Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

[Camaalbakrius]

Men cant make arguments because patriarchy

Dr. Benjamin Woo of Journalism and Communications will speak on: Angry Young Nerds: Geek Culture and Toxic Masculinities. November 29, 2016 1:00-2:20 Room 2017DT

I guess that Dr. Benjamin Woo is a man. A good ally.

Of all the arguments I have made, you address the statement I meant as a joke? Youre reaching new lows here

[New haven america]

>enters thread
>sees womyn instead of women to prevent saying men
>laughs hysterically

The ironic part is that back about 150+ years ago, people used to spell "Women" as "Womyn" to try to separate them from men, who at the time were considered stronger, smarter, and worth more socially and economically than women. It was a spelling used to show that females are worth less than males are.

And Chess is voluntarily using Womyn.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Men cant make arguments because patriarchy

Dr. Benjamin Woo of Journalism and Communications will speak on: Angry Young Nerds: Geek Culture and Toxic Masculinities. November 29, 2016 1:00-2:20 Room 2017DT

I guess that Dr. Benjamin Woo is a man. A good ally.

[Camaalbakrius]

Toxic masculinities? Man hate. Thats all ot is. Dont try to deny it.

I personally think toxic masculinity is a thing, and a bad thing. I've seen guys go through so much pressure to conform to "masculinity" that they end up breaking down. There are a ton of good qualities in being masculine, that's so true, but toxic masculinity is the type of masculinity that, for example, makes it harder for men to want to admit or get help for depression or another mental health issue, and receive help for it, or for male rape and domestic abuse victims to share their experiences without being called "weak" There's not a lot of pressure for women to be either masculine or feminine, but for men there's still a lot of pressure to be masculine, and they get laughed at for being feminine. Why would you be against that?

Does toxic feminism exist? Do they teach that there is a toxic part of being feminine in the same way that there is toxic parts of being masculine? Im being serious, because if it is true, then I have never heard it. If not, then it seems that when they came up with the idea, they had "men" specifically in mind

[Chessmistress]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism

Sexism is discrimination against people due to their perceived gender, biological sex, or both. Sexism can take the form of blatant discrimination such as only assuming men are qualified to do particular work, or thinking women are best at home with the children, or far more subtle views about the value of particular genders as friends, co-workers, or simple humans.

Far and away, women experience the most blatant forms of sexism, the most outright of which is pure misogyny. While not legally barred from any particular position in the "Western world", women face extreme discrimination in positions of power such as political office, upper management in corporations, the medical field and academic fields. Even such areas as publication, directing television or movies, or being recognized for personal achievements show marked discrimination against women in those areas. In the United States, 31% of women have claimed harassment by co-workers including superiors [2], compared to 7% of men in the workplace, though this number is growing as women move into more positions of power[3].

Discrimination against men is not unheard of, though it's uncommon and is somewhat different from that which is experienced by women. Men, traditionally, experience this kind of discrimination when they attempt to step into traditionally female roles, such as nurses, elementary teachers or stay-at-home parents. Men also fare somewhat poorly in child custody battles, since it is still a common practice to give children to the mother unless the father can show clear reasons why this is a bad choice.

Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

[Mergloria]

This whole thing is fucking retarded and feminism needs to die before it fully bleeds into our government and turns the U.S. into a modern patriarchy where men aren't even allowed to call their female partners "baby" because it signifies weakness and is considered an insult to Her Highness.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

This whole thing is fucking retarded and feminism needs to die before it fully bleeds into our government and turns the U.S. into a modern patriarchy where men aren't even allowed to call their female partners "baby" because it signifies weakness and is considered an insult to Her Highness.

Every one here was trying to AVOID out right saying it!!!

[New Axiom]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism

Sexism is discrimination against people due to their perceived gender, biological sex, or both. Sexism can take the form of blatant discrimination such as only assuming men are qualified to do particular work, or thinking women are best at home with the children, or far more subtle views about the value of particular genders as friends, co-workers, or simple humans.

Far and away, women experience the most blatant forms of sexism, the most outright of which is pure misogyny. While not legally barred from any particular position in the "Western world", women face extreme discrimination in positions of power such as political office, upper management in corporations, the medical field and academic fields. Even such areas as publication, directing television or movies, or being recognized for personal achievements show marked discrimination against women in those areas. In the United States, 31% of women have claimed harassment by co-workers including superiors [2], compared to 7% of men in the workplace, though this number is growing as women move into more positions of power[3].

Discrimination against men is not unheard of, though it's uncommon and is somewhat different from that which is experienced by women. Men, traditionally, experience this kind of discrimination when they attempt to step into traditionally female roles, such as nurses, elementary teachers or stay-at-home parents. Men also fare somewhat poorly in child custody battles, since it is still a common practice to give children to the mother unless the father can show clear reasons why this is a bad choice.

Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

A women only policy is discriminative against men, since it doesn't allow them to use the gym when they would otherwise be able to. So it is sexist.

[New haven america]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism

Sexism is discrimination against people due to their perceived gender, biological sex, or both. Sexism can take the form of blatant discrimination such as only assuming men are qualified to do particular work, or thinking women are best at home with the children, or far more subtle views about the value of particular genders as friends, co-workers, or simple humans.

Far and away, women experience the most blatant forms of sexism, the most outright of which is pure misogyny. While not legally barred from any particular position in the "Western world", women face extreme discrimination in positions of power such as political office, upper management in corporations, the medical field and academic fields. Even such areas as publication, directing television or movies, or being recognized for personal achievements show marked discrimination against women in those areas. In the United States, 31% of women have claimed harassment by co-workers including superiors [2], compared to 7% of men in the workplace, though this number is growing as women move into more positions of power[3].

Discrimination against men is not unheard of, though it's uncommon and is somewhat different from that which is experienced by women. Men, traditionally, experience this kind of discrimination when they attempt to step into traditionally female roles, such as nurses, elementary teachers or stay-at-home parents. Men also fare somewhat poorly in child custody battles, since it is still a common practice to give children to the mother unless the father can show clear reasons why this is a bad choice.

Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

Even though what you stated is blatantly false, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe a large portion of women don't like working out or going to the gym?

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding? No you didn't, that's too logical of an idea.

[Camaalbakrius]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism

Sexism is discrimination against people due to their perceived gender, biological sex, or both. Sexism can take the form of blatant discrimination such as only assuming men are qualified to do particular work, or thinking women are best at home with the children, or far more subtle views about the value of particular genders as friends, co-workers, or simple humans.

Far and away, women experience the most blatant forms of sexism, the most outright of which is pure misogyny. While not legally barred from any particular position in the "Western world", women face extreme discrimination in positions of power such as political office, upper management in corporations, the medical field and academic fields. Even such areas as publication, directing television or movies, or being recognized for personal achievements show marked discrimination against women in those areas. In the United States, 31% of women have claimed harassment by co-workers including superiors [2], compared to 7% of men in the workplace, though this number is growing as women move into more positions of power[3].

Discrimination against men is not unheard of, though it's uncommon and is somewhat different from that which is experienced by women. Men, traditionally, experience this kind of discrimination when they attempt to step into traditionally female roles, such as nurses, elementary teachers or stay-at-home parents. Men also fare somewhat poorly in child custody battles, since it is still a common practice to give children to the mother unless the father can show clear reasons why this is a bad choice.

Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

Heres the flaw in your logic: if you think women should have time at the gym without men because it is male dominated, then you should encourage more women to go to the gym. It isnt like women arent allowed there. If rhere are more men at the gym, then it is probably because more men would rather be at the gym than women. If they dont want to go in the first place, then having the only woman hour would be pointless

[Proctopeo]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism

Sexism is discrimination against people due to their perceived gender, biological sex, or both. Sexism can take the form of blatant discrimination such as only assuming men are qualified to do particular work, or thinking women are best at home with the children, or far more subtle views about the value of particular genders as friends, co-workers, or simple humans.

Far and away, women experience the most blatant forms of sexism, the most outright of which is pure misogyny. While not legally barred from any particular position in the "Western world", women face extreme discrimination in positions of power such as political office, upper management in corporations, the medical field and academic fields. Even such areas as publication, directing television or movies, or being recognized for personal achievements show marked discrimination against women in those areas. In the United States, 31% of women have claimed harassment by co-workers including superiors [2], compared to 7% of men in the workplace, though this number is growing as women move into more positions of power[3].

Discrimination against men is not unheard of, though it's uncommon and is somewhat different from that which is experienced by women. Men, traditionally, experience this kind of discrimination when they attempt to step into traditionally female roles, such as nurses, elementary teachers or stay-at-home parents. Men also fare somewhat poorly in child custody battles, since it is still a common practice to give children to the mother unless the father can show clear reasons why this is a bad choice.

Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

>rationalwiki
I see your biased source and raise you the dictionary.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sexism

sexism
NOUN

[mass noun] Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex

Note the use of the word typically - that is, not just against women. And if the OED alone isn't enough for you,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism

1
: prejudice or discrimination based on sex

I left out the "especially", but mostly so I didn't have to go and italicize it.

[Camaalbakrius]

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism



Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

Even though what you stated is blatantly false, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe a large portion of women don't like working out or going to the gym?

Of course not. That would prove her point wrong

[Greater Slavic Union]

There are two types of discrimination, and one of these types is called "Structural Discrimination". It means that something which is made in order to give equality actually discriminates, an example could be the minimum height for people to serve in a military: if this is put at, let's say, 1,90 meters, then most of women are going to be excluded, even in a country with a high women-height average.

