Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

[Noraika]

In all honesty, the only problem I see with this is that 1 hour is pretty darn short time for a gym session. I'd probably be more inclined for 2 hours possibly alternating in the morning and night for different days so there's options open for all schedules as well. So like, for example (Women's hours: Monday: 8am-10am, Tuesday: 8pm-10pm, Wednesday: 8am-10am...and so on and so forth).

Nah, how about men's only hours? that would be much better.

To be honest, the circumstances that bring about the current situation that promotes this temporary solution of women's hours (addressed in previous post) doesn't currently exist with men as far as I have been made aware, and I haven't been to a gay gym, so I can't verify or deny the effectiveness or issue in that setting, so overall there is no current precedent or need for it, while there is for women. So I'd have to respectfully disagree with your suggestion.

[Esternial]

The difference between if a girl was in the room and if a girl was not in the room, changed the environment drastically, to a very large detriment if the former. Until that is no longer an issue, there is validity in ensuring there are times which are available and conductive towards a positive atmosphere and attitude in the gym. ;)

My only comment here is that you can replace "gym" with other scenario's and get an equally feasible statement.

I get the point you're trying to make but I'm still not entirely convinced. I can get behind women-only classes in a specific subsection of the gym, but not the entire gym being made inaccessible for men for a two-hour period (or more).

[Noraika]

The difference between if a girl was in the room and if a girl was not in the room, changed the environment drastically, to a very large detriment if the former. Until that is no longer an issue, there is validity in ensuring there are times which are available and conductive towards a positive atmosphere and attitude in the gym.

My only comment here is that you can replace "gym" with other scenario's and get an equally feasible statement.

I get the point you're trying to make but I'm still not entirely convinced. I can get behind women-only classes in a specific subsection of the gym, but not the entire gym being made inaccessible for men for a two-hour period (or more).

Hence the reason for the policy. To be honest, though, you're unfortunately right. The environment of a gym is similar to the environment women face in daily life.

The environments I've seen are pretty much like being cat-called the entire way through, as well as the men making a huge ruckus (slamming weights down, loud (almost yelling) grunts...its a long list yada yada), that they didn't do before, and then do more often then before. Overall, it makes the gym extremely unpleasant to be in, in many ways, and not a good environment at all. Also not a good environment psychologically.

Until THAT can be resolved the reason for the policy exists.

I could get behind women-only classes as well, so long as there accessible, but the main issue with that argument would be if the university could get behind women-only classes, and the resources needed for that. In many a case, although I haven't done the study on it (although it'd be interesting), a regular women-only class schedule may simply be out of reach for most universities, or is not likely to get past the board.

It is less resource intensive, less intrusive, and less costly, to have women's-only hours, which can then address the same problem. In the case of many institutions, if two solutions can equally resolve a problem, but one costs much less (pretty much nothing), and doesn't require new infrastructure or funds, they'll usually go with that.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

The environments I've seen are pretty much like being cat-called the entire way through, as well as the men making a huge ruckus (slamming weights down, loud (almost yelling) grunts), that they didn't do before, and then do more often then before.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I have never seen a regular gym goer cat-call a female, remark at a female, stare at a female or alter their routine in any way because a female is present.

[Noraika]

The environments I've seen are pretty much like being cat-called the entire way through, as well as the men making a huge ruckus (slamming weights down, loud (almost yelling) grunts), that they didn't do before, and then do more often then before.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I have never seen a regular gym goer cat-call a female, remark at a female, stare at a female or alter their routine in any way because a female is present.

A simile is grammatically a comparison of a thing being 'like' or 'comparable to' something, but not saying something has the exact same manifestation as something. It is 'like', cat-calling, but do not get that confused with it is 'cat-calling'. Grammar is very important.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I have never seen a regular gym goer cat-call a female, remark at a female, stare at a female or alter their routine in any way because a female is present.

A simile is grammatically a comparison of a thing being 'like' or 'comparable to' something, but not saying something has the exact same manifestation as something. It is 'like', cat-calling, but do not get that confused with it is 'cat-calling'. Grammar is very important.

