7th Rome prophecy?

[Alvecia]

You my good sir seem to have a problem with God's masterpiece the USA. Because see, history began July 4th 1776, everything before that was a mistake.

It's moments like these when I lament the fact that we don't have a [sarcasm] BBCode so I can figure out if you're fucking with me or not.

Jesus wrote the Constitution, don'tcha know

[Aclion]

I Disagree with 4 and 5. US was never an empire and Great Britain was number 5 not 4.

German Empire or Nazi Germany wasn't "Rome" enough for you?

Well they certainly wanted to be a whole lot.

[Alvecia]

German Empire or Nazi Germany wasn't "Rome" enough for you?

If russia gets to be a rome, do the carolingians get to be one, too?

The fourth Rome shall never be therefore:
the First Reich = Charlemagne and HRE was NOT Rome:
the Second Reich = Wilhelm and Prussian Empire was NOT Rome;
the Third Reich = Hitler and Naziism was NOT Rome.

You can't just pick and choose "Romes".

You do that and the prophecy isn't predicting anything, you're cherry picking to suit the wording of it

[Socialist Nordia]

Anyway, I think China will soon emerge as the most powerful country and the next "Rome". China has a long history of bouncing back to being the world's strongest power. Russia is going to decline even further. South America will become more powerful as it reaches the same level of wealth as North America, becoming a major power, but not the next Rome. India will be in a similar situation. Africa will become the Rome after the next Rome in the really long run because it will take long to reach a decent level of economic development, but it has a lot of untapped potential, so it will be the next Rome once it develops fully and will likely stay that way for a while. In the short term, it won't be as powerful as India or China. The EU might not even exist soon enough, sadly, and a quick decline of Europe is foreseeable. The US will either go out with a bang in the next 4 years or only experience moderate damage and continue a very slow decline, only gradually losing its status as the #1 superpower.

[New Grestin]

I'm not. Truly the USA is the greatest country on Earth. While not perfect, no country is better. In any way. None.

Considering the United States is a crumbling mess of a country, divided by partisan politics and manipulated by corporate interests, just barely sitting astride the world by virtue of sheer chance, I'm inclined to disagree.

The great experiment's been over for a long time, kiddo. Now the kool-aid's just laced with cyanide.

[Auristania]

How on God's green Earth was the Holy Roman Empire a 4th Rome? It was the Holy Roman Empire sure, but it was more like a collection of fiefs and feudal holdings, tied together only because it's inhabitants were ethnically the same.

Prophecy states the 4th Rome shall never be.
HRE fulfilled that prophecy. It never was.

[Valrifell]

Anyway, I thought a pre-requisite to be the next "Rome" was that you had to be Christian or majorly Christian, hence why nobody regarded the Ottomans as the new Rome.

[Alvecia]

How on God's green Earth was the Holy Roman Empire a 4th Rome? It was the Holy Roman Empire sure, but it was more like a collection of fiefs and feudal holdings, tied together only because it's inhabitants were ethnically the same.

Prophecy states the 4th Rome shall never be.
HRE fulfilled that prophecy. It never was.

We're talking about it, so it must have been

[Engleberg]

German Empire or Nazi Germany wasn't "Rome" enough for you?

If russia gets to be a rome, do the carolingians get to be one, too?

The fourth Rome shall never be therefore:
the First Reich = Charlemagne and HRE was NOT Rome:
the Second Reich = Wilhelm and Prussian Empire was NOT Rome;
the Third Reich = Hitler and Naziism was NOT Rome.

The main point of this thread is who will be the nxt Mpire after USA?

The secondary point of the thread is categorizing which historical Empires count as legitimate descendants and ancestors of Rome?

The HRE was NOT Rome, which is correct.

The German Empire, and mind you not just Wilhelm II; there were Wilhelm I, Friedrich III, and Wilhelm II; was considered the continuation of Rome in many cases, most in Germany though.

For the next Rome, it would most likely be China unless Italy becomes a relevant European nation again. (Joking, Italians)

[The Grene Knyght]

The fourth Rome shall never be therefore:
the First Reich = Charlemagne and HRE was NOT Rome:
the Second Reich = Wilhelm and Prussian Empire was NOT Rome;
the Third Reich = Hitler and Naziism was NOT Rome.

You can't just pick and choose "Romes".

You do that and the prophecy isn't predicting anything, you're cherry picking to suit the wording of it

Agreed.
In what way were they not romes?
The term Kaiser literally is a translation of Caesar.
How do you define a descendant of Rome? I can absolutely see Constantinople and the Tsars as descendants, but I really can't see why it waould extend to Britain and America but not Charlemagne and the HRE

[Alvecia]

Anyway, I thought a pre-requisite to be the next "Rome" was that you had to be Christian or majorly Christian, hence why nobody regarded the Ottomans as the new Rome.

Could be the Byzantines?

[Valrifell]

I'm not. Truly the USA is the greatest country on Earth. While not perfect, no country is better. In any way. None.

Considering the United States is a crumbling mess of a country, divided by partisan politics and manipulated by corporate interests, just barely sitting astride the world by virtue of sheer chance, I'm inclined to disagree.

The great experiment's been over for a long time, kiddo. Now the kool-aid's just laced with cyanide.

If the experiment was going to end, it would've more than likely ended sometime after a hypothetical crushing defeat post-1812, the real-life Civil War, or the much worse Gilded Age.

America's survived worse than this, by fucking miles.

