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If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be?

1 - The German Empire
93
19%
2 - The French Empire
30
6%
3 - The Spanish Empire
24
5%
4 - The British Empire
117
24%
5 - The Mongol Empire
17
3%
6 - The Abbasid Caliphate
22
4%
7 - The Roman Empire
120
24%
8 - The Qing Dynasty
12
2%
9 - Imperial Japan
14
3%
10 - The Russian Empire
48
10%
 
Total votes : 497

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Postby Diopolis » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:01 pm

Ostrovshima wrote:
Dilordaopia wrote:Just nuke everyone who opposess you.
Glory to you.


That would be an ethics violation.

Also, I politely implore you to cease advocating mass murder.

Thank you.

This post makes me think your reign as ruler of the world would be as a British version of the UN.
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Postby Ostrovshima » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:04 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Ostrovshima wrote:
That would be an ethics violation.

Also, I politely implore you to cease advocating mass murder.

Thank you.

This post makes me think your reign as ruler of the world would be as a British version of the UN.


Comrade Dio, I do not wish to seem rude, but I believe that you are mistaken as to my current location and/or ethnic background. I am currently a resident of the Rust Belt in general, and the Anthracite Coal Region of Northeastern Pennsylvania in particular. My heritage is mostly Eastern and Central European.
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Postby Dilordaopia » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:09 pm

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My fellow chap of sophisticated nature, if i were to comply with your request, i would not be able to share my violent dreams of absolute obliteration of the persons i would insultingly name "pieces that compose feces".


Fine gentlemanly individual, while I am fairly certain that we have all had violent dreams, tis a possible violation of the rules of this website.

Ahah, but alas, it does not seem that it is supposed to be a direct violation, since it is not constructed in a linguistical form that is too be taken seriously.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:16 pm

Ostrovshima wrote:
Diopolis wrote:This post makes me think your reign as ruler of the world would be as a British version of the UN.


Comrade Dio, I do not wish to seem rude, but I believe that you are mistaken as to my current location and/or ethnic background. I am currently a resident of the Rust Belt in general, and the Anthracite Coal Region of Northeastern Pennsylvania in particular. My heritage is mostly Eastern and Central European.

Comrade Ostrovshima, not to undermine your point, but my assessment was based on crude stereotyping of mutable rather than your immutable characteristics, which I had no way of gathering over the internets.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:21 pm

Lavochkin wrote:Really? You're gonna slap me with a "need citation" when you gave me a boatload of crap that you didn't even read and then stated you were not going to read or argue cause it was boring?

Why not? Do you expect me to just take your word for it?

1. Mostly arguments based in speculation and supposition.
2. Ha. "Muh SJWs", "Muh microaggressions", "Muh trigger warnings", "Muh special snowflakes". Author's living in the same land of delusion as the Alt-Right neckbeards that rant about SJWs and feminists on the internet. Biased source. Has the same problems as the first, too.
3. Actually contradicts your claim. You complain that I didn't read the links I gave you, but I did in-fact give the texts a quick scan to see what they actually say.
4. Equates social security with an attitude of entitlement. Ridiculous.
5. Says only that employers believe millennials are entitled, not that they are. Actually advises against dismissing the complaints of millennial employees simply because they're "entitled". States millennials are more likely to seek new jobs for career advancement or better training rather than higher pay, which to me suggests quite the opposite of "entitlement".
Lavochkin wrote:What are you trying to say? I already said what I was trying to say.

That what you said - "Teaching people Santa exists is what will breed into people feeling entitled and eventually a welfare state" - is not true, though the discussion has apparently since gone off on a tangent.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:43 pm

Conscentia wrote:2. Ha. "Muh SJWs", "Muh microaggressions", "Muh trigger warnings", "Muh special snowflakes". Author's living in the same land of delusion as the Alt-Right neckbeards that rant about SJWs and feminists on the internet. Biased source. Has the same problems as the first, too.