This proposal of some women-only hour(s) in university gyms is, indeed, a Structural Discrimination, as it:
a. Creates different times for the two genders, thus SEPARATING them
b. Makes impossible to men to train in certain hours of the day.
c. Highly encourages women to train ONLY during such hours, thus DESCORAGING them to it in mixed hours, lowering the number doing so, and creating a sort of "training ghetto".

Now I am going to ask you something: white people may be intimidated by a huge group of black people training, as they have higher muscular mass and son. Would we put whites-only hour(s) at the gym? No. Then should it happen for women? If this happened some 100 years ago, feminists would have been saying "GIVE MIXED HOURS!" "NO MORE SEPARATION IN GYMS!" and so on.

So no, No, NO!

[White Chrobatia]

Tbh I feel like there should be a woman-only hour (or even a few hours) but also that there should be man-only hours too.

Well what I actually believe is that the government shouldn't intervene and instead gyms should choose this stuff on their own, but that I would preferably go to a gym that is woman-only or has woman-only hours.

[Blue Pinkerton]

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism



Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

Even though what you stated is blatantly false, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe a large portion of women don't like working out or going to the gym?

What kind of counter-argument is this? Try harder.

[Mergloria]

I can't believe this even exists.

[Camaalbakrius]

You can say "no", but your explanation isn't good.

Even if we accept the idea that sexism against men can be a thing, still it isn't sexism:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sexism



Gyms are already male-dominated.
Hence why a single hour in order to promote women participation is the very opposite of sexism.

>rationalwiki
I see your biased source and raise you the dictionary.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sexism

sexism
NOUN

[mass noun] Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex

Note the use of the word typically - that is, not just against women. And if the OED alone isn't enough for you,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism

1
: prejudice or discrimination based on sex

I left out the "especially", but mostly so I didn't have to go and italicize it.

Your Oxford English Dictionary will mean nothing compared to her 5 second google search am I right?

[New haven america]

I can't believe this even exists.

Get used to it. *Nod*

Welcome to NS, you'll be here forever.

[Squidysquid]

I personally think toxic masculinity is a thing, and a bad thing. I've seen guys go through so much pressure to conform to "masculinity" that they end up breaking down. There are a ton of good qualities in being masculine, that's so true, but toxic masculinity is the type of masculinity that, for example, makes it harder for men to want to admit or get help for depression or another mental health issue, and receive help for it, or for male rape and domestic abuse victims to share their experiences without being called "weak" There's not a lot of pressure for women to be either masculine or feminine, but for men there's still a lot of pressure to be masculine, and they get laughed at for being feminine. Why would you be against that?

Does toxic feminism exist? Do they teach that there is a toxic part of being feminine in the same way that there is toxic parts of being masculine? Im being serious, because if it is true, then I have never heard it. If not, then it seems that when they came up with the idea, they had "men" specifically in mind

See, I've never actually heard someone calling it toxic femininity, but think: being called girly or saying someone does something "like a girl" is considered insulting, and many women (especially in gender studies, which is a stupid course) are taught that being feminine is undesirable or bad. If a girl is suicidal or self-harms, often she may be afraid to get because people will accuse her of being a drama whore.

I'd say it does exist, but no one ever calls it "toxic femininity" like we do with "toxic masculinity"

[Proctopeo]

>rationalwiki
I see your biased source and raise you the dictionary.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sexism


Note the use of the word typically - that is, not just against women. And if the OED alone isn't enough for you,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism



I left out the "especially", but mostly so I didn't have to go and italicize it.

Your Oxford English Dictionary will mean nothing compared to her 5 second google search am I right?

Everyone knows that the dictionary is sexist. [/sarcasm]

[White Chrobatia]

I can't believe this even exists.

Get used to it. *Nod*

Yeah, Heaven help us if we try to even the playing field.

[Mergloria]

I blame premature dementia for this idea even coming to fruition.

[Camaalbakrius]

Does toxic feminism exist? Do they teach that there is a toxic part of being feminine in the same way that there is toxic parts of being masculine? Im being serious, because if it is true, then I have never heard it. If not, then it seems that when they came up with the idea, they had "men" specifically in mind

See, I've never actually heard someone calling it toxic femininity, but think: being called girly or saying someone does something "like a girl" is considered insulting, and many women (especially in gender studies, which is a stupid course) are taught that being feminine is undesirable or bad. If a girl is suicidal or self-harms, often she may be afraid to get because people will accuse her of being a drama whore.

I'd say it does exist, but no one ever calls it "toxic femininity" like we do with "toxic masculinity"

Then my point still stands.

[New haven america]

Get used to it. *Nod*

Yeah, Heaven help us if we try to even the playing field.

So you support Segregation?

[Mergloria]

Get used to it. *Nod*

Yeah, Heaven help us if we try to even the playing field.

You call THIS "evening the playing field?" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!