Congratulations for quickly posting this non-sequitur.

[AD Shift]

No.

[Noraika]

A simile is grammatically a comparison of a thing being 'like' or 'comparable to' something, but not saying something has the exact same manifestation as something. It is 'like', cat-calling, but do not get that confused with it is 'cat-calling'. Grammar is very important.

Congratulations for quickly posting this non-sequitur.

You remarked you'd never seen a male directly cat-call a woman in a gym, after I stated that the environment becomes 'like cat-calling' in its nature. I then made a post expressing where I felt there had been some confusion in regards to grammatical usage of language. A rather logical sequence if I do say so myself, but I digress.

[Noraika]

A simile is grammatically a comparison of a thing being 'like' or 'comparable to' something, but not saying something has the exact same manifestation as something. It is 'like', cat-calling, but do not get that confused with it is 'cat-calling'. Grammar is very important.

Congratulations for quickly posting this non-sequitur.

You remarked you'd never seen a male directly cat-call a woman in a gym, after I stated that the environment becomes 'like cat-calling' in its nature. I then made a post expressing where I felt there had been some confusion in regards to grammatical usage of language. A rather logical sequence if I do say so myself, but I digress.

[Uxupox]

Nah, how about men's only hours? that would be much better.

To be honest, the circumstances that bring about the current situation that promotes this temporary solution of women's hours (addressed in previous post) doesn't currently exist with men as far as I have been made aware, and I haven't been to a gay gym, so I can't verify or deny the effectiveness or issue in that setting, so overall there is no current precedent or need for it, while there is for women. So I'd have to respectfully disagree with your suggestion.

Gay gym? What the hell? Since when has the gym become a place to hookup?

[Blue Pinkerton]

It's not unlike "adult swim" at a public neighborhood pool. Athletes who train at the university gym have other times to exercise and practice, and allocated time to let women be comfortable in a fitness environment ends up looking out for people who would otherwise not be as physically fit, without any time that lets them comfortably exercise. I don't see how this should be a problem, it's not even for half the day...

[Noraika]

To be honest, the circumstances that bring about the current situation that promotes this temporary solution of women's hours (addressed in previous post) doesn't currently exist with men as far as I have been made aware, and I haven't been to a gay gym, so I can't verify or deny the effectiveness or issue in that setting, so overall there is no current precedent or need for it, while there is for women. So I'd have to respectfully disagree with your suggestion.

Gay gym? What the hell? Since when has the gym become a place to hookup?

Funnily enough, the gym is considered a place 'to meet new people', especially with university (there were even sites with rankings on how good a university's gym was to meet someone). With that said, there are a very small number of gyms that are limited to openly-lgbt people, usually in areas with environments and social conditions otherwise hostile or unsafe for openly-lgbt people. Hope that helps.

[Uxupox]

Gay gym? What the hell? Since when has the gym become a place to hookup?

Funnily enough, the gym is considered a place 'to meet new people', especially with university (there were even sites with rankings on how good a university's gym was to meet someone). With that said, there are a very small number of gyms that are limited to openly-lgbt people, usually in areas with environments and social conditions otherwise hostile or unsafe for openly-lgbt people. Hope that helps.

I don't know about that. Yea you get to meet new people but that's not the real reason one is there. People are there to get strong, fit, toned or muscular.

Because the next thing you've got is Christian only gyms, heterosexual only gyms or some bullshit segregation thing like that.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Congratulations for quickly posting this non-sequitur.

You remarked you'd never seen a male directly cat-call a woman in a gym, after I stated that the environment becomes 'like cat-calling' in its nature. I then made a post expressing where I felt there had been some confusion in regards to grammatical usage of language. A rather logical sequence if I do say so myself, but I digress.

What you should have done is made an effort to explain why the environment becomes 'like cat calling' instead of wasting our time with a post that was only going to delay the inevitable explanation after a very ambiguous statement making reference to a metaphor that 99.99% of people wouldn't have ever seen before

[Noraika]

You remarked you'd never seen a male directly cat-call a woman in a gym, after I stated that the environment becomes 'like cat-calling' in its nature. I then made a post expressing where I felt there had been some confusion in regards to grammatical usage of language. A rather logical sequence if I do say so myself, but I digress.