It's funny, because the same people that associate this social justice stuff with this generation (which has roots back in the college academic culture of *at least* the early 90s and probably before) tends to also conveniently forget that we're also the generation who grew up connected, who watch live-streams of people committing suicide, who easily and readily recognized 'kys', who was born in the toxic sludge that is the anonymity of the online community. We're the generation who grew up calling people oldfags and newfags, a generation in which needling sensitive people became a widely recognized pastime, a generation who gets off, sometimes quite literally, on shock and titillation.

We're not perfect, by any means, nor are we some hardass WW1/WW2 veteran generation. But we're far from the ultra-obsessed sensitive pussies some in older generations, and some in our own generation (who, ironically, are a better example of the weakness and self-loathing they try to paint this generation with) try to paint us as. But because some among us don't hesitate to call out shitheads for being shitheads, we're labeled 'fragile' by people far more fragile with us, along with the minority of people in every generation who actually do think the world should be sugar-coated in marshmallow fluff, whether the conformists of the 50s, the ultra-hippies of the 60s and 70s, the moral majority fearmongers of the 80s, or the SJWs of the 90s and 2000s.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:17 am

I'd just like to say, before any serious discussion, Merry Christmas RWDT!
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Postby Lavochkin » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:38 am

Conscentia wrote:
Lavochkin wrote:What are you trying to say? I already said what I was trying to say.

That what you said - "Teaching people Santa exists is what will breed into people feeling entitled and eventually a welfare state" - is not true, though the discussion has apparently since gone off on a tangent.

I'll just start off with this one since it's the most relevant.

If you teach kids that Santa exists and gives what ever you want for Christmas as long as you act good, the kids will grow into adulthood with the mentality that you can just wish for anything and to get it or to ask other people for whatever you want. This creates a welfare state because these same kids who were taught that Santa exists and gives whatever you want to all, will turn into adults, protest when they don't get their wishes and lack the comprehension needed to why nothing in this world is free. Many Americans most likely don't know where the funds for Universal Healthcare and Free College Tuition will come from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/11/24 ... 01672.html
http://www.fa-mag.com/news/wealth-breed ... 15272.html
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/pf/coll ... e-sanders/

This also creates a generation of adults with low self-esteem, as their efforts will invariably fail or create an unexpected consequence and when your entire life mentality is based around "everybody's a winner" and your efforts to achieve something (no matter how stupid) fail, you feel bad. But do you really think they'll try and work to achieve their goals? Or do the same thing they were raised to do? Wish and pout when you don't get it. These people don't even think they lost anything because of their mentality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynda-bek ... 16502.html
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-th ... generation

Note that I'm not talking exclusively about millennials. All generations have and could be affected by this and the one reason I used the 4th article was because it talked about self-esteem in the context I was using. There are better ones but whatever.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:42 am

Lavochkin wrote:
Conscentia wrote:That what you said - "Teaching people Santa exists is what will breed into people feeling entitled and eventually a welfare state" - is not true, though the discussion has apparently since gone off on a tangent.

I'll just start off with this one since it's the most relevant.

If you teach kids that Santa exists and gives what ever you want for Christmas as long as you act good, the kids will grow into adulthood with the mentality that you can just wish for anything and to get it or to ask other people for whatever you want. This creates a welfare state because these same kids who were taught that Santa exists and gives whatever you want to all, will turn into adults, protest when they don't get their wishes and lack the comprehension needed to why nothing in this world is free. Many Americans most likely don't know where the funds for Universal Healthcare and Free College Tuition will come from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/11/24 ... 01672.html
http://www.fa-mag.com/news/wealth-breed ... 15272.html
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/pf/coll ... e-sanders/

This also creates a generation of adults with low self-esteem, as their efforts will invariably fail or create an unexpected consequence and when your entire life mentality is based around "everybody's a winner" and your efforts to achieve something (no matter how stupid) fail, you feel bad. But do you really think they'll try and work to achieve their goals? Or do the same thing they were raised to do? Wish and pout when you don't get it. These people don't even think they lost anything because of their mentality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynda-bek ... 16502.html
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-th ... generation

Note that I'm not talking exclusively about millennials. All generations have and could be affected by this and the one reason I used the 4th article was because it talked about self-esteem in the context I was using. There are better ones but whatever.

