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Which Nation will be the next Empire?

China
45
28%
Japan
9
6%
India
12
7%
Terrorists
6
4%
European Union
11
7%
Africa
3
2%
South America
3
2%
Russia again
19
12%
USA lasts forevah
38
23%
?
16
10%
 
Total votes : 162

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Postby Herargon » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:25 am

The US as Rome? British empire? Well........... my historian's sense is tingling.

And China? Neither.

But if we were to exclude all history - which would be strange because the concept of a third rome is intertwined with history - then, I think that the European union makes the best claim.
It is located in Europe, it has a large territory in Europe itself, is western, and has an historic base.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:26 am

Auristania wrote:Britain civilized India


Are you trying to invoke the wrath of Manisdog? :eyebrow:
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:28 am

Herargon wrote:The US as Rome? British empire? Well........... my historian's sense is tingling.

And China? Neither.

But if we were to exclude all history - which would be strange because the concept of a third rome is intertwined with history - then, I think that the European union makes the best claim.
It is located in Europe, it has a large territory in Europe itself, is western, and has an historic base.

And "European Union" has almost enough letters to spell "empire"! :o
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Postby Herargon » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:30 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Herargon wrote:The US as Rome? British empire? Well........... my historian's sense is tingling.

And China? Neither.

But if we were to exclude all history - which would be strange because the concept of a third rome is intertwined with history - then, I think that the European union makes the best claim.
It is located in Europe, it has a large territory in Europe itself, is western, and has an historic base.

And "European Union" has almost enough letters to spell "empire"! :o


I can see the joke, but I'm part German :p

To be fair, it makes a more valid claim, IMHO. That was what I wanted to say, essentially.
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Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:31 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Herargon wrote:The US as Rome? British empire? Well........... my historian's sense is tingling.

And China? Neither.

But if we were to exclude all history - which would be strange because the concept of a third rome is intertwined with history - then, I think that the European union makes the best claim.
It is located in Europe, it has a large territory in Europe itself, is western, and has an historic base.

And "European Union" has almost enough letters to spell "empire"! :o

Squash two of the "n"'s together, you're good.
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Postby Herargon » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:32 am

Alvecia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And "European Union" has almost enough letters to spell "empire"! :o

Squash two of the "n"'s together, you're good.


And squash the "u" 's together and you get a W. </unrelated>
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Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:33 am

Herargon wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Squash two of the "n"'s together, you're good.


And squash the "u" 's together and you get a W.

Ewpire?

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Postby Herargon » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:35 am

Alvecia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
And squash the "u" 's together and you get a W.

Ewpire?


Yes. Today we're all partially Welsh, according to new European regulations, don't you see?

/sarcasm
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Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:39 am

Alvecia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
And squash the "u" 's together and you get a W.

Ewpire?

Wome?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:43 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Ewpire?

Wome?


This is going to turn into that scene from Life of Brian, isn't it?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:43 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Ewpire?

Wome?

Reminds me of Pontius Pilate from The Life of Brian
Pontius Pilate: I will not have my fwiends widiculed by the common soldiewy. - - Anybody else feel like a little... giggle... when I mention my fwiend... Biggus...

[another guard chuckles]

Pontius Pilate: ... Dickus?

[more chuckling]

Pontius Pilate: What about you? Do you find it... wisible... when I say the name... 'Biggus'...

[chuckle]

Pontius Pilate: ... Dickus?

[both guards chuckle]

Pontius Pilate: He has a wife, you know. You know what she's called? She's called... 'Incontinentia'... Incontinentia Buttocks


Edit: Damnit Vas. Beat me to it.
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Postby Lautrec- » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:16 am

For this century, it's most likely going to be the US

China is stronger than ever but it's unreal economic growth has dropped. It's still light years away from having an economy, military or geopolitical influence that could compete with the American ones.

