Right Wing Discussion Thread VII: As Easy As Reich Two Three

[Benuty]

Both sides of the Spanish Civil War deserved to have been exterminated for the shit they pulled.

Maybe Spain could have started from scrap, but oh well.

[Kravanica]

I take this response about as seriously as I would take REEEEEEEEEEEEE. That is, not in the slightest. 0/10 don't bother trying again.

It was a joke. It was not, in any way, meant to be taken seriously. The fact that such obvious shitposting is lost on you only serves to make you look bad. But if you want me to get serious then I would be more than happy to.

[Kravanica]

Both sides of the Spanish Civil War deserved to have been exterminated for the shit they pulled.

Maybe Spain could have started from scrap, but oh well.

Franco wasn't completely terrible.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

It would be fascinating to see how Catalonia would have turned out.

Indeed. The suppression of local identity by Franco is one of the main things I have against him.

Catalonia and the republicans were far from perfect, and I don't think they have much right to complain about the human right abuses they suffered under Franco considering what they did to clergy and people who didn't want to join the collectives. But I'd have preferred to see Spain become a federation of communes rather than a totalitarian state ruled by Franco. Ironically, Hitler of all people agreed:

You know my opinion of Franco... We ought to keep these Red Spaniards on the back burner... They're lost to democracy, and to that reactionary crew round Franco too... I believe you to the letter, Speer, that they were impressive people. I must say, in general, that during thethe idealism was not on Franco's side; it was to be found among the Reds ... one of these days we'll be able to make use of them... The whole thing will start all over again. But with us on the opposite side.

[Old Tyrannia]

I take this response about as seriously as I would take REEEEEEEEEEEEE. That is, not in the slightest. 0/10 don't bother trying again.

The main producer of blanket statements and the person who refuses to defend them is critiquing somebody else for lack of substance? The irony I hope is not lost on you. Please tell us more on how all politicians are evil and we're all doomed.

I thought "all politicians are evil and we're all doomed" was the general consensus of the human species at this point?

[Ban Pho]

New thread, huh? Kinda smells napalm, doesn't it, have you been bombing 'Nam recently have you. It's ok we all have our flaws.

[Ban Pho]

Also, why isn't The Great Nordic War included in the poll?

[The Greater Aryan Race]

I did pick Taiping largely because it would have really set Sino history upside down had it had any degree of success, and would have incorporated some extremely egalitarian elements while also some which we would today consider reactionary aspects.

The boxer because it would be the last real attempt at a old, traditional sinosentric engagement with the world. While Cixi would probably have initiated some army and economy reforms there is great reason to doubt it would have been anything like that of the three peoples principles that followed shortly after the Qing.

Something about heavily-militarised, authoritarian theocracies makes me apprehensive about supporting them. The Taiping to their credit instituted some egalitarian policies, but they were also incredibly violent and destructive.

The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster. It would have done nothing except invite further ruin onto China, which was exactly what happened when Cixi decided to lend her support to them. The far better course of action would've been to nip the Boxer issue in the bud as quickly as possible and press on with the Self-Strengthening reforms.

[Camaalbakrius]

Another wonderful day in Donald Trump's America.

I hope y'all are doing well

[The East Marches]

The main producer of blanket statements and the person who refuses to defend them is critiquing somebody else for lack of substance? The irony I hope is not lost on you. Please tell us more on how all politicians are evil and we're all doomed.

I thought "all politicians are evil and we're all doomed" was the general consensus of the human species at this point?

I am a fan of Ron Paul, at the least I can't subscribe the the former statement.

[Camaalbakrius]

Why aren't the Crusades an option in the poll? That outcome should have been changed. Well, I mean, the Kingdom of Jerusalem has been reinstated, hasn't it? The Saracens have been driven from the Holy Land and Israel is now an independent nation. The Crusaders can rest in peace.

[Camaalbakrius]

I did pick Taiping largely because it would have really set Sino history upside down had it had any degree of success, and would have incorporated some extremely egalitarian elements while also some which we would today consider reactionary aspects.

The boxer because it would be the last real attempt at a old, traditional sinosentric engagement with the world. While Cixi would probably have initiated some army and economy reforms there is great reason to doubt it would have been anything like that of the three peoples principles that followed shortly after the Qing.

Something about heavily-militarised, authoritarian theocracies makes me apprehensive about supporting them. The Taiping to their credit instituted some egalitarian policies, but they were also incredibly violent and destructive.

The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster. It would have done nothing except invite further ruin onto China, which was exactly what happened when Cixi decided to lend her support to them. The far better course of action would've been to nip the Boxer issue in the bud as quickly as possible and press on with the Self-Strengthening reforms.

When you said "The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster" I read it in Donald Trump's voice. It's one of the most common things he says. Disaster, wall, drain, swamp, and wrong

[Herskerstad]

I did pick Taiping largely because it would have really set Sino history upside down had it had any degree of success, and would have incorporated some extremely egalitarian elements while also some which we would today consider reactionary aspects.