What you should have done is made an effort to explain why the environment becomes 'like cat calling' instead of wasting our time with a post that was only going to delay the inevitable explanation after a very ambiguous statement making reference to a metaphor that 99.99% of people wouldn't have ever seen before

I've explained how its like cat-calling. Please read the previous statement.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

What you should have done is made an effort to explain why the environment becomes 'like cat calling' instead of wasting our time with a post that was only going to delay the inevitable explanation after a very ambiguous statement making reference to a metaphor that 99.99% of people wouldn't have ever seen before

I've explained how its like cat-calling. Please read the previous statement.

Aside from "the environment becomes "like cat-calling" in its nature", you've made no further posts about this since the post I originally quoted. So please enlighten me

[Jumalariik]

It's just very restrictive. I figure most gyms have some people working out at all times. It's unfair to ban men from a gym for two hours and expect them to adapt their schedule because other people feel uncomfortable.

If someone harasses you in a gym, they should clearly be thrown out, but most people in a gym are there for themselves. If you're uncomfortable or intimidated by other people, then that's your problem caused by yourself, not them. You should either get over that irrational anxiety or come back during calmer hours. You should adapt. Other people shouldn't adapt to you. One's sex/gender should be irrelevant in his scenario.

Not at all, and routines can change at plenty of other times too. I got a new job, and my typical work-out time became work-time, so I had to adjust, less than 10% of the day, is not that much of an alteration. Finally, no, its not unfair at all, and psychologically and socially speaking its more than just "uncomfortabiltiy", but I digress, but I'll just say this.

I used to work out often. The difference between if a girl was in the room and if a girl was not in the room, changed the environment drastically, to a very large detriment if the former. Until that is no longer an issue, there is validity in ensuring there are times which are available and conductive towards a positive atmosphere and attitude in the gym.

What if I feel uncomfortable working out with women?
I guess I can go pound sand.

[Jumalariik]

My only comment here is that you can replace "gym" with other scenario's and get an equally feasible statement.

I get the point you're trying to make but I'm still not entirely convinced. I can get behind women-only classes in a specific subsection of the gym, but not the entire gym being made inaccessible for men for a two-hour period (or more).

Hence the reason for the policy. To be honest, though, you're unfortunately right. The environment of a gym is similar to the environment women face in daily life.

The environments I've seen are pretty much like being cat-called the entire way through, as well as the men making a huge ruckus (slamming weights down, loud (almost yelling) grunts...its a long list yada yada), that they didn't do before, and then do more often then before. Overall, it makes the gym extremely unpleasant to be in, in many ways, and not a good environment at all. Also not a good environment psychologically.

Until THAT can be resolved the reason for the policy exists.

I could get behind women-only classes as well, so long as there accessible, but the main issue with that argument would be if the university could get behind women-only classes, and the resources needed for that. In many a case, although I haven't done the study on it (although it'd be interesting), a regular women-only class schedule may simply be out of reach for most universities, or is not likely to get past the board.

It is less resource intensive, less intrusive, and less costly, to have women's-only hours, which can then address the same problem. In the case of many institutions, if two solutions can equally resolve a problem, but one costs much less (pretty much nothing), and doesn't require new infrastructure or funds, they'll usually go with that.

It costs something for men. Planet Fitness costs $10 a month. Basically that's paying for x amount of hours to be able to workout there. A man would be paying $10 for less of those hours because y hours per week would be unavailable to him because of the idea. Basically, women would be paying for x hours per month, while a man would be paying for x-y hours per month. Both would pay $10. How the hell is that just? There would be two solutions: 1. make men pay for x-y hours in a real sense, thus paying less, or 2. have times where women are barred.

[The Alexanderians]

Not at all, and routines can change at plenty of other times too. I got a new job, and my typical work-out time became work-time, so I had to adjust, less than 10% of the day, is not that much of an alteration. Finally, no, its not unfair at all, and psychologically and socially speaking its more than just "uncomfortabiltiy", but I digress, but I'll just say this.

