Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Khalisako]

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

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"I'm not abusive, you are abusive!" - the staple of every abuser, ever.

Kek, serves her right - props to you, Grenartia.

Yeah, seems they hate when someone chips at their big pride and self image.

Guess it takes a third party to put them in their place. Highly doubt it makes a lasting impression tho.

[The Serbian Empire]

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

"I'm not abusive, you are abusive!" - the staple of every abuser, ever.

Kek, serves her right - props to you, Grenartia.

Those burns were third degree!

[Grenartia]

Thanks, yall. I guess I'm just too savage for my own good.

[West German Empire]

Ah, Cathy Brennan, just saw some more of her handy work this morning when she was telling a black queer woman that she was being violent towards lesbians ... some people are tapped.

[Grenartia]

Ah, Cathy Brennan, just saw some more of her handy work this morning when she was telling a black queer woman that she was being violent towards lesbians ... some people are tapped.

Yeah, sounds like her MO. Say stupid shit, then cry "but muh lesbian oppresshun!" when she gets called out on it. Hell, I once saw somebody tell her to fuck off, and she claimed that was proof that they wanted to rape her. The woman needs psychiatric help.

[Nature-Spirits]

Good job, Grenny.

One TERF to look out for, who's been very active in harassing trans people online lately, is Liadan Quinn, btw. She doesn't seem to do any activism outside of that, in fact. I'm fairly certain she runs https://terfisaslur.com/, but at least the Facebook page got taken down.

[Philjia]

Good job, Grenny.

One TERF to look out for, who's been very active in harassing trans people online lately, is Liadan Quinn, btw. She doesn't seem to do any activism outside of that, in fact. I'm fairly certain she runs https://terfisaslur.com/, but at least the Facebook page got taken down.

Humans. So vindictive.

[The Serbian Empire]

Good job, Grenny.

One TERF to look out for, who's been very active in harassing trans people online lately, is Liadan Quinn, btw. She doesn't seem to do any activism outside of that, in fact. I'm fairly certain she runs https://terfisaslur.com/, but at least the Facebook page got taken down.

I wish those TERFs would just grow the fuck up.

[Philjia]

It took me a day to be banned from commenting on, or viewing, Cathy Brennan's feed.

Honestly, I expected to be shut down much faster.

Especially after I called her a conservative.

[Grenartia]

Perhaps what irritates me most about her is that she (at least in the past) calls herself "non-binary", because apparently, she thinks that its just somebody who rejects gender roles. Like, no, sorry sweetie, but simply rejecting the most visual form of sexism doesn't make you non-binary.

[Vassenor]

Perhaps what irritates me most about her is that she (at least in the past) calls herself "non-binary", because apparently, she thinks that its just somebody who rejects gender roles. Like, no, sorry sweetie, but simply rejecting the most visual form of sexism doesn't make you non-binary.

There's a reason "gender non-conforming" is still a term we use.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

Perhaps what irritates me most about her is that she (at least in the past) calls herself "non-binary", because apparently, she thinks that its just somebody who rejects gender roles. Like, no, sorry sweetie, but simply rejecting the most visual form of sexism doesn't make you non-binary.

I'm fine with people describing themselves how they see fit.

[Grenartia]

Perhaps what irritates me most about her is that she (at least in the past) calls herself "non-binary", because apparently, she thinks that its just somebody who rejects gender roles. Like, no, sorry sweetie, but simply rejecting the most visual form of sexism doesn't make you non-binary.

I'm fine with people describing themselves how they see fit.

Its kind of like when a cishet guy jokes around that he's "a lesbian trapped in a man's body". There's a line, between describing yourself how you see fit, and misappropriating an identity.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I'm fine with people describing themselves how they see fit.

Its kind of like when a cishet guy jokes around that he's "a lesbian trapped in a man's body". There's a line, between describing yourself how you see fit, and misappropriating an identity.

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

[Grenartia]

Its kind of like when a cishet guy jokes around that he's "a lesbian trapped in a man's body". There's a line, between describing yourself how you see fit, and misappropriating an identity.

