Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

[Thermodolia]

Who has women only hours at pools? That's just as stupid if not more so

Carleton University already have a lot of women-only classes and events, I previously linked to it.
Their Womyn's Centre is doing a very good job.

That's insane and fucking stupid. If they want a woman only space go to a woman only school not a fucking co-ed one!!!

[Camaalbakrius]

And these women went to a co-ed school why, exactly?

They either wanted the attention of being a feminist or they couldn't afford anywhere else because of capitalist greed.

I loved Greed. He was my favorite homunculus.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

They either wanted the attention of being a feminist or they couldn't afford anywhere else because of capitalist greed.

I loved Greed. He was my favorite homunculus.

I cant believe you just made me look up homunculus

[Dalvius]

Who has women only hours at pools? That's just as stupid if not more so

Carleton University already have a lot of women-only classes and events, I previously linked to it.
Their Womyn's Centre is doing a very good job.

That's so stupid.
Let me guess.
is one of those Gender Studies?

[Thermodolia]

Carleton University already have a lot of women-only classes and events, I previously linked to it.
Their Womyn's Centre is doing a very good job.

That's so stupid.
Let me guess.
is one of those Gender Studies?

That would probably end as a woman only class by default

[Squidysquid]

I was reading such article
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editor ... -good-idea

Imagine you’re going to the university gym for the first time, perhaps after making a New Year’s resolution to get yourself in shape. You don’t know much about how to use the equipment, and when you walk in, the entire football team is there lifting weights. It’s probably intimidating.

Now, consider what this might feel like for a young woman. Or how it would feel for a young woman who’s also religiously observant, and wearing conspicuously modest clothing.

If you can put yourself in this person’s runners, you’ll have a sense of why the Carleton University Students’ Association, the Muslim Students’ Association, the Graduate Students’ Association and a residence association are asking that the gym at Carleton University reserve one hour per day for women only.

There has been backlash to this suggestion, with some opponents claiming the initiative is sexist. Yet it’s a bit odd that the grievance is being raised; after all, the school’s pool already has women-only swim times. It’s the same principle.

There is an inherent value in encouraging more people to get interested in fitness. While body image isn’t just a women’s issue, it does affect more women than men: according to a 2014 parliamentary committee report, for instance, roughly 80 per cent of all eating disorders are found in girls or women.

Contrary to what opponents argue, this gym proposal is not sexism or segregation. It’s a perfectly reasonable accommodation, a minimal imposition in order to make a diverse community comfortable. True, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles. But it is its role to encourage fitness and ensure that as many people as possible are participating. This measure would help.

We should be leery of enforced religious modesty, but also recognize that religious modesty isn’t necessarily coerced. Young university-educated women are likely to be making their own choices on such matters. And other young women may simply prefer not to be working out with the entire men’s basketball team hefting weights around them. (There’s a reason private women-only fitness facilities, such as Curves, exist.) Opponents of this proposal should be asking what they’re doing that is making their fellow classmates uncomfortable at the gym.

Other universities, with more than one gym, have resolved the issue fairly easily. At Carleton, there’s only one, however. But reserved times work for the pool, so they can work here as well.

And if this proposal gets more young women – of any faith or culture – to spend time on fitness, it’s worth the small compromise involved.

Emphasis mine.
Worth noting even the words under the photo

Sydney is the program coordinator at CU Students Association Womyn's Centre and they are campaigning for a women-only hour at the gym. Response has been mostly positive, but some posters were torn down and vandalized.

So, basically, we have, at Carleton University, the Womyn's Centre making a perfectly reasonable demand, having positive responses, but then being attacked and harassed by unknown misogynists: pretty coward, isn't it?

Personally I think that that the Womyn's Centre demand is not just only perfectly reasonable but it should be the standard policy within universities: a women-only hour at the gym, each day. I even think that it would be a very good idea for every gym, not just only within universities.

What do you think NSGs?

"Imagine you’re going to the university gym for the first time, perhaps after making a New Year’s resolution to get yourself in shape. You don’t know much about how to use the equipment, and when you walk in, the entire football team is there lifting weights. It’s probably intimidating.

Now, consider what this might feel like for a young woman. Or how it would feel for a young woman who’s also religiously observant, and wearing conspicuously modest clothing. "

As a young women, and one who tends to wear a baggy band t-shirt and longer shorts, an outfit I'm sure almost everyone would consider "conspicuously modest" (thank you body insecurity!), I would be absolutely fine with being surrounded by guys, even if they know how to use the equipment and I don't. If you aren't, you are the problem and you don't need a special "women's-only" hour, you need to learn how to deal with the problem, whether that means coming back at a different time, or finding the root cause of the problem and taking steps to eliminate it.

