Right Wing Discussion Thread VII: As Easy As Reich Two Three

[Lady Scylla]

By European standards, sure. However, the Democrats are a left-wing party in the context of American politics, and I'm fairly sure they'd be recognised as such in America.

Basically. Clinton, here in the US, is a leftist, and its a bit silly to pretend that Democrats are "center right" or "right." A lot of leftists do this, and I guess I can see where that thought might stem from, but the Dems are all for expanding social services, raising the minimum wage, a larger social security net, more expansive LGBT rights and shit. I'd call that somewhat left of center, and left here in America.

None of those I consider 'left'. Now if they advocate for the seizure of the means of production, then alright.

[Major-Tom]

I had to, no apologies.

So... You don't know what Aleppo is?

In case you didn't catch my shit joke.

I...I do not...know of Aleppo. Is that a sort of Armenian sex act? How does that work, explain?

[Austrasien]

To be fair, I was at a genetic disadvantage in many, many ways.

Like starting a footrace after being shot in both knees.

If you did not have the same genes you would not be the same person. You are what you are.

[Lady Scylla]

what is aleppo

GOSH, JOHNSON, NOBODY ASKED YOU. XD

But I'm hip!

[The V O I D]

To be fair, I was at a genetic disadvantage in many, many ways.

Like starting a footrace after being shot in both knees.

You wanna talk about disadvantages? My little sister has quite the long list of genetic disadvantages. Physical and intellectual. If you wanna talk about people being genetically shot in the knees, she's taken quite a few proverbially punches to her dignity. And she still manages to be a decent human being. If you don't let your disabilities define you, you will be capable of truly awesome things. But if you let them be your excuse for your behavior towards other, trust me, they will define you.

There's a different between physical disabilities and manageable mental illnesses...

...versus a mental illness that renders you incapable of being normal other than whatever facade you manage to build.

[Gauliscia]

So... You don't know what Aleppo is?

he speaks of Garebear Johnson's "What is... Aleppo?" interview moment

Ohhh... That guy. That dude is weird. He's one if the most socially awkward politicians I've met...

[Major-Tom]

No true Scotsman?

Clinton, and more broadly the Clintonite wave of New Democrats in general, have long been accused of being nearly indistinguishable from the opposition.

Basically. Clinton, here in the US, is a leftist, and its a bit silly to pretend that Democrats are "center right" or "right." A lot of leftists do this, and I guess I can see where that thought might stem from, but the Dems are all for expanding social services,

Considering that Dems have long been cutting social services, I find that hard to swallow.

raising the minimum wage,

Should not be a left or right-wing issue considering that both supposedly opposite sides agree in principle on a minimum wage.

a larger social security net,

Yeah, that's why we've been cutting SSDA for the past eight years. That's why 'welfare' programs declined markedly under Bill.

more expansive LGBT rights and shit.

If you count that as left-wing, you're falling behind your own party.

The Dems platform, I suppose, is left of center. Their actions....thats more of a mixed bag.

In America's landscape, its often viewed as left wing. I'm all for LGBT rights, but at least where I'm from, a lot of people consider that one of many positions on the social "left."

[The V O I D]

To be fair, I was at a genetic disadvantage in many, many ways.

Like starting a footrace after being shot in both knees.

If you did not have the same genes you would not be the same person. You are what you are.

And so are you, and everyone else; so?

[Major-Tom]

he speaks of Garebear Johnson's "What is... Aleppo?" interview moment

Ohhh... That guy. That dude is weird. He's one if the most socially awkward politicians I've met...

Its cause he is perpetually stoned.

[The Liberated Territories]

No true Scotsman?

Clinton, and more broadly the Clintonite wave of New Democrats in general, have long been accused of being nearly indistinguishable from the opposition.

Don't get me wrong, I think Clinton was very distinguishable from Trump.

[Italios]

RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)

The mainstream American and European left, yes. I'll agree with your points on the Clintons, its obvious that our mainstream media is garbage. But I want to add a caveat that this is beginning to hold true in Europe, wherein the social democratic parties and whatnot are cozy with both Brussels and large corporations, which is crony capitalism, really.

The mainstream media is a reflection of what the majority support. It is us. Good luck on getting an unbiased media system - we are a biased society.

I am not denying that the corporations ideally not be involved in politics, but the "mainstream media is trash" rhetoric tires me a little.

[Southerly Gentleman]

Ohhh... That guy. That dude is weird. He's one if the most socially awkward politicians I've met...

Its cause he is perpetually stoned.

Yeah, lol. The perfect Libertarian.

[Austrasien]

And so are you, and everyone else; so?

Your teachers and coaches and whatever did nothing wrong.

[Lady Scylla]

Well, I don't consider Clinton or that lot 'Left' anyway, so that kinda falls flat.

Yet she was significantly left enough for many former Bernie Bros to vote for, no? I do recall bragging that she was "dragged left" and was further left than Obama back in August or somesuch.