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

What are your thoughts on things like "racecargender" and "species dysphoria", especially as they are compared to the struggles faced by trans people?

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

What are your thoughts on things like "racecargender" and "species dysphoria", especially as they are compared to the struggles faced by trans people?

I don't agree with them and see how they can be harmful. I was referring that if someone sees themselves as non-binary based off a slightly different definition I see how it could bother non-binary folks, I however don't think it should be a source of outrage.

[Mechanisburg]

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

What are your thoughts on things like "racecargender" and "species dysphoria", especially as they are compared to the struggles faced by trans people?

Personally I understand them. I am a transgender woman, and transhumanist, and I'm pretty sure at least a part of my dysphoria could be classed as species dysphoria - hell, I don't even want to be in the animal kingdom, and this since before I actually experienced gender dysphoria. I have no use for an organic body, requiring me to breathe and drink and eat and excrete, to watch out for stairs lest I break my neck to turn from agent to observer, and to die. I would get rid of it in an instant if it was possible, and as soon as replacements will be available I will dismantle what nature wrought and improve on it. I have no love for my body, and even if it was completely female, and in perfect working order, I'd take steel and plastic over flesh and bones any day of the week.

The struggle might be different, their main manifestation being desperation vs rage, but the rage is real.

In my opinion, the people who say they suffer from species dysphoria, or are ridiculousgender, fall under three camps: the "I identify as an attack helicopter, I'm so original" camp, who is actively trying to suppress our expression with ridicule; the "young kids trying labels out" camp, whose words are taken out of context and used as ammo by those who would see us trodden upon; and the "I'm fucking serious, I want out" camp, including people like yours truly. Except for the first case, it's not the "species dysphoria" label the problem - it's the people reaching for ways to de-legitimize us the problem: and when they have no ammo, they have no problem whatsoever with lying.

That said, "racecargender" and their ilk seem really stupid to me - the reason being, they have nothing to do with gender and everything to do with stuff that is not gender. It is not a non-binary gender like an unstable isotope of lead is not a crocodile.

[Liriena]

I really want to know more.

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

Yaaaaaaaas!

[The Serbian Empire]

I'm fine with people describing themselves how they see fit.

Its kind of like when a cishet guy jokes around that he's "a lesbian trapped in a man's body". There's a line, between describing yourself how you see fit, and misappropriating an identity.

I kind of recall saying that about myself in the past when I was in the closet. For all we know, something like that could be a sign of closeted trans woman just as much as a misappropriated identity. Either way, it's either the sign of someone without the proper education to explain what is what or a person who is deliberately mocking us. Either way, there's a lack of education fueling such statements.

[Vassenor]

So I guess I'm investigating alternative tucking setups that mean I can still use the toilet when I need to.

[Philjia]

So I guess I'm investigating alternative tucking setups that mean I can still use the toilet when I need to.

Well, that sounds like a good idea to me.

[Nature-Spirits]

What are your thoughts on things like "racecargender" and "species dysphoria", especially as they are compared to the struggles faced by trans people?

I don't agree with them and see how they can be harmful. I was referring that if someone sees themselves as non-binary based off a slightly different definition I see how it could bother non-binary folks, I however don't think it should be a source of outrage.

It should be a source of outrage when we're talking about someone who bullies trans people to suicide.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I don't agree with them and see how they can be harmful. I was referring that if someone sees themselves as non-binary based off a slightly different definition I see how it could bother non-binary folks, I however don't think it should be a source of outrage.

It should be a source of outrage when we're talking about someone who bullies trans people to suicide.

If it's how someone sees themselves, who am I to tell them no?

[Philjia]

It should be a source of outrage when we're talking about someone who bullies trans people to suicide.

If it's how someone sees themselves, who am I to tell them no?

People can do what they want. I'll just regard them the same way I would a Paramore fan calling themselves a punk.

[Vassenor]

Anyway, first test with the new setup. It seemed to work fine under my jeans, but under the suit it seems a little bit too bulgy still. And yes, I am trying to work on the balloon belly.

But this was with a slightly problematic taping.

I guess I'm wondering what everyone else thinks, since I may be negatively biased.