Russia isn't going be the next big "empire" because it's economy is too small and has been in recession since the beginning of 2016. Italy has a larger economy in comparison.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:49 am

Auristania wrote:AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

How the fuck is that a prophecy?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:53 am

Ifreann wrote:
Auristania wrote:AD 1453: Barbarians destroyed Constantinople, the second Rome and there was a prophecy "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth https://orthodoxwiki.org/Third_Rome

How the fuck is that a prophecy?

Wait so this doesn't actually have anything to do with the bible?
There isn't even a prophecy?
Fucking lol.

This statement takes place AFTER the fall of Constantinople.

Also Constantinople wasn't destroyed and certainly not by 'barbarians' you racist.
It was conquered by the Ottomans and their really big cannons.
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Postby Spaceman Spliff » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:58 am

Engleberg wrote:German Empire or Nazi Germany wasn't "Rome" enough for you? :P

Germans destroyed the Roman Empire. Go back to living in huts in the swamps until Germanicus rises from the dead to finish you off.
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Postby Spaceman Spliff » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:00 am

Genivaria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How the fuck is that a prophecy?

Wait so this doesn't actually have anything to do with the bible?
There isn't even a prophecy?
Fucking lol.

This statement takes place AFTER the fall of Constantinople.

Also Constantinople wasn't destroyed and certainly not by 'barbarians' you racist.
It was conquered by the Ottomans and their really big cannons.

Don't you know that unbelievers are barbarians? Just as those who do not follow the sacred rites of Confucius are barbarian to the Han, so it follows those who do not accept JESUS as their lord and saviour.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:00 am

Spaceman Spliff wrote:
Engleberg wrote:German Empire or Nazi Germany wasn't "Rome" enough for you? :P

Germans destroyed the Roman Empire. Go back to living in huts in the swamps until Germanicus rises from the dead to finish you off.

Technically the Romans were pretty Genocidy themselves.
I don't think they'd disapprove of Fascism.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:01 am

Genivaria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How the fuck is that a prophecy?

Wait so this doesn't actually have anything to do with the bible?
There isn't even a prophecy?
Fucking lol.

The idea [of Moscow being the Third Rome] crystallized with a panegyric letter composed by the Russian elder Philoteus in 1510 to their son Grand Duke Basil III, which proclaimed, "Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will not be a fourth. No one will replace your Christian Tsardom!"

If we're to take this as a prophesy rather than as some dude talking about how Russia is totes Roman Empire III: With A Vengeance, then clearly the prophesy is that there will be no successor to Rome after Moscow/Russia. Which doesn't really line up with the OP's talk of a fourth, fifth and sixth Rome and a seventh to come.

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Postby Spaceman Spliff » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:03 am

Genivaria wrote:
Spaceman Spliff wrote:Germans destroyed the Roman Empire. Go back to living in huts in the swamps until Germanicus rises from the dead to finish you off.

Technically the Romans were pretty Genocidy themselves.
I don't think they'd disapprove of Fascism.

Maybe not. The Romans did of course decimate all those who would not live beneath the rule of SPQR and would not be broken after being defeated.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:06 am

Spaceman Spliff wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Technically the Romans were pretty Genocidy themselves.
I don't think they'd disapprove of Fascism.

Maybe not. The Romans did of course decimate all those who would not live beneath the rule of SPQR and would not be broken after being defeated.

And they really did love them some glorification of the military and the state.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:46 am

Ah yes, the mighty Terrorist Empire, that one.

Nah its Belfast mate.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Ah yes, the mighty Terrorist Empire, that one.

Nah its Belfast mate.

Imperial Roman Army, *nods*

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Ah yes, the mighty Terrorist Empire, that one.

Nah its Belfast mate.

Imperial Roman Army, *nods*

Fucking norn iron imperium am i right son.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Imperial Roman Army, *nods*

Fucking norn iron imperium am i right son.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:09 pm

Why is the OP so absent?
Did he realize how ridiculous this thread is?

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