7th Rome prophecy?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Why is the OP so absent?
Did he realize how ridiculous this thread is?

"Which nation will be the next empire"

"Terrorists"

[Genivaria]

Why is the OP so absent?
Did he realize how ridiculous this thread is?

"Which nation will be the next empire"

"Terrorists"

....are you real OP or are you just fucking with us?

[The Huskar Social Union]

"Which nation will be the next empire"

"Terrorists"

....are you real OP or are you just fucking with us?

No i am not the OP, come on i would be more subtle.

No no i wouldnt.

Also how long ago was this made? i was probably in Uni printing.

[Spaceman Spliff]

....are you real OP or are you just fucking with us?

No i am not the OP, come on i would be more subtle.

No no i wouldnt.

Also how long ago was this made? i was probably in Uni printing.

Yesterday at 5:43 mountain time.

[Thermodolia]

Why is the OP so absent?
Did he realize how ridiculous this thread is?

I think you answered your own question there.

Anyway this smells like bullshit

[Union of Despotistan]

I think it will be China.

China or India.

Terrorists might win only if we continue our terrible international policies we currently have. But I cant believe occidental government can be so dismal in their decision making forever.

[Immoren]

AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

Rome 1 = Rome
Rome 2 = Constantinople
Rome 3 = Moscow

The fourth Rome shall never be = the Holy Roman Empire which is defined as neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.

Rome 5 = British Empire, the biggest Empire evah: therefore Arthur Pendragon.
Rome 6 = USA

Which nation will be the next Empire after USA?

As a pessimist, I expect terrorists will win.

As an optimist, I hope India will win. Britain civilized India therefore they carry the legacy of Arthur Pendragon himself.

Rome 0 = Alexander's minions
Rome -1 = Alexander
Rome - 2 = Persia
Rome - 3 = Babylon
Rome -4 = Assyria
Rome - 5 v= Egypt
etc etc etc

Finland

[Ifreann]

AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

Rome 1 = Rome
Rome 2 = Constantinople
Rome 3 = Moscow

The fourth Rome shall never be = the Holy Roman Empire which is defined as neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.

Rome 5 = British Empire, the biggest Empire evah: therefore Arthur Pendragon.
Rome 6 = USA

Which nation will be the next Empire after USA?

As a pessimist, I expect terrorists will win.

As an optimist, I hope India will win. Britain civilized India therefore they carry the legacy of Arthur Pendragon himself.

Rome 0 = Alexander's minions
Rome -1 = Alexander
Rome - 2 = Persia
Rome - 3 = Babylon
Rome -4 = Assyria
Rome - 5 v= Egypt
etc etc etc

Finland

[Hurdergaryp]

Finland

Finnish winter: clothing optional.

[The Archregimancy]

AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

Rome 1 = Rome
Rome 2 = Constantinople
Rome 3 = Moscow

The fourth Rome shall never be = the Holy Roman Empire which is defined as neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.

Two basic flaws here.

If 'a fourth Rome there shall never be', most people would take the hint and wouldn't then go looking

A) for a fourth Rome

and

B) for a fourth Rome that was already six hundred and fifty years old when the Second Rome fell.



And the Barbarians destroyed Constantinople in 1204 AD; 1453 was merely a mercy killing.

[Sanctissima]

And the Barbarians destroyed Constantinople in 1204 AD; 1453 was merely a mercy killing.

Says the Orthodox.

Massacre of the Latins, 1182, never forget!

But in all seriousness, yes, the Fourth Crusade did fuck the Empire up. Such an ignoble death, the last light of Rome raped and butchered by a blind 90-year-old Venetian.

[Ethel mermania]

In German or English I know how to count down..

And I am learning Chinese. Says......

[Huaxia]

China, but it's more like the 2nd Han or 2nd Tang.

[Baltenstein]

So would Fascist Italy be a successor?

When Constantinople fell a few countries tried to argue that they were direct successors. The Ottomans argued that they were because they conquered the Byzantines. The Russians argued they were because the Byzantines made them Orthodox. Germany claimed they were because of the Holy Roman Empire.

Actually the Holy Roman Empire - and the Catholic West in general - had stopped recognizing the Imperial Roman status of Constantinople a long, long time before that, probably even before the Schism. That's also the reason why the Byzantine Empire was referred to as the "Greek Empire" or the "Greek state" by Catholic rulers and clergymen - to deny it the status of Rome.