"Contrary to what opponents argue, this gym proposal is not sexism or segregation. It’s a perfectly reasonable accommodation, a minimal imposition in order to make a diverse community comfortable. True, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles. But it is its role to encourage fitness and ensure that as many people as possible are participating. This measure would help."

No, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles, and it shouldn't insert itself by putting this new policy into expect. Diversity is fine and all, but in order to make a diverse community comfortable, you need to tear down walls between different people, not build them up and reinforce them with sexist or segregationist policies.

[Camaalbakrius]

I loved Greed. He was my favorite homunculus.

I cant believe you just made me look up homunculus

Im guessing that means you dont know who Greed is

[Camaalbakrius]

I was reading such article
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editor ... -good-idea



Emphasis mine.
Worth noting even the words under the photo


So, basically, we have, at Carleton University, the Womyn's Centre making a perfectly reasonable demand, having positive responses, but then being attacked and harassed by unknown misogynists: pretty coward, isn't it?

Personally I think that that the Womyn's Centre demand is not just only perfectly reasonable but it should be the standard policy within universities: a women-only hour at the gym, each day. I even think that it would be a very good idea for every gym, not just only within universities.

What do you think NSGs?

"Imagine you’re going to the university gym for the first time, perhaps after making a New Year’s resolution to get yourself in shape. You don’t know much about how to use the equipment, and when you walk in, the entire football team is there lifting weights. It’s probably intimidating.

Now, consider what this might feel like for a young woman. Or how it would feel for a young woman who’s also religiously observant, and wearing conspicuously modest clothing. "

As a young women, and one who tends to wear a baggy band t-shirt and longer shorts, an outfit I'm sure almost everyone would consider "conspicuously modest" (thank you body insecurity!), I would be absolutely fine with being surrounded by guys, even if they know how to use the equipment and I don't. If you aren't, you are the problem and you don't need a special "women's-only" hour, you need to learn how to deal with the problem, whether that means coming back at a different time, or finding the root cause of the problem and taking steps to eliminate it.

"Contrary to what opponents argue, this gym proposal is not sexism or segregation. It’s a perfectly reasonable accommodation, a minimal imposition in order to make a diverse community comfortable. True, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles. But it is its role to encourage fitness and ensure that as many people as possible are participating. This measure would help."

No, it isn’t the role of a university fitness facility to insert itself into societal debates about religion and gender roles, and it shouldn't insert itself by putting this new policy into expect. Diversity is fine and all, but in order to make a diverse community comfortable, you need to tear down walls between different people, not build them up and reinforce them with sexist or segregationist policies.

Be careful. Arguments like those are sure to receive a stern ignoring from Chessmistress. Its happened to me to.

[Chessmistress]

Carleton University already have a lot of women-only classes and events, I previously linked to it.
Their Womyn's Centre is doing a very good job.

That's so stupid.
Let me guess.
is one of those Gender Studies?

What's bad or stupid about that?

Women's and Gender Studies, The Pauline Jewett Institute, to be exact.

They have interesting programs and events - in example:

Dr. Benjamin Woo of Journalism and Communications will speak on: Angry Young Nerds: Geek Culture and Toxic Masculinities. November 29, 2016 1:00-2:20 Room 2017DT

https://carleton.ca/womensstudies/2016/ ... lecture-2/

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

you know part of a successful argument is having the opposition agree with you. Maybe if you used some male references to back up your claims then maybe......oh wait never mind.

[Camaalbakrius]

That's so stupid.
Let me guess.
is one of those Gender Studies?

What's bad or stupid about that?

Women's and Gender Studies, The Pauline Jewett Institute, to be exact.

They have interesting programs and events - in example:

Dr. Benjamin Woo of Journalism and Communications will speak on: Angry Young Nerds: Geek Culture and Toxic Masculinities. November 29, 2016 1:00-2:20 Room 2017DT

https://carleton.ca/womensstudies/2016/ ... lecture-2/

Why is it that Gender studies is always specific to women? If it did teach about men, im sure it is just BS about the patriarchy and other illogical crap that makes you come out of college dumber than when you went in. Toxic masculinities? Man hate. Thats all ot is. Dont try to deny it.

[Camaalbakrius]

you know part of a successful argument is having the opposition agree with you. Maybe if you used some male references to back up your claims then maybe......oh wait never mind.

Men cant make arguments because patriarchy

[Camaalbakrius]

Carleton University already have a lot of women-only classes and events, I previously linked to it.
Their Womyn's Centre is doing a very good job.

That's so stupid.
Let me guess.
is one of those Gender Studies?

