Religion and LGBT Issues

[Genivaria]

Well everyone DOES have their own morality and your moral framework doesn't at all prevent that.
Seriously you are trying to point out absurd things and calling them problems and you don't want to admit that they exist regardless.
What's that proverb "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" ?

I don't think everyone has their own morality. I think there is a universal morality, and that those who don't agree with that universal morality are wrong.

Then you are very, very sheltered.

[The East Marches]

Still hasn't addressed my argument. If I can hurt another, get away with it and it does not hurt societal stability, why should I extend the golden rule to them?

Because that harms societal stability. Three thousand years of recorded history show that unrestrained, wanton cruelty does nothing but harm society as a whole.

Your only counter claim to what I said was that it "harms society". Despite the fact that I posited in my scenario that it doesn't, if I can kill you and take all your stuff, ensure your family won't seek revenge and the law will not hold me to account, why should I not do it? What is the erosion suffered? History has shown that waton cruelty works wonders. Ask the Romans about it. It works great.

[Genivaria]

So it would be more accurate to say that it is a universal moral code.
But if you insist on calling it a 'religious' code then I await your conversion to the Ancient Egyptian faith...you know going by your logic.

The Golden Rule originates in religion, it is therefore a religious code that secularists appropriate because they can't think of anything.

An already debunked assertion, do you have anything else.

[Uxupox]

Still hasn't addressed my argument. If I can hurt another, get away with it and it does not hurt societal stability, why should I extend the golden rule to them?

Because -I assume - you aren't a major dick.

That doesn't dissaprove what he says however.

[Southerly Gentleman]

One moment sir.



>Personal feelings determine morality
>Personal feelings do not determine what is true
>By syllogism, morality is not true

No I said personal feelings should not be DISCOUNTED.
Please learn to fucking read if you're going to throw my own words at me.

You're mincing words good sir. the contradiction behind your opinion -- and I cannot stress more that that is what it is, an opinion -- has become evident.

[Genivaria]

Because that harms societal stability. Three thousand years of recorded history show that unrestrained, wanton cruelty does nothing but harm society as a whole.

Your only counter claim to what I said was that it "harms society". Despite the fact that I posited in my scenario that it doesn't, if I can kill you and take all your stuff, ensure your family won't seek revenge and the law will not hold me to account, why should I not do? What is the erosion suffered? History has shown that waton cruelty works wonders. Ask the Romans about it. It works great.

Yes and there's was the most stable of societies wasn't it?

[Dragos-Land]

All LGBT should die.

[Genivaria]

No I said personal feelings should not be DISCOUNTED.
Please learn to fucking read if you're going to throw my own words at me.

You're mincing words good sir. the contradiction behind your opinion -- and I cannot stress more that that is what it is, an opinion -- has become evident.

No I'm not mincing anything I'm just not allowing you to twist my words to suit your agenda.

[The East Marches]

Your only counter claim to what I said was that it "harms society". Despite the fact that I posited in my scenario that it doesn't, if I can kill you and take all your stuff, ensure your family won't seek revenge and the law will not hold me to account, why should I not do? What is the erosion suffered? History has shown that waton cruelty works wonders. Ask the Romans about it. It works great.

Yes and there's was the most stable of societies wasn't it?

It was extremely prosperous and was the greatest Empire known to man. Would you care to answer me or are you just going to be as arbitrary and false as the religious types here?

[United Marxist Nations]

The Golden Rule originates in religion, it is therefore a religious code that secularists appropriate because they can't think of anything.

An already debunked assertion, do you have anything else.

Possibly the earliest affirmation of the maxim of reciprocity, reflecting the ancient Egyptian goddess Ma'at, appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040 – c. 1650 BC): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."[10][11] This proverb embodies the do ut des principle.[12]

Go ahead, debunk this.

[Pasong Tirad]

All LGBT should die.

Care to explain why?

[Genivaria]

Yes and there's was the most stable of societies wasn't it?