The boxer because it would be the last real attempt at a old, traditional sinosentric engagement with the world. While Cixi would probably have initiated some army and economy reforms there is great reason to doubt it would have been anything like that of the three peoples principles that followed shortly after the Qing.

Something about heavily-militarised, authoritarian theocracies makes me apprehensive about supporting them. The Taiping to their credit instituted some egalitarian policies, but they were also incredibly violent and destructive.

The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster. It would have done nothing except invite further ruin onto China, which was exactly what happened when Cixi decided to lend her support to them. The far better course of action would've been to nip the Boxer issue in the bud as quickly as possible and press on with the Self-Strengthening reforms.

Oh don't get me wrong, I have no expectation of Taiping as doing any level of smooth sailing. There would be internal divisions from the iconoclasm, external divisions from Xiuquan's claims compared to European and American expectations of Christianity, Xiuquan was an expert at alienating less than puritan elements of society, and the Qing was not short on those, but had Rengan managed to implement his reforms then the likes of Meiji would have been seen as a natural after effect. China would have been extraordinarily more powerful even though, like all nations before it, the cost of industrialisation would have been immense.

[Herskerstad]

Something about heavily-militarised, authoritarian theocracies makes me apprehensive about supporting them. The Taiping to their credit instituted some egalitarian policies, but they were also incredibly violent and destructive.

The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster. It would have done nothing except invite further ruin onto China, which was exactly what happened when Cixi decided to lend her support to them. The far better course of action would've been to nip the Boxer issue in the bud as quickly as possible and press on with the Self-Strengthening reforms.

When you said "The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster" I read it in Donald Trump's voice. It's one of the most common things he says. Disaster, wall, drain, swamp, and wrong

Also

Don't even have to give the text now do I?

[Victoriala II]

Roooooo

[Camaalbakrius]

When you said "The Boxer Rebellion was a disaster" I read it in Donald Trump's voice. It's one of the most common things he says. Disaster, wall, drain, swamp, and wrong

Also

Don't even have to give the text now do I?

My computer didn't load the Image. I don't know what it says.

[Herskerstad]

Why aren't the Crusades an option in the poll? That outcome should have been changed. Well, I mean, the Kingdom of Jerusalem has been reinstated, hasn't it? The Saracens have been driven from the Holy Land and Israel is now an independent nation. The Crusaders can rest in peace.

I did think about adding events like the civil wars of the Tetrarchy, the conquest of Mecca ect, but they would not always have as much to do with right wing, left wing, revolutionary, traditionalist aspects as some of the latter conflicts that can more easily be viewed through the modern political lens. The idea was to get conflicts that would shift things decidedly to some of these aspects and appeal globally as well as historically, and needless to say some options were excluded because there is only 10 options per poll.

[Herskerstad]

Also

Don't even have to give the text now do I?

My computer didn't load the Image. I don't know what it says.

Trump saying China multiple times.

[Camaalbakrius]

Why aren't the Crusades an option in the poll? That outcome should have been changed. Well, I mean, the Kingdom of Jerusalem has been reinstated, hasn't it? The Saracens have been driven from the Holy Land and Israel is now an independent nation. The Crusaders can rest in peace.

I did think about adding events like the civil wars of the Tetrarchy, the conquest of Mecca ect, but they would not always have as much to do with right wing, left wing, revolutionary, traditionalist aspects as some of the latter conflicts that can more easily be viewed through the modern political lens. The idea was to get conflicts that would shift things decidedly to some of these aspects and appeal globally as well as historically, and needless to say some options were excluded because there is only 10 options per poll.

DEUS VULT HERETIC

I'm kidding, I understand. That makes sense

[Camaalbakrius]

My computer didn't load the Image. I don't know what it says.

Trump saying China multiple times.

Oh. Ha, that works too

[Herskerstad]

Trump saying China multiple times.

Oh. Ha, that works too

Should make that a challenge, read all Chinese history books in Trump's voice.

[Herskerstad]

I did think about adding events like the civil wars of the Tetrarchy, the conquest of Mecca ect, but they would not always have as much to do with right wing, left wing, revolutionary, traditionalist aspects as some of the latter conflicts that can more easily be viewed through the modern political lens. The idea was to get conflicts that would shift things decidedly to some of these aspects and appeal globally as well as historically, and needless to say some options were excluded because there is only 10 options per poll.

DEUS VULT HERETIC

I'm kidding, I understand. That makes sense

Heh

[Camaalbakrius]

Oh. Ha, that works too

Should make that a challenge, read all Chinese history books in Trump's voice.

And when the Mongols attacked, China built a wall to keep the Mongols out. It was a huge wall. When the mongols attacked and got past it, they made the wall ten feet taller

[The Serbian Empire]

For the poll, obviously the Russian Revolution.

Same, just imagine Russia not being communist.

[Ban Pho]

For the poll, obviously the Russian Revolution.

Same, just imagine Russia not being communist.

it's unimaginable