Gender studies is what is keeping people from being able to get jobs. And when you dont get the job because you majored in gender studies, you blame the patriarchy rather than your own incompetence because playing the blame game is the only thing you learned in college

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

[Aboveland]

>enters thread
>sees womyn instead of women to prevent saying men
>laughs hysterically

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

>enters thread
>sees womyn instead of women to prevent saying men
>laughs hysterically

I didn't even notice it.

[Greater Slavic Union]

There are two types of discrimination, and one of these types is called "Structural Discrimination". It means that something which is made in order to give equality actually discriminates, an example could be the minimum height for people to serve in a military: if this is put at, let's say, 1,90 meters, then most of women are going to be excluded, even in a country with a high women-height average.

This proposal of some women-only hour(s) in university gyms is, indeed, a Structural Discrimination, as it:
a. Creates different times for the two genders, thus SEPARATING them
b. Makes impossible to men to train in certain hours of the day.
c. Highly encourages women to train ONLY during such hours, thus DESCORAGING them to it in mixed hours, lowering the number doing so, and creating a sort of "training ghetto".

Now I am going to ask you something: white people may be intimidated by a huge group of black people training, as they have higher muscular mass and son. Would we put whites-only hour(s) at the gym? No. Then should it happen for women? If this happened some 100 years ago, feminists would have been saying "GIVE MIXED HOURS!" "NO MORE SEPARATION IN GYMS!" and so on.

So no, No, NO!

[Camaalbakrius]

(Image)

Thank you, you're too kind. But it is unnecessary. Chessmistress will be too busy actually attending to her burn wounds to notice the picture

[Dalvius]

That's so stupid.
Let me guess.
is one of those Gender Studies?

What's bad or stupid about that?

Women's and Gender Studies, The Pauline Jewett Institute, to be exact.

They have interesting programs and events - in example:

Dr. Benjamin Woo of Journalism and Communications will speak on: Angry Young Nerds: Geek Culture and Toxic Masculinities. November 29, 2016 1:00-2:20 Room 2017DT

https://carleton.ca/womensstudies/2016/ ... lecture-2/

Toxic masculinity isn't exactly a real thing, and I was kidding about the Gender Studies thing.

[Costa Fierro]

Perhaps because they aren't protesting and asking for a men-only hour?

Because people like you would march down there and scream "SEXIST PIGS" at the men protesting?

Perhaps because women don't stare at men and that's why men aren't protesting and asking for a men-only hour?

Women do stare, probably as much as men do. Difference is that guys probably like it a lot more than women do, because one of the main reasons why men go to the gym is to get fit so women will notice them. Why would someone protest the effects of their changes in their physique which are there largely to get women's attention? That doesn't make sense.

And let's be honest, not all women are one of those "OMG STARE RAPE" types of people. I imagine quite a few of them appreciate the attention.

[Camaalbakrius]

Perhaps because they aren't protesting and asking for a men-only hour?

Because people like you would march down there and scream "SEXIST PIGS" at the men protesting?

Perhaps because women don't stare at men and that's why men aren't protesting and asking for a men-only hour?

Women do stare, probably as much as men do. Difference is that guys probably like it a lot more than women do, because one of the main reasons why men go to the gym is to get fit so women will notice them. Why would someone protest the effects of their changes in their physique which are there largely to get women's attention? That doesn't make sense.

And let's be honest, not all women are one of those "OMG STARE RAPE" types of people. I imagine quite a few of them appreciate the attention.

Trust me fellow, her questions were directed at me. If she didn't answer my responses, she won't answer yours.

[New Axiom]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Can I say no, becuase this is sexist?

You see ivan you can say what ever you want...doesn't mean she will listen.

[Chessmistress]

you know part of a successful argument is having the opposition agree with you. Maybe if you used some male references to back up your claims then maybe......oh wait never mind.

Men cant make arguments because patriarchy

Dr. Benjamin Woo of Journalism and Communications will speak on: Angry Young Nerds: Geek Culture and Toxic Masculinities. November 29, 2016 1:00-2:20 Room 2017DT

I guess that Dr. Benjamin Woo is a man. A good ally.

[Squidysquid]

Toxic masculinities? Man hate. Thats all ot is. Dont try to deny it.

I personally think toxic masculinity is a thing, and a bad thing. I've seen guys go through so much pressure to conform to "masculinity" that they end up breaking down. There are a ton of good qualities in being masculine, that's so true, but toxic masculinity is the type of masculinity that, for example, makes it harder for men to want to admit or get help for depression or another mental health issue, and receive help for it, or for male rape and domestic abuse victims to share their experiences without being called "weak" There's not a lot of pressure for women to be either masculine or feminine, but for men there's still a lot of pressure to be masculine, and they get laughed at for being feminine. Why would you be against that?