I used to work out often. The difference between if a girl was in the room and if a girl was not in the room, changed the environment drastically, to a very large detriment if the former. Until that is no longer an issue, there is validity in ensuring there are times which are available and conductive towards a positive atmosphere and attitude in the gym.

What if I feel uncomfortable working out with women?
I guess I can go pound sand.

Sounds like a good work out.

[Balican]

What if I feel uncomfortable working out with women?
I guess I can go pound sand.

Sounds like a good work out.

Not as good as taking a hike though.

[The Alexanderians]

It's just very restrictive. I figure most gyms have some people working out at all times. It's unfair to ban men from a gym for two hours and expect them to adapt their schedule because other people feel uncomfortable.

If someone harasses you in a gym, they should clearly be thrown out, but most people in a gym are there for themselves. If you're uncomfortable or intimidated by other people, then that's your problem caused by yourself, not them. You should either get over that irrational anxiety or come back during calmer hours. You should adapt. Other people shouldn't adapt to you. One's sex/gender should be irrelevant in his scenario.

Not at all, and routines can change at plenty of other times too. I got a new job, and my typical work-out time became work-time, so I had to adjust, less than 10% of the day, is not that much of an alteration. Finally, no, its not unfair at all, and psychologically and socially speaking its more than just "uncomfortabiltiy", but I digress, but I'll just say this.

I used to work out often. The difference between if a girl was in the room and if a girl was not in the room, changed the environment drastically, to a very large detriment if the former. Until that is no longer an issue, there is validity in ensuring there are times which are available and conductive towards a positive atmosphere and attitude in the gym.

I go to a gym regularly, we have mixed ages and genders. Never did a woman suddenly showing up make anyone change anything.

[Ethel mermania]

as to the OP, no. especially at a state funded institution. i dont mind private gyms doing this, but i would not be a member of one.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Wouldnt this be like a diner owned by a black guy in North Carolina telling Whites they cant sit at the counter for Lunch during one-two hours every day because some prick who I assume has tenure or is trying to get tenure at some university made the demand that otherwise-public spaces adopt policies of exclusion?

[Kubra]

Hence the reason for the policy. To be honest, though, you're unfortunately right. The environment of a gym is similar to the environment women face in daily life.

The environments I've seen are pretty much like being cat-called the entire way through, as well as the men making a huge ruckus (slamming weights down, loud (almost yelling) grunts...its a long list yada yada), that they didn't do before, and then do more often then before. Overall, it makes the gym extremely unpleasant to be in, in many ways, and not a good environment at all. Also not a good environment psychologically.

Until THAT can be resolved the reason for the policy exists.

I could get behind women-only classes as well, so long as there accessible, but the main issue with that argument would be if the university could get behind women-only classes, and the resources needed for that. In many a case, although I haven't done the study on it (although it'd be interesting), a regular women-only class schedule may simply be out of reach for most universities, or is not likely to get past the board.

It is less resource intensive, less intrusive, and less costly, to have women's-only hours, which can then address the same problem. In the case of many institutions, if two solutions can equally resolve a problem, but one costs much less (pretty much nothing), and doesn't require new infrastructure or funds, they'll usually go with that.

It costs something for men. Planet Fitness costs $10 a month. Basically that's paying for x amount of hours to be able to workout there. A man would be paying $10 for less of those hours because y hours per week would be unavailable to him because of the idea. Basically, women would be paying for x hours per month, while a man would be paying for x-y hours per month. Both would pay $10. How the hell is that just? There would be two solutions: 1. make men pay for x-y hours in a real sense, thus paying less, or 2. have times where women are barred.

a couple things

First off, this proposal ain't for planet fitness, let me tell ya.
Secondly, I suppose if a planet fitness ever had a staff shortage and had to close for a day, the location epuld therefore have to reimburse its members the hour value of that day? Members sign an agreement, can you find that bit in it?

[Camaalbakrius]

Sounds like a good work out.

Not as good as taking a hike though.

Dang, that's pretty good.