It was extremely prosperous and was the greatest Empire known to man. Would you care to answer me or are you just going to be as arbitrary and false as the religious types here?

It was very large and shaky you mean.
I don't see the Romans as an example of a stable society.

I believe I did answer you.

[United Marxist Nations]

-snip-

Care to explain why?

Don't quote the troll, just report and move along.

[Genivaria]

An already debunked assertion, do you have anything else.

Possibly the earliest affirmation of the maxim of reciprocity, reflecting the ancient Egyptian goddess Ma'at, appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040 – c. 1650 BC): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."[10][11] This proverb embodies the do ut des principle.[12]

Go ahead, debunk this.

Debunk what?

[The East Marches]

It was extremely prosperous and was the greatest Empire known to man. Would you care to answer me or are you just going to be as arbitrary and false as the religious types here?

It was very large and shaky you mean.
I don't see the Romans as an example of a stable society.

I believe I did answer you.

No you didn't. You ignored my scenario entirely. If I can kill you and take your stuff without being caught or damaging society, why shouldn't I? What is the reason that I should not do so?

[Pasong Tirad]

Because -I assume - you aren't a major dick.

That doesn't dissaprove what he says however.

Okay I don't understand how the question of "why shouldn't I extend the Golden Rule to them?" isn't answered by "Don't be a major dick?"

[Genivaria]

It was very large and shaky you mean.
I don't see the Romans as an example of a stable society.

I believe I did answer you.

No you didn't. You ignored my scenario entirely. If I can kill you and take your stuff without being caught or damaging society, why shouldn't I? What is the reason that I should not do so?

Because I don't accept your scenario as legitimate.
How exactly would you do this?

[Pasong Tirad]

Care to explain why?

Don't quote the troll, just report and move along.

Oh okay, sorry.

[The East Marches]

No you didn't. You ignored my scenario entirely. If I can kill you and take your stuff without being caught or damaging society, why shouldn't I? What is the reason that I should not do so?

How exactly would you do this?

What is the real world reason that should prevent me from doing so other than "muh feelings"? You are trying to dodge right now. Just answer the question.

[Genivaria]

That doesn't dissaprove what he says however.

Okay I don't understand how the question of "why shouldn't I extend the Golden Rule to them?" isn't answered by "Don't be a major dick?"

If you don't extend the Golden Rule to others than they have no reason to extend it to you.
Mutual Reciprocation.

[United Marxist Nations]

Go ahead, debunk this.

Debunk what?

Well, that proves that it's origin is in a religious text, specifically, the story of The Eloquent Peasant.

[Genivaria]

How exactly would you do this?

What is the real world reason that should prevent me from doing so other than "muh feelings"? You are trying to dodge right now. Just answer the question.

No I'm not fucking dodging. Can you actually validate your scenario by saying how you would do this without harming society?
You say that the law would back you doing this? Are you saying the law is corrupt? Then that harms society.
Are you saying the law is malevolent? Time for a fucking revolution.

[Pasong Tirad]

Okay I don't understand how the question of "why shouldn't I extend the Golden Rule to them?" isn't answered by "Don't be a major dick?"

If you don't extend the Golden Rule to others than they have no reason to extend it to you.
Mutual Reciprocation.

The point of the Golden Rule isn't because you want others to treat you non-dickishly. It's that you shouldn't be a dick because you shouldn't.

[Dragos-Land]

All LGBT should die because they make the universe a worse place.

[Southerly Gentleman]

What is the real world reason that should prevent me from doing so other than "muh feelings"? You are trying to dodge right now. Just answer the question.

No I'm not fucking dodging. Can you actually validate your scenario by saying how you would do this without harming society?
You say that the law would back you doing this? Are you saying the law is corrupt? Then that harms society.
Are you saying the law is malevolent? Time for a fucking revolution.

And again, in your frame of reference, why is harming society a wrong?