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If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be?

1 - The German Empire
93
19%
2 - The French Empire
30
6%
3 - The Spanish Empire
24
5%
4 - The British Empire
117
24%
5 - The Mongol Empire
17
3%
6 - The Abbasid Caliphate
22
4%
7 - The Roman Empire
120
24%
8 - The Qing Dynasty
12
2%
9 - Imperial Japan
14
3%
10 - The Russian Empire
48
10%
 
Total votes : 497

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Postby Italios » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:05 pm

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Italios wrote:The mainstream media is a reflection of what the majority support. It is us. Good luck on getting an unbiased media system - we are a biased society.

I am not denying that the corporations ideally not be involved in politics, but the "mainstream media is trash" rhetoric tires me a little.


I'd agree if this weren't the case.

Interesting. Republicans appear to have the least amount of trust because it doesn't reflect their views because they are, well, a minority compared to leftist Dems. Democrats would feel the same way if the roles were reversed. There's nothing you can do about it.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:06 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

"People don't trust it, therefore, it's trash"?

People can obtain bad views and opinions en masse. That doesn't make them right.


My point is, mainstream media isn't really a reflection of what we think if our society hardly even trusts in those institutions. Furthermore, when we have sources such as Vox, Salon, HuffPo, BreitBart, InfoWars, and even Fox and MSNBC taking up large swathes of the industry, it really concerns me as someone who values journalistic integrity.

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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:06 pm

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Not sure if I require sauce or if this is a joke.

Assuming the latter.


Bit of both, I'm afraid. Its well known that he is an avid marijuana user, and he acts like he is stoned to the fucking bone all the time. Either that or he is just a nervous, timid public speaker. Seeing as he was a CEO and Governor, I find it hard to believe hes always been like that.


Interesting. Well, if the feds ever legalize weed, I know who to hit up. /joke

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Postby -Fahrong- » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:06 pm

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Basically. Clinton, here in the US, is a leftist, and its a bit silly to pretend that Democrats are "center right" or "right." A lot of leftists do this, and I guess I can see where that thought might stem from, but the Dems are all for expanding social services, raising the minimum wage, a larger social security net, more expansive LGBT rights and shit. I'd call that somewhat left of center, and left here in America.


None of those I consider 'left'. Now if they advocate for the seizure of the means of production, then alright.

The other way around, they are all left, just not radical leftists, its really the Right Wing which barely exists.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:06 pm

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Lady Scylla wrote:
None of those I consider 'left'. Now if they advocate for the seizure of the means of production, then alright.


What is this 1917?

If this is the definition leftism does not exist in any meaningful form anywhere.


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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:07 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Bit of both, I'm afraid. Its well known that he is an avid marijuana user, and he acts like he is stoned to the fucking bone all the time. Either that or he is just a nervous, timid public speaker. Seeing as he was a CEO and Governor, I find it hard to believe hes always been like that.


Interesting. Well, if the feds ever legalize weed, I know who to hit up. /joke

You need a lot more than weed.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:07 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Interesting. Well, if the feds ever legalize weed, I know who to hit up. /joke

You need a lot more than weed.


Weed just makes me paranoid and or loopy. Can't say I'm personally a huge fan.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:08 pm

Major-Tom wrote:My point is, mainstream media isn't really a reflection of what we think if our society hardly even trusts in those institutions.

Not trusting something is different from it not being a reflection. You can doubt that scraggy face in the polished mirror all you want; doesn't mean it's not an accurate reflection.
Furthermore, when we have sources such as Vox, Salon, HuffPo, BreitBart, InfoWars, and even Fox and MSNBC taking up large swathes of the industry, it really concerns me as someone who values journalistic integrity.

Vox, Salon, Breitbart, and InfoWars are part of the mainstream media now?

They're the ones preaching distrust of the 'mainstream media'.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:08 pm

-Fahrong- wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
None of those I consider 'left'. Now if they advocate for the seizure of the means of production, then alright.

The other way around, they are all left, just not radical leftists, its really the Right Wing which barely exists.


The majority of people are in the Moderate's circle, with some that are centrists. Fringe groups are the lot that are radical.

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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:08 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Interesting. Well, if the feds ever legalize weed, I know who to hit up. /joke

You need a lot more than weed.


I see nothing wrong with the way I am.

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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:My point is, mainstream media isn't really a reflection of what we think if our society hardly even trusts in those institutions.

