Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

[Camaalbakrius]

I blame premature dementia for this idea even coming to fruition.

First of all, be careful. Just my advice.

Second of all, yes.

[White Chrobatia]

Yeah, Heaven help us if we try to even the playing field.

So you support Segregation?

(I wonder how many people can't differentiate between a real point of view and sarcasm)

[Greater Slavic Union]

There are two types of discrimination, and one of these types is called "Structural Discrimination". It means that something which is made in order to give equality actually discriminates, an example could be the minimum height for people to serve in a military: if this is put at, let's say, 1,90 meters, then most of women are going to be excluded, even in a country with a high women-height average.

This proposal of some women-only hour(s) in university gyms is, indeed, a Structural Discrimination, as it:
a. Creates different times for the two genders, thus SEPARATING them
b. Makes impossible to men to train in certain hours of the day.
c. Highly encourages women to train ONLY during such hours, thus DESCORAGING them to it in mixed hours, lowering the number doing so, and creating a sort of "training ghetto".

Now I am going to ask you something: white people may be intimidated by a huge group of black people training, as they have higher muscular mass and son. Would we put whites-only hour(s) at the gym? No. Then should it happen for women? If this happened some 100 years ago, feminists would have been saying "GIVE MIXED HOURS!" "NO MORE SEPARATION IN GYMS!" and so on.

So no, No, NO!

As far as I can sede, nobody even Trieste to prove me wrong... Maybe that's because this point can't be proved as such?

[Squidysquid]

See, I've never actually heard someone calling it toxic femininity, but think: being called girly or saying someone does something "like a girl" is considered insulting, and many women (especially in gender studies, which is a stupid course) are taught that being feminine is undesirable or bad. If a girl is suicidal or self-harms, often she may be afraid to get because people will accuse her of being a drama whore.

I'd say it does exist, but no one ever calls it "toxic femininity" like we do with "toxic masculinity"

Then my point still stands.

I disagree. It exists, it just isn't called toxic femininity. Pickup trucks exist in the UK, they're just called lorries.

[Tekeristan]

No.
It messes up people's schedules.

But hey, what about a men's only hour at the gym?

[Camaalbakrius]

There are two types of discrimination, and one of these types is called "Structural Discrimination". It means that something which is made in order to give equality actually discriminates, an example could be the minimum height for people to serve in a military: if this is put at, let's say, 1,90 meters, then most of women are going to be excluded, even in a country with a high women-height average.

This proposal of some women-only hour(s) in university gyms is, indeed, a Structural Discrimination, as it:
a. Creates different times for the two genders, thus SEPARATING them
b. Makes impossible to men to train in certain hours of the day.
c. Highly encourages women to train ONLY during such hours, thus DESCORAGING them to it in mixed hours, lowering the number doing so, and creating a sort of "training ghetto".

Now I am going to ask you something: white people may be intimidated by a huge group of black people training, as they have higher muscular mass and son. Would we put whites-only hour(s) at the gym? No. Then should it happen for women? If this happened some 100 years ago, feminists would have been saying "GIVE MIXED HOURS!" "NO MORE SEPARATION IN GYMS!" and so on.

So no, No, NO!

As far as I can sede, nobody even Trieste to prove me wrong... Maybe that's because this point can't be proved as such?

If your point is worth addressing, Chessmistress will not address it.

[New haven america]

So you support Segregation?

(I wonder how many people can't differentiate between a real point of view and sarcasm)

You do know that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, right?

Unless you're really good at, it will get taken seriously by most posters on the site. *Nod*

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

There are two types of discrimination, and one of these types is called "Structural Discrimination". It means that something which is made in order to give equality actually discriminates, an example could be the minimum height for people to serve in a military: if this is put at, let's say, 1,90 meters, then most of women are going to be excluded, even in a country with a high women-height average.

This proposal of some women-only hour(s) in university gyms is, indeed, a Structural Discrimination, as it:
a. Creates different times for the two genders, thus SEPARATING them
b. Makes impossible to men to train in certain hours of the day.
c. Highly encourages women to train ONLY during such hours, thus DESCORAGING them to it in mixed hours, lowering the number doing so, and creating a sort of "training ghetto".

Now I am going to ask you something: white people may be intimidated by a huge group of black people training, as they have higher muscular mass and son. Would we put whites-only hour(s) at the gym? No. Then should it happen for women? If this happened some 100 years ago, feminists would have been saying "GIVE MIXED HOURS!" "NO MORE SEPARATION IN GYMS!" and so on.

So no, No, NO!

As far as I can sede, nobody even Trieste to prove me wrong... Maybe that's because this point can't be proved as such?

Well people don't tend to argue against blatant truth. Unless they're Chessmistress

[Mergloria]

I blame premature dementia for this idea even coming to fruition.

First of all, be careful. Just my advice.

Second of all, yes.

I love you.

Seriously, though, this thread needs to be shut down.

[Blue Pinkerton]

As far as I can sede, nobody even Trieste to prove me wrong... Maybe that's because this point can't be proved as such?

Well people don't tend to argue against blatant truth. Unless they're Chessmistress

good golly the edge

[White Chrobatia]

(I wonder how many people can't differentiate between a real point of view and sarcasm)

You do know that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, right?

Unless you're really good at, it will get taken seriously by most posters on the site. *Nod*

Are you saying that I'm bad at something? Sexist!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

At this point we might as well just have a penguin-only hour at the gym, you know, since they can't fly.

