Jochizyd Republic wrote:Herskerstad wrote:
I would consider Yuan and Qing rule, as well as Liao/Northen Song Jin to be acceptable topics on the thread.
Specifically, I think Yuan's extended racial policies, contrasted with Qing's policy of letting the Han for the most part govern themselves, was influential in describing the relative short life of one and the long life of the other.
Yuan Encouraged Integration.
And the Qing did much the same thing with widely hated policies designed to get Han Chinese to adopt Manchu Custom and Dress (the Queue being one and probably most famous example of that) . Penalties for not conforming were often extremely severe under Qing Emperors. No less severe than Penalties for not following the Borjigin's codes under the Yuan. Although they did give the Han some Autonomy in terms of local government, to seperate them from the Yuan based on how their integration policy worked is a bit strange. Since they both were very heavy on almost reinventing the Culture of China to fit Mongol and Manchu norms.
Well it was integration for a system which held the majority of the population in a naturally inferior position under what they would consider foreigners. The Qing took a different approach by staffing at least in government offices about half and half, whereas the Yuan at times even imported stock from abroad to govern the Han which was something they did not like, given that the confusian meritocracy was almost thrown out the window by the Yuan and that used to be their only latter up towards leadership.
Also I'd be careful about comparing early Qing and the Yuan itself, as the within a generation Qing had a pretty stable rule that would last and even prosper for some time. Not saying that their ninteenth century was anything, other than one gigantic disaster after another, but mongol succession troubles, fiscal disasters, a very distrusting han populace and the corruption of more or less making the governorship handed over to Mongols which had not as thorough administrative backgrounds was bound to almost hold end in perpetual rebellions.