As for the OP, I find it a bit confusing that Moscow is to be the 3rd Rome and the HRR the 4th; the HRR was founded before Russia became Christian.

[Skyviolia]

China will overtake the United States if we don't shape up, so I'd say China.

[Angleter]

When Constantinople fell a few countries tried to argue that they were direct successors. The Ottomans argued that they were because they conquered the Byzantines. The Russians argued they were because the Byzantines made them Orthodox. Germany claimed they were because of the Holy Roman Empire.

Actually the Holy Roman Empire - and the Catholic West in general - had stopped recognizing the Imperial Roman status of Constantinople a long, long time before that, probably even before the Schism. That's also the reason why the Byzantine Empire was referred to as the "Greek Empire" or the "Greek state" by Catholic rulers and clergymen - to deny it the status of Rome.

As for the OP, I find it a bit confusing that Moscow is to be the 3rd Rome and the HRR the 4th; the HRR was founded before Russia became Christian.

Yeah, it went before the Schism - the very fact that the West was crowning 'Roman Emperors' meant that they didn't recognise Byzantium as the true Roman Empire.

[Muinordgrad]

Probably, either a.) a kind of European hyperstate that arises after the USA completely destroys itself, or a kind of israel gone horribly wrong.

[Impireacht]

I feel like Napoleonic Paris should at least get an honorable mention.

Same problem with Nazi Germany. It was powerful very briefly and then died. To be a Rome, you need to withstand a long period of time.

What about the Mongols? They didn't last forever but they were around for a decent amount of time and created one of, if not the single largest land based empire there's ever been. Unless you have to take an interest in politics beyond "We take this land and feed it to our livestock now, and 5 of your politicians go work in China and fix filthy Chinese."

[Huaxia]

Probably, either a.) a kind of European hyperstate that arises after the USA completely destroys itself, or a kind of israel gone horribly wrong.

Doubtful. Europe is too divided and too overrun with internal problems to become a 'hyperstate', and if the USA falls, so does Israel.

The future belongs to the East, which probably means that "Roman Empire" will cease being used as a reference point, and instead people will start comparing modern states to the Han, the Tang, the Maurya, the Gupta, the Mughals, etc.

[Baltenstein]

Same problem with Nazi Germany. It was powerful very briefly and then died. To be a Rome, you need to withstand a long period of time.

What about the Mongols? They didn't last forever but they were around for a decent amount of time and created one of, if not the single largest land based empire there's ever been. Unless you have to take an interest in politics beyond "We take this land and feed it to our livestock now, and 5 of your politicians go work in China and fix filthy Chinese."

To be properly considered Rome, you need some sort of metropolis with imperial grandeur and infrastructure of your own. This, the Mongols absolutely lacked.

[Venerable Bede]

When Constantinople fell a few countries tried to argue that they were direct successors. The Ottomans argued that they were because they conquered the Byzantines. The Russians argued they were because the Byzantines made them Orthodox. Germany claimed they were because of the Holy Roman Empire.

Actually the Holy Roman Empire - and the Catholic West in general - had stopped recognizing the Imperial Roman status of Constantinople a long, long time before that, probably even before the Schism. That's also the reason why the Byzantine Empire was referred to as the "Greek Empire" or the "Greek state" by Catholic rulers and clergymen - to deny it the status of Rome.

As for the OP, I find it a bit confusing that Moscow is to be the 3rd Rome and the HRR the 4th; the HRR was founded before Russia became Christian.

Well in the Venerable Bede's writings, letters from the Pope and such frequently mark a particular year of the reign of "Our Most Pious Lord and Emperor ___), or such to that effect, naming the Emperor in Constantinople. I think the recognition stopped with Charlemagne.

[Teemant]

Can't see USA going anywhere any time soon. I don't think that China and India can surpass USA.

[Vassenor]

Can't see USA going anywhere any time soon. I don't think that China and India can surpass USA.

I dunno, I see China surging a lot in the next four years.

[Venerable Bede]

Can't see USA going anywhere any time soon. I don't think that China and India can surpass USA.

I dunno, I see China surging a lot in the next four years.

They depend very heavily on the U.S. as a customer.

[The East Marches]

Can't see USA going anywhere any time soon. I don't think that China and India can surpass USA.

I dunno, I see China surging a lot in the next four years.

You ought to read the economic reports. It does not look good. They've repeated the same mistakes of Japan.