You've got to be kidding me. Dude live a little. Telling the kiddos that santa is real isn't going to turn them into entitled brats.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:45 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Lavochkin wrote:I'll just start off with this one since it's the most relevant.

If you teach kids that Santa exists and gives what ever you want for Christmas as long as you act good, the kids will grow into adulthood with the mentality that you can just wish for anything and to get it or to ask other people for whatever you want. This creates a welfare state because these same kids who were taught that Santa exists and gives whatever you want to all, will turn into adults, protest when they don't get their wishes and lack the comprehension needed to why nothing in this world is free. Many Americans most likely don't know where the funds for Universal Healthcare and Free College Tuition will come from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/11/24 ... 01672.html
http://www.fa-mag.com/news/wealth-breed ... 15272.html
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/pf/coll ... e-sanders/

This also creates a generation of adults with low self-esteem, as their efforts will invariably fail or create an unexpected consequence and when your entire life mentality is based around "everybody's a winner" and your efforts to achieve something (no matter how stupid) fail, you feel bad. But do you really think they'll try and work to achieve their goals? Or do the same thing they were raised to do? Wish and pout when you don't get it. These people don't even think they lost anything because of their mentality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynda-bek ... 16502.html
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-th ... generation

Note that I'm not talking exclusively about millennials. All generations have and could be affected by this and the one reason I used the 4th article was because it talked about self-esteem in the context I was using. There are better ones but whatever.

You've got to be kidding me. Dude live a little. Telling the kiddos that santa is real isn't going to turn them into entitled brats.

It encourages a child's imagination! A strong imagination is so important, especially when school often manages to beat it out of a good majority of every kid who goes through it, unfortunately.
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Postby Sibiri- » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:51 am

I don't mean to be that guy, but I wanna ask...

7th Thread Poll History
Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)


Which revolution guy? The October, July or February? There was several Russian Revolutions.

Just curious.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:52 am

Sibiri- wrote:I don't mean to be that guy, but I wanna ask...

7th Thread Poll History
Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)


Which revolution guy? The October, July or February? There was several Russian Revolutions.


IIRC it was the October Revolution.

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Postby Sibiri- » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:42 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Sibiri- wrote:I don't mean to be that guy, but I wanna ask...



Which revolution guy? The October, July or February? There was several Russian Revolutions.


IIRC it was the October Revolution.

You sure?

It didn't specifically stated what revolution.
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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:49 am

Since Rome seems to be winning, this could be an intriguing video to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbvrncwxzxU
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Postby Skappola » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:36 am

I'm surprised the British Empire is so popular in this poll. It's obvious why one would want to keep the Roman Empire, and the German Empire maintained a unique economic and political stability in Central Europe that, once broken, allowed for the rise of fascism in Europe. But the British Empire? What's so great about an empire built purely on colonial exploitation?
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:55 am

Skappola wrote:I'm surprised the British Empire is so popular in this poll. It's obvious why one would want to keep the Roman Empire, and the German Empire maintained a unique economic and political stability in Central Europe that, once broken, allowed for the rise of fascism in Europe. But the British Empire? What's so great about an empire built purely on colonial exploitation?


I think some may like the idea of spreading the English language, culture and the such, not to mention it gave creation to Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US Of A; some of the most prosperous nations in the last 200 years. This was why I voted for it anyhow, not to mention I couldn't rightfully let the Krauts and others win. :lol:

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:56 am

Sibiri- wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Which revolution guy? The October, July or February? There was several Russian Revolutions.


IIRC it was the October Revolution.

You sure?

It didn't specifically stated what revolution.


They were talking about stopping Communism, so I assume it is the October Revolution.

