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If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be?

1 - The German Empire
93
19%
2 - The French Empire
30
6%
3 - The Spanish Empire
24
5%
4 - The British Empire
117
24%
5 - The Mongol Empire
17
3%
6 - The Abbasid Caliphate
22
4%
7 - The Roman Empire
120
24%
8 - The Qing Dynasty
12
2%
9 - Imperial Japan
14
3%
10 - The Russian Empire
48
10%
 
Total votes : 497

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:48 pm

Luminesa wrote:That is not equal AT ALL. Religion does not equal emotional or personality disorders. And most relationships throughout history have been formed by religion and religious views on relationships.

I wouldn't go that far, considering the nature of pre/non-Abrahamic marriage and relationship standards.
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Postby Italios » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:48 pm

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I honestly don't know where it begins or ends, I just go through life doing my best to pretend to be normal IRL and hope for the best.

And if I'm about to get in trouble, I bring out the fake tears and call my accuser a liar. Works every time (in my experience so far).

But does that not pull on your conscience? To actively deceive people?

Someone who is mentally "normal" might experience that but having a mental disorder would process their bad actions differently. It would be a lot easier is mental illnesses were accommodating of social norms, but alas, they aren't.
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Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
I honestly don't know where it begins or ends, I just go through life doing my best to pretend to be normal IRL and hope for the best.

And if I'm about to get in trouble, I bring out the fake tears and call my accuser a liar. Works every time (in my experience so far).

But does that not pull on your conscience? To actively deceive people?

Oh, he's a monster. A pure psychopath. It's so rare to capture one alive. From a research point of view, Dr. VOID is our most prized asset...
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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:48 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Oh no. No, no, no, a thousand times no. If you have a personality disorder, that is one thing. You can't blame anyone for that, it happens. But if you're going around blaming people for your actions and for your behavior, that's a cop-out. You can blame a teacher for causing you some sort of pain, certainly. But you can't blame your teachers and coaches and parents for the way you act towards women. They might have promoted a certain mindset, and it might not have been healthy, but in the end, it all comes back to you. And emotional and mental maturity is realizing this: that YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.


To be fair, I have a genetic history of mental illness (schizophrenia, alzheimer's, among others) combined with a really shitty environment growing up (outside of home, that is; that wasn't as shitty).

I feel as though putting all the blame on me is unfair because I didn't exactly choose this, but then again, I don't care anymore. I stopped caring years ago.

Well, it is your fault because you haven't done anything about it. But it's also your parents fault for not raising someone made of the right stuff.
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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:49 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
I honestly don't know where it begins or ends, I just go through life doing my best to pretend to be normal IRL and hope for the best.

And if I'm about to get in trouble, I bring out the fake tears and call my accuser a liar. Works every time (in my experience so far).

But does that not pull on your conscience? To actively deceive people?


>does not feel remorse
>does not feel guilt
>"conscience"

kek.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:49 pm

RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)
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The Liberated Territories wrote:RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)

Clinton was the right-wing of the center-right party.
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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:50 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:But does that not pull on your conscience? To actively deceive people?

Oh, he's a monster. A pure psychopath. It's so rare to capture one alive. From a research point of view, Dr. VOID is our most prized asset...

Gosh
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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:50 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
To be fair, I have a genetic history of mental illness (schizophrenia, alzheimer's, among others) combined with a really shitty environment growing up (outside of home, that is; that wasn't as shitty).

I feel as though putting all the blame on me is unfair because I didn't exactly choose this, but then again, I don't care anymore. I stopped caring years ago.

Well, it is your fault because you haven't done anything about it. But it's also your parents fault for not raising someone made of the right stuff.


My parents didn't know I became this way, because I'm that good of a pretender.

My parents gave me a relatively normal home life. It was literally everywhere else where shit hit the fan.

But it's whatever, yeah.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:50 pm

The V O I D wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The reasons behind LGBT relationships and behind straight relationships are fundamentally the same.


It's whatever, fam. I gave up trying to understand your logic the literal moment 'god' entered the equation.

You don't understand LGBT relationships yourself, because you literally don't understand romance.
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Postby Austrasien » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:50 pm

LOL

Anyways, if you can't overcome your environment you didn't deserve to. VOID is exactly what he deserved to be.
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Postby Italios » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
And LGBT issues/marriage are based on things LGBT people experience with each other and with themselves. Because you are religious and are therefor incapable of seeing things from their perspective, that means you have no place speaking on LGBT people, their relationships or making policies regarding them.

How am I wrong in my statement if you are right in yours?

Religious does not equal 'not homosexual' or 'not bi'.