The issue is, in fact, very simple: you can't be against women-only times at the gym while being in favor of women-only times at the pool.
It's a logical path, and when you accept women-only hours at the pool then it's just a matter of time before you accept even women-only hours at the gym.
The details about extremely debatable differences in clothing and purely fictional differences in the level of interaction hold no water: the meaning of having women-only hours at the pool is meeting the needs of women who want be free to practice without having the male gaze over them.
That is.
And it's the same even for women-only hours at the gym.

I actually don't accept women-only hours at a pool.

So I guess I must be a patriarchal asshole over here.

So I am sorry I haven't been listening to you properly, I just couldn't hear you over the sound of my patriarchy.

[Mergloria]

Yeah, you misogynist pig. I bet you go to the gym.

[New haven america]

You do know that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, right?

Unless you're really good at, it will get taken seriously by most posters on the site. *Nod*

Are you saying that I'm bad at something? Sexist!

Hey, just because I wake up every morning rubbing my hands together like a James Bond villain, exclaiming how I want to find new ways to oppress women and make them slaves to the Patriarchy, doesn't mean I'm sexist.

I swear, I've been over this before...

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Well people don't tend to argue against blatant truth. Unless they're Chessmistress

good golly the edge

[New haven america]

good golly the edge

That song is actually really good and it saddens me that it gets taken out of context so often.

[Camaalbakrius]

First of all, be careful. Just my advice.

Second of all, yes.

I love you.

Seriously, though, this thread needs to be shut down.

I love you too. No Homo though.
im a straight white male.

I can just feel the triggering already

[Chessmistress]

Well people don't tend to argue against blatant truth. Unless they're Chessmistress

It may be due "blatant truth" doesn't exist unless we're having a discussion about math.
Women being unable to vote was considered "blatant truth" not a long ago...

[Ormata]

Well people don't tend to argue against blatant truth. Unless they're Chessmistress

It may be due "blatant truth" doesn't exist unless we're having a discussion about math.
Women being unable to vote was considered "blatant truth" not a long ago...

So you will or will not discuss and reply to those who have critiqued you, instead of replying to only very, very specific individuals?

[Camaalbakrius]

Well people don't tend to argue against blatant truth. Unless they're Chessmistress

It may be due "blatant truth" doesn't exist unless we're having a discussion about math.
Women being unable to vote was considered "blatant truth" not a long ago...

Hey. Homo-Stultus. Women couldnt vote a long time ago. It was a blatant truth. THATS WHY PEOPLE TRIED TO CHANGE IT.

Youre mixing blatant truth with absolute truth.

Why do I even try to talk to you? Its like talking to a wall. And I speak for everyone here

[Chessmistress]

The issue is, in fact, very simple: you can't be against women-only times at the gym while being in favor of women-only times at the pool.
It's a logical path, and when you accept women-only hours at the pool then it's just a matter of time before you accept even women-only hours at the gym.
The details about extremely debatable differences in clothing and purely fictional differences in the level of interaction hold no water: the meaning of having women-only hours at the pool is meeting the needs of women who want be free to practice without having the male gaze over them.
That is.
And it's the same even for women-only hours at the gym.

I actually don't accept women-only hours at a pool.

So I guess I must be a patriarchal asshole over here.

So I am sorry I haven't been listening to you properly, I just couldn't hear you over the sound of my patriarchy.

Don't you feel ashamed, at least a little, while admitting of being a patriarchal asshole?

[Camaalbakrius]

I actually don't accept women-only hours at a pool.

So I guess I must be a patriarchal asshole over here.

So I am sorry I haven't been listening to you properly, I just couldn't hear you over the sound of my patriarchy.

Don't you feel ashamed, at least a little, while admitting of being a patriarchal asshole?

"Dont you feel ashamed" Good Lord help this person.

[Chessmistress]

It may be due "blatant truth" doesn't exist unless we're having a discussion about math.
Women being unable to vote was considered "blatant truth" not a long ago...

Hey. Homo-Stultus. Women couldnt vote a long time ago. It was a blatant truth. THATS WHY PEOPLE TRIED TO CHANGE IT.

Youre mixing blatant truth with absolute truth.

Why do I even try to talk to you? Its like talking to a wall. And I speak for everyone here

My bad.
Bad wording.
I meant:
Women being considered unfit to vote was considered a "blatant truth" not a long ago...
We've made some progress since then, we're going to made some further progress.

[Mergloria]

I actually don't accept women-only hours at a pool.

So I guess I must be a patriarchal asshole over here.

So I am sorry I haven't been listening to you properly, I just couldn't hear you over the sound of my patriarchy.

Don't you feel ashamed, at least a little, while admitting of being a patriarchal asshole?

No one disagrees with him. You are so biased and radical, hence why you started this thread and support the idea presented. If being against segregation makes us assholes, then so be it. You're literally trying to devolve society and bring divisive policies back. Fuck you.

[Engleberg]

Hey. Homo-Stultus. Women couldnt vote a long time ago. It was a blatant truth. THATS WHY PEOPLE TRIED TO CHANGE IT.

Youre mixing blatant truth with absolute truth.

Why do I even try to talk to you? Its like talking to a wall. And I speak for everyone here

My bad.
Bad wording.
I meant:
Women being considered unfit to vote was considered a "blatant truth" not a long ago...
We've made some progress since then, we're going to made some further progress.

Chess, your arguments and posts are not helping your cause.

If anything you're making people hate them even more, and note even consider them. Like me, I was neutral to what you say - and now I can't even read what you say without not having any respect.