Not trusting something is different from it not being a reflection. You can doubt that scraggy face in the polished mirror all you want; doesn't mean it's not an accurate reflection.
Furthermore, when we have sources such as Vox, Salon, HuffPo, BreitBart, InfoWars, and even Fox and MSNBC taking up large swathes of the industry, it really concerns me as someone who values journalistic integrity.

Vox, Salon, Breitbart, and InfoWars are part of the mainstream media now?

They're the ones preaching distrust of the 'mainstream media'.

I saw an InfoWars billboard while driving home from the mall one day.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:My point is, mainstream media isn't really a reflection of what we think if our society hardly even trusts in those institutions.

Not trusting something is different from it not being a reflection. You can doubt that scraggy face in the polished mirror all you want; doesn't mean it's not an accurate reflection.
Furthermore, when we have sources such as Vox, Salon, HuffPo, BreitBart, InfoWars, and even Fox and MSNBC taking up large swathes of the industry, it really concerns me as someone who values journalistic integrity.

Vox, Salon, Breitbart, and InfoWars are part of the mainstream media now?

They're the ones preaching distrust of the 'mainstream media'.


No, they're not, they just happen to be becoming increasingly representative in the industry, making them "mainstream" so to speak.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:09 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
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Bernie Sanders was running off of the Democrat caucus. His platform was much less left than his actual views, and even himself, as a DemSoc is about centre-left, keeping him in the 'Moderates'. People are mixing up platform and personal views, and that's a problem.


Then if we assume that Bernie's supporters were average center-left folk, then the jump to Bernie's platform to Clinton's platform wasn't really that much to begin with?


Nope. It's not like you're leaping over a cliff. Moderates bounce around all the time.

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:10 pm

Luminesa wrote:I saw an InfoWars billboard while driving home from the mall one day.

Alex Jones should just go away. *nod*
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Postby Austrasien » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:10 pm

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I'll give you a ticket. It's to the 21st century.

The "means of production" have zero relevance to contemporary politics. Communism died, nobody cried and we all moved on to other issues.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:10 pm

Luminesa wrote:I saw an InfoWars billboard while driving home from the mall one day.

I saw a psychic hotline billboard driving home the other day.

Fuckin' anyone can buy a billboard. There's an Always Sunny In Philadelphia episode about buying a billboard. Billboards are not big deals.
Major-Tom wrote:No, they're not, they just happen to be becoming increasingly representative in the industry, making them "mainstream" so to speak.

Oh, so they're not the mainstream media, they're just media that's 'mainstream'.

What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

It sounds as ridiculous as the narrative those outlets push. Hell, it probably isn't too far off from their claims.
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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:11 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:You need a lot more than weed.


I see nothing wrong with the way I am.

Are you kidding me? You are like, the worst kind.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:11 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Hey, look. You got it. Congratulations, here's a gold key that goes to absolutely nothing!

For he's a jolly good fellow! For he's a jolly good fellow!


I'll give you a ticket. It's to the 21st century.

The "means of production" have zero relevance to contemporary politics. Communism died, nobody cried and we all moved on to other issues.


I agree.

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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:11 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the way I am.

Are you kidding me? You are like, the worst kind.


Why, sir, you wound me. /sarcasm

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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:14 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:Are you kidding me? You are like, the worst kind.


Why, sir, you wound me. /sarcasm

You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:15 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
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Why, sir, you wound me. /sarcasm

You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?

No, he's trying to be edgy.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:15 pm

Gauliscia wrote:You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?

You'd get farther talking to a brick wall, I'm afraid. :(
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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:16 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Why, sir, you wound me. /sarcasm

You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?


Yeah, and?

Conserative Morality wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?

No, he's trying to be edgy.


Not really, but whatever you want to think, fam.




Going to bed, I'm worn out from today.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:16 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Why, sir, you wound me. /sarcasm

You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?


Someone's already been DEATed, it's been a few pages, I say the discussion has run its course. In favour of keeping others out of trouble, might I issue a firm -- Knock it off. Put each other on ignore if you have to, or take a break, but it's clear that, on the current route by your lot's tone, this is not going to go anywhere good outside of needing Moderation. So pipe it.

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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:16 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:You deceive and wound people. You have sex only for raw pleasure. Seriously?

You'd get farther talking to a brick wall, I'm afraid. :(

But surely? He must... Everyone has a conscience do they not?
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