Religion and LGBT Issues

[Pasong Tirad]

I would just like to mention that I am a devout Catholic, although some may question this because I consider myself a liberal Catholic in that I believe LGBTs should be given equal rights to marry and fuck as much as non-LGBT persons do.

The Latin Church does not agree with that position, which, in Roman Catholicism, makes that opinion wrong.

Maybe it is. But my conscience has already decided upon it. Until I hear from God Himself telling me I'm wrong, i doubt I will change my mind - I probably might need some more convincing even if He does tell me I'm wrong.

[United Marxist Nations]

Because God is all-knowing, and all-present. The universe itself is defined by Him. It then makes sense that, to act in accordance to His will, is to act correctly.

And you know this how?

As I have said, no one knows anything. We place our trust in Him, because we recognize that He alone is worthy of worship.

[United Marxist Nations]

The Latin Church does not agree with that position, which, in Roman Catholicism, makes that opinion wrong.

Maybe it is. But my conscience has already decided upon it. Until I hear from God Himself telling me I'm wrong, i doubt I will change my mind - I probably might need some more convincing even if He does tell me I'm wrong.

Then how are you a "devout Catholic"?

[Genivaria]

And you know this how?

As I have said, no one knows anything. We place our trust in Him, because we recognize that He alone is worthy of worship.

So you have no reason to believe what you say so why do you?

And I can think of gods more worthy of worship but they aren't real either.

[Pasong Tirad]

Maybe it is. But my conscience has already decided upon it. Until I hear from God Himself telling me I'm wrong, i doubt I will change my mind - I probably might need some more convincing even if He does tell me I'm wrong.

Then how are you a "devout Catholic"?

I don't presume to question your faith in your Church.

[Genivaria]

The Latin Church does not agree with that position, which, in Roman Catholicism, makes that opinion wrong.

Maybe it is. But my conscience has already decided upon it. Until I hear from God Himself telling me I'm wrong, i doubt I will change my mind - I probably might need some more convincing even if He does tell me I'm wrong.

Thinking for yourself is never easy but the rewards are by far worth it.

[Genivaria]

Maybe it is. But my conscience has already decided upon it. Until I hear from God Himself telling me I'm wrong, i doubt I will change my mind - I probably might need some more convincing even if He does tell me I'm wrong.

Then how are you a "devout Catholic"?

Clearly you're not aware of the millions of Catholics who don't agree with the Church on every issue.

[Salus Maior]

1. Textbook cult behavior.

2. Not a founder I'd want.

3. A truly sick lesson.

1. In general when one adopts an ideology or religion based on their conscience, sometimes that means breaking ties with people.

2. Well, you're not Jewish, are you? So, a non-point.

3. According to what morality? If you're an atheist, morality is a spook. A subjective, invented contraption that ultimately has no weight.

[United Marxist Nations]

As I have said, no one knows anything. We place our trust in Him, because we recognize that He alone is worthy of worship.

So you have no reason to believe what you say so why do you?

And I can think of gods more worthy of worship but they aren't real either.

We have no reason to believe anything.

They are not worthy of worship even if they are real, because they are not the Lord.

[Salus Maior]

Then how are you a "devout Catholic"?

Clearly you're not aware of the millions of Catholics who don't agree with the Church on every issue.

That doesn't make them "Devout".

[United Marxist Nations]

Then how are you a "devout Catholic"?

Clearly you're not aware of the millions of Catholics who don't agree with the Church on every issue.

Part of Catholic doctrine is the infallibility of the Church. You don't get to "disagree".

[Genivaria]

1. Textbook cult behavior.

2. Not a founder I'd want.

3. A truly sick lesson.

1. In general when one adopts an ideology or religion based on their conscience, sometimes that means breaking ties with people.

2. Well, you're not Jewish, are you? So, a non-point.

3. According to what morality? If you're an atheist, morality is a spook. A subjective, invented contraption that ultimately has no weight.

Ha! Because you say so?
And demanding that you cut ties with family and friends who don't believe as you do IS textbook cult behavior nonetheless.

[Lady Scylla]

Clearly you're not aware of the millions of Catholics who don't agree with the Church on every issue.

Part of Catholic doctrine is the infallibility of the Church. You don't get to "disagree".

Infallible according to whom though?

[Pasong Tirad]

Clearly you're not aware of the millions of Catholics who don't agree with the Church on every issue.

That doesn't make them "Devout".

Then that would make very few of the over 80 million Catholics in the Philippines devout. And I think they and myself are okay with that.

[United Marxist Nations]

1. In general when one adopts an ideology or religion based on their conscience, sometimes that means breaking ties with people.

2. Well, you're not Jewish, are you? So, a non-point.

3. According to what morality? If you're an atheist, morality is a spook. A subjective, invented contraption that ultimately has no weight.

Ha! Because you say so?

Give literally one way in which morality can be objective without God.

[Genivaria]

Clearly you're not aware of the millions of Catholics who don't agree with the Church on every issue.

Part of Catholic doctrine is the infallibility of the Church. You don't get to "disagree".

I'm sorry you don't believe in free will.

[United Marxist Nations]

Part of Catholic doctrine is the infallibility of the Church. You don't get to "disagree".

Infallible according to whom though?

The Bible defines the infallibility of the Church when Christ says to Peter that "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"

[Salus Maior]

Ha! Because you say so?

No, because that is what I've been told by Atheists. And ultimately it's true.

In Atheism there is ultimately no binding morality. It's all subjective from there.

[Genivaria]

Part of Catholic doctrine is the infallibility of the Church. You don't get to "disagree".

Infallible according to whom though?

According to the people in charge of it of course.

[United Marxist Nations]

Part of Catholic doctrine is the infallibility of the Church. You don't get to "disagree".

I'm sorry you don't believe in free will.

You have free will, that doesn't mean your will is correct.

[Lady Scylla]

Ha! Because you say so?

Give literally one way in which morality can be objective without God.

A rock.

[Southerly Gentleman]

1. In general when one adopts an ideology or religion based on their conscience, sometimes that means breaking ties with people.

2. Well, you're not Jewish, are you? So, a non-point.

3. According to what morality? If you're an atheist, morality is a spook. A subjective, invented contraption that ultimately has no weight.

Ha! Because you say so?
And demanding that you cut ties with family and friends who don't believe as you do IS textbook cult behavior nonetheless.

Welll, morality does become a lot harder to justify without religion, other than "but it makes me feel warm and fuzzy!!"

[Genivaria]

Ha! Because you say so?

No, because that is what I've been told by Atheists. And ultimately it's true.

In Atheism there is ultimately no binding morality. It's all subjective from there.

Oh shit I forgot about the atheist hivemind my bad.
And you're baseless assertions prove nothing.

[Lady Scylla]

Infallible according to whom though?

The Bible defines the infallibility of the Church when Christ says to Peter that "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"

That doesn't mean it's infallible. Just that I'll burst into flames if I walk into one.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

1. Textbook cult behavior.

2. Not a founder I'd want.

3. A truly sick lesson.

1. In general when one adopts an ideology or religion based on their conscience, sometimes that means breaking ties with people.

2. Well, you're not Jewish, are you? So, a non-point.

3. According to what morality? If you're an atheist, morality is a spook. A subjective, invented contraption that ultimately has no weight.

1. I thought the point was to ignore your conscience and trust in God?

2. I'm not a Tory, but I can still make judgements as to whether I think the figures Tories look up to are admirable or not.

3. Tool might be a better word. Contraption implies a certain uselessness.