[Bonehead Crushers]

[Socialist Nordia]

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I, for one, welcome our new Finnish overlords.

[Napkiraly]

AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

Rome 1 = Rome
Rome 2 = Constantinople
Rome 3 = Moscow

The fourth Rome shall never be = the Holy Roman Empire which is defined as neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.

Rome 5 = British Empire, the biggest Empire evah: therefore Arthur Pendragon.
Rome 6 = USA

Which nation will be the next Empire after USA?

As a pessimist, I expect terrorists will win.

As an optimist, I hope India will win. Britain civilized India therefore they carry the legacy of Arthur Pendragon himself.

India was quite civilized before Britain took it over and the US was never an empire.

Yeah, I mean the American domination over the Philippines never occurred, its actions in Latin America since the 20th century were definitely not imperialistic, and the expansion of its territory through conquest is fiction.

[Community Values]

Prob China. For as much as I hate authoritarianism, they sure do seem to have an efficient society that oppresses its people, with its people not rebelling in any huge way.

[Polar Svalbard]

I'm not. Truly the USA is the greatest country on Earth. While not perfect, no country is better. In any way. None.

Considering the United States is a crumbling mess of a country, divided by partisan politics and manipulated by corporate interests, just barely sitting astride the world by virtue of sheer chance, I'm inclined to disagree.

The great experiment's been over for a long time, kiddo. Now the kool-aid's just laced with cyanide.

What propoganda glasses are you looking through? Soviet Russian?
1. Its not crumbling. Its actually on the up and up, we're getting much more in the way of civil rights and hopefully the economy will continue its rebound.
2. divided by partisan politics and manipulated by coporate interests. Yeah I'll give you that a bit, although that is most countries.
3. Sheer chance? Yeah no. Sorry but we are held by the greatest economy and the greatest military in the world, along with a steady stream of inventors and large companies. We own the world culturally through hollywood too.
4. Your disagreement is your disagreement and I can't take that away from you.

[Auristania]

The fourth Rome shall never be therefore:
the First Reich = Charlemagne and HRE was NOT Rome:
the Second Reich = Wilhelm and Prussian Empire was NOT Rome;
the Third Reich = Hitler and Naziism was NOT Rome.

You can't just pick and choose "Romes".

You do that and the prophecy isn't predicting anything, you're cherry picking to suit the wording of it

I can pick and chose Romes. So can everybody else.
Currently the Poll is set at guessing which Nation will be the nxt Rome after USA. IF enough posters vote to change the Poll to voting for their Favourite Historical Romes, then I will change the Poll; it is known.

[Alvecia]

You can't just pick and choose "Romes".

You do that and the prophecy isn't predicting anything, you're cherry picking to suit the wording of it

I can pick and chose Romes. So can everybody else.

Well that's just silly.

I approve.

[Valrifell]

Prob China. For as much as I hate authoritarianism, they sure do seem to have an efficient society that oppresses its people, with its people not rebelling in any huge way.

There's always the "fun" prospect of that demographic crisis on the horizon to really stir the pot.

[Hurdergaryp]

AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

Rome 1 = Rome
Rome 2 = Constantinople
Rome 3 = Moscow

The fourth Rome shall never be = the Holy Roman Empire which is defined as neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.

Rome 5 = British Empire, the biggest Empire evah: therefore Arthur Pendragon.
Rome 6 = USA

Which nation will be the next Empire after USA?

As a pessimist, I expect terrorists will win.

As an optimist, I hope India will win. Britain civilized India therefore they carry the legacy of Arthur Pendragon himself.

India was quite civilized before Britain took it over and the US was never an empire.

Exactly. Please disregard Hawaii and the Philippines. Disregard those territories hard. Also don't think too hard about all those formerly Mexican realms that now are now integral parts of the USA. It just kinda happened, ok?

[Socialist Nordia]

Prob China. For as much as I hate authoritarianism, they sure do seem to have an efficient society that oppresses its people, with its people not rebelling in any huge way.

Who knows, somewhere along the line their country might see meaningful reform to the point where it is democratic and free. Or maybe that's just optimistic.

[Socialist Nordia]

India was quite civilized before Britain took it over and the US was never an empire.

Exactly. Please disregard Hawaii and the Philippines. Disregard those territories hard. Also don't think too hard about all those formerly Mexican realms that now are now integral parts of the USA. It just kinda happened, ok?

Mexico shouldn't have gotten in the way of our Pacific Ocean. *nod*

[Farnhamia]

India was quite civilized before Britain took it over and the US was never an empire.

Exactly. Please disregard Hawaii and the Philippines. Disregard those territories hard. Also don't think too hard about all those formerly Mexican realms that now are now integral parts of the USA. It just kinda happened, ok?

The key word there is "integral." Those territories and Hawaii are integral parts of the United States, with their inhabitants full citizens, and not provinces with second-class rights. The Philippines became a commonwelath in 1935 and were scheduled to become independent in 1945. As it is, WWII set that schedule back only one year. But hey, believe what you like, it's only NSG.

[The Grene Knyght]

You can't just pick and choose "Romes".

You do that and the prophecy isn't predicting anything, you're cherry picking to suit the wording of it

I can pick and chose Romes. So can everybody else.
Currently the Poll is set at guessing which Nation will be the nxt Rome after USA. IF enough posters vote to change the Poll to voting for their Favourite Historical Romes, then I will change the Poll; it is known.

Question: what do you mean by "the terrorists"
Its a big bad world out there, kiddo, you're gonna have to be a tad more specific.