down the road.

[Neutraligon]

Homosexuals have a uncurable disorder that should be treated has such.
They shouldnt be allowed to kiss or show affection in public, has that behavior is doing only bad, and they should only be allowed to do so in their house or in consenting bars and partys, whom have to have a warning outside sayng that they let such disgusting behavior occur in their establishment.

Well first it isn't a disorder. Second why should they not be allowed to show affection in public as showing affection harms no one. Why is it bad? Should the same be for heterosexual couples?