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Postby Ostrovshima » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:39 am

Merry Jusmas, Mein Comrades. Even though we all disagree with each other, I wish you all well. Even though I vehemently disagree with many of the posters in this thread, I wish them well. I care about all of you on this thread, and I hope that, whatever you celebrate, you are safe, and happy, and loved, and accepted, and at peace.

So I repeat...

Merry Jusmas, Mein Comrades.
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Recent News (January 1st, 201X): GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS~Landslide victory for Liberal Party in both houses of the National Diet~Former CEO of Nagasawa Industries, philanthropist, and politician Alexander Nagasawa elected youngest President of Ostrovshima at age 40 with 66.667% of vote.

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Postby The V O I D » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:21 am

Merry secular Christmas, everyone!

Hope everyone gets all the presents and materialistic things they asked for. I know I will! :D

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Postby Ostrovshima » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:27 am

The V O I D wrote:Merry secular Christmas, everyone!

Hope everyone gets all the presents and materialistic things they asked for. I know I will! :D


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THIS NATION PARTIALLY USES NS STATS (Is a Developed Inoffensive Centrist Democracy with a Strong IT Industry)
LOCATION: The Ostrovshiman Islands in the southwestern North Pacific
CURRENT YEAR: 201X CE
PRESIDENT: Alexander Nagasawa
GOVERNMENT TYPE: Unitary Semi-Presidential Constitutional Republic
Recent News (January 1st, 201X): GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS~Landslide victory for Liberal Party in both houses of the National Diet~Former CEO of Nagasawa Industries, philanthropist, and politician Alexander Nagasawa elected youngest President of Ostrovshima at age 40 with 66.667% of vote.

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Postby The V O I D » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:28 am

Ostrovshima wrote:
The V O I D wrote:Merry secular Christmas, everyone!

Hope everyone gets all the presents and materialistic things they asked for. I know I will! :D


I am now the proud owner of an NES Classic Edition.


Noice. I'm going to be starting gift-giving and gift-getting very soon; so excited.

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Postby Ostrovshima » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:31 am

I am unsure if this is the proper place, but would anyone like to hear about what happened at holy supper last night?
THIS IS The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord's MODERN-TECH ROLEPLAYING NATION | NEEDS A CANON TO CALL HOME
THIS NATION PARTIALLY USES NS STATS (Is a Developed Inoffensive Centrist Democracy with a Strong IT Industry)
LOCATION: The Ostrovshiman Islands in the southwestern North Pacific
CURRENT YEAR: 201X CE
PRESIDENT: Alexander Nagasawa
GOVERNMENT TYPE: Unitary Semi-Presidential Constitutional Republic
Recent News (January 1st, 201X): GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS~Landslide victory for Liberal Party in both houses of the National Diet~Former CEO of Nagasawa Industries, philanthropist, and politician Alexander Nagasawa elected youngest President of Ostrovshima at age 40 with 66.667% of vote.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:33 am

Ostrovshima wrote:I am unsure if this is the proper place, but would anyone like to hear about what happened at holy supper last night?

No Christmas spoilers pls, it's only just started for me.
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Postby Ostrovshima » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:37 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Ostrovshima wrote:I am unsure if this is the proper place, but would anyone like to hear about what happened at holy supper last night?

No Christmas spoilers pls, it's only just started for me.


Define a "Christmas spoiler".
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THIS NATION PARTIALLY USES NS STATS (Is a Developed Inoffensive Centrist Democracy with a Strong IT Industry)
LOCATION: The Ostrovshiman Islands in the southwestern North Pacific
CURRENT YEAR: 201X CE
PRESIDENT: Alexander Nagasawa
GOVERNMENT TYPE: Unitary Semi-Presidential Constitutional Republic
Recent News (January 1st, 201X): GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS~Landslide victory for Liberal Party in both houses of the National Diet~Former CEO of Nagasawa Industries, philanthropist, and politician Alexander Nagasawa elected youngest President of Ostrovshima at age 40 with 66.667% of vote.

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Postby Novoserbistan » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:37 am

In my country it's not Christmas today, so today was actually a very busy working day for me.
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