Bernie Sanders was running off of the Democrat caucus. His platform was much less left than his actual views, and even himself, as a DemSoc is about centre-left, keeping him in the 'Moderates'. People are mixing up platform and personal views, and that's a problem.

[The V O I D]

Ohhh... That guy. That dude is weird. He's one if the most socially awkward politicians I've met...

Its cause he is perpetually stoned.

Not sure if I require sauce or if this is a joke.

Assuming the latter.

[Luminesa]

You wanna talk about disadvantages? My little sister has quite the long list of genetic disadvantages. Physical and intellectual. If you wanna talk about people being genetically shot in the knees, she's taken quite a few proverbially punches to her dignity. And she still manages to be a decent human being. If you don't let your disabilities define you, you will be capable of truly awesome things. But if you let them be your excuse for your behavior towards other, trust me, they will define you.

There's a different between physical disabilities and manageable mental illnesses...

...versus a mental illness that renders you incapable of being normal other than whatever facade you manage to build.

Not in the case of letting it define how you act toward others.

That doesn't excuse seeing women as food. You can still have no emotional attachments and still respect your sexual partners as your equals, not as a burger or a Poptart.

[Gauliscia]

Ohhh... That guy. That dude is weird. He's one if the most socially awkward politicians I've met...

Its cause he is perpetually stoned.

I'm pretty sociable after a few smokes of grass.. What's his excuse? Oh yea, he's libertarian

[Conserative Morality]

Don't get me wrong, I think Clinton was very distinguishable from Trump.

Yeah, but Trump was very distinguishable from the usual opposition.

[Major-Tom]

The mainstream American and European left, yes. I'll agree with your points on the Clintons, its obvious that our mainstream media is garbage. But I want to add a caveat that this is beginning to hold true in Europe, wherein the social democratic parties and whatnot are cozy with both Brussels and large corporations, which is crony capitalism, really.

The mainstream media is a reflection of what the majority support. It is us. Good luck on getting an unbiased media system - we are a biased society.

I am not denying that the corporations ideally not be involved in politics, but the "mainstream media is trash" rhetoric tires me a little.

I'd agree if this weren't the case.

[Austrasien]

Basically. Clinton, here in the US, is a leftist, and its a bit silly to pretend that Democrats are "center right" or "right." A lot of leftists do this, and I guess I can see where that thought might stem from, but the Dems are all for expanding social services, raising the minimum wage, a larger social security net, more expansive LGBT rights and shit. I'd call that somewhat left of center, and left here in America.

None of those I consider 'left'. Now if they advocate for the seizure of the means of production, then alright.

What is this 1917?

If this is the definition leftism does not exist in any meaningful form anywhere.

[Conserative Morality]

I'd agree if this weren't the case.

"People don't trust it, therefore, it's trash"?

People can obtain bad views and opinions en masse. That doesn't make them right.

[Major-Tom]

Its cause he is perpetually stoned.

Not sure if I require sauce or if this is a joke.

Assuming the latter.

Bit of both, I'm afraid. Its well known that he is an avid marijuana user, and he acts like he is stoned to the fucking bone all the time. Either that or he is just a nervous, timid public speaker. Seeing as he was a CEO and Governor, I find it hard to believe hes always been like that.

[Lady Scylla]

Clinton, and more broadly the Clintonite wave of New Democrats in general, have long been accused of being nearly indistinguishable from the opposition.

Considering that Dems have long been cutting social services, I find that hard to swallow.

Should not be a left or right-wing issue considering that both supposedly opposite sides agree in principle on a minimum wage.

Yeah, that's why we've been cutting SSDA for the past eight years. That's why 'welfare' programs declined markedly under Bill.

If you count that as left-wing, you're falling behind your own party.

The Dems platform, I suppose, is left of center. Their actions....thats more of a mixed bag.

In America's landscape, its often viewed as left wing. I'm all for LGBT rights, but at least where I'm from, a lot of people consider that one of many positions on the social "left."

I just consider it socially liberal. Liberal in the original term of being 'free'.

[The V O I D]

There's a different between physical disabilities and manageable mental illnesses...

...versus a mental illness that renders you incapable of being normal other than whatever facade you manage to build.

Not in the case of letting it define how you act toward others.

That doesn't excuse seeing women as food. You can still have no emotional attachments and still respect your sexual partners as your equals, not as a burger or a Poptart.

My facade of normal agrees with you 100% and would be respectful, polite, even gentleman-like.

But, since that's a facade, the real me continues viewing the world as I always have and always will because that's just the way I am. And I continue to simply see it as me playing people like a violin to get what I want at that moment.

[The Liberated Territories]

Yet she was significantly left enough for many former Bernie Bros to vote for, no? I do recall bragging that she was "dragged left" and was further left than Obama back in August or somesuch.

Bernie Sanders was running off of the Democrat caucus. His platform was much less left than his actual views, and even himself, as a DemSoc is about centre-left, keeping him in the 'Moderates'. People are mixing up platform and personal views, and that's a problem.

Then if we assume that Bernie's supporters were average center-left folk, then the jump to Bernie's platform to Clinton's platform wasn't really that much to begin with?