A better question would be "if you are not part of the LGBT+ community, is your opinion on the treatment of the LGBT+ community valid/worthy to be stated?" The answer is yes, because identity is not a good enough reason to hold someone back from a discussion. That being said, not being able to understand the situation - i.e. not experiencing "love" while trying to discuss relationships - is difficult.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:51 pm

Can we for real change the topic tho? If you legitimately have a mental illness that isn't pseudodiagnosis babble, then you don't have to be a dick, y'know? Accept that you're troubled and find ways to fix that, whether it be through your own efforts, or through seeking outside help. Just don't be a dick.

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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:51 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Oh no. No, no, no, a thousand times no. If you have a personality disorder, that is one thing. You can't blame anyone for that, it happens. But if you're going around blaming people for your actions and for your behavior, that's a cop-out. You can blame a teacher for causing you some sort of pain, certainly. But you can't blame your teachers and coaches and parents for the way you act towards women. They might have promoted a certain mindset, and it might not have been healthy, but in the end, it all comes back to you. And emotional and mental maturity is realizing this: that YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.


To be fair, I have a genetic history of mental illness (schizophrenia, alzheimer's, among others) combined with a really shitty environment growing up (outside of home, that is; that wasn't as shitty).

I feel as though putting all the blame on me is unfair because I didn't exactly choose this, but then again, I don't care anymore. I stopped caring years ago.

I'm not putting all the blame on you. I understand that environment plays a huge role in who we are and how we act. But this is the difference between a child and a man: a child lets his circumstances control him. A man goes and does great things despite his circumstances. Even if they have disabilities, even if they have been hurt, even if they have done things in their past that they shouldn't have. Even if they are entirely bedridden and incapable of going out and doing the things you and I can. They strive to do great things anyway, or at least to be respectful people to others. You can't let life go by and just blame your personality disorder on the way you treat others, especially people of the opposite sex. Eventually you have to decide for yourself what is going to be the master of your life.
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The Liberated Territories wrote:RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)


what is neoliberalism
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Postby Gauliscia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:52 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Gauliscia wrote:Well, it is your fault because you haven't done anything about it. But it's also your parents fault for not raising someone made of the right stuff.


My parents didn't know I became this way, because I'm that good of a pretender.

My parents gave me a relatively normal home life. It was literally everywhere else where shit hit the fan.

But it's whatever, yeah.

Well it's not whatever because your attitudes, quite frankly, stink. Think of all the people who's hearts have been rent in twain by your deceit and villainy. Your parents, if worth their salt, should be able to see past a pretence. They know you better than yourself.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:52 pm

Yorkers wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)


what is neoliberalism


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Conserative Morality wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)

Clinton was the right-wing of the center-right party.

Too bad America decides to swing for a theatrical, "I'm-a-controversy" faux-Sanders.
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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:53 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Can we for real change the topic tho? If you legitimately have a mental illness that isn't pseudodiagnosis babble, then you don't have to be a dick, y'know? Accept that you're troubled and find ways to fix that, whether it be through your own efforts, or through seeking outside help. Just don't be a dick.


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Postby Conscentia » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:53 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)

Clinton was the right-wing of the center-right party.

By European standards, sure. However, the Democrats are a left-wing party in the context of American politics, and I'm fairly sure they'd be recognised as such in America.

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Austrasien wrote:LOL

Anyways, if you can't overcome your environment you didn't deserve to.


LMAO
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:54 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:RWDT — has the mainstream left gotten too entrenched with large corporations and big business? Have they become the very monster that they fought, as evidenced by the huge corporate donations to the Clinton foundation and the massive political connections to the corporate media (CNN, WSJ, etc.?)

I mean, a lot of left-wing corporations-Starbucks, DISNEY, Apple, Microsoft, etc.-have the most money. And they can basically throw it at whoever disagrees with them. This is a problem.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:54 pm

Conscentia wrote:By European standards, sure. However, the Democrats are a left-wing party in the context of American politics, and I'm fairly sure they'd be recognised as such in America.

If the Dems count, the American 'left' has never not been entrenched with large corporations and big business.
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Postby The V O I D » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:55 pm

Gauliscia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
My parents didn't know I became this way, because I'm that good of a pretender.

My parents gave me a relatively normal home life. It was literally everywhere else where shit hit the fan.

But it's whatever, yeah.

Well it's not whatever because your attitudes, quite frankly, stink. Think of all the people who's hearts have been rent in twain by your deceit and villainy. Your parents, if worth their salt, should be able to see past a pretence. They know you better than yourself.


Again, you're not convincing me to care or feel guilty because I am literally incapable. That's part of my illness, son.

And you seriously overestimate parental intuition and/or seriously underestimate my ability to pretend and put on a "face."

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