Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Philjia]

Please help me. My... boyfriend, girlfriend, is trans? She's technically female but she is male. I support... him on it. But I'm not into that. I'm not comfortable dating someone who is trans,
Edit: They truly have a great personality, I don't dislike trans people, I just don't swing that way.

Well, you just have to ask yourself whether you can be romantically attached to somebody you don't want to fuck.

[Grenartia]

Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ed-up.html

In a nutshell: The Daily Beast (left-bias, high factual reporting) reported that a despicable pro-Trump troll army descended to mock a transgender woman who committed suicide, and Facebook was slow to deal with them.

For sake of being honest, I wish to share one of the reasons I worry so much about the spread of that hate-filled kind of right-wing populism that has lead to my ongoing serious mental health issues and feelings of hopelessness. It is also one of the reasons why I feel social networks are too hostile for me, apart from trolls poking fun at disabled people.

I'm an admin for my college's LGBT group's FB page, and somebody literally posted a comment about wanting to "bring back the gas chambers" for queer people. I reported that shit to FB, and they didn't think it broke any rules. But I reported one of his friend's photo comment for nudity (it was a shitty 3D pic of a cishet couple having sex), and they were all over that.

TL;DR: Facebook has fucking skewed priorities.

Please help me. My... boyfriend, girlfriend, is trans? She's technically female but she is male. I support... him on it. But I'm not into that. I'm not comfortable dating someone who is trans,
Edit: They truly have a great personality, I don't dislike trans people, I just don't swing that way.

Well, you just have to ask yourself whether you can be romantically attached to somebody you don't want to fuck.

Pretty much, unless you're willing to make an exception for them (but it doesn't sound like it, and that's totally cool if you're unwilling or unable to do so).

[Khalisako]

I imagine he'll be disappointed. Friendship could be good enough if dating is undoable, I'd think. If that's possible.

There's nothing wrong with your reason tho.

Hmm alright. I don't know though. I love them too much to do that.

The fact youre even considering this is quite nice tho.. it shows oyu really do see him as what he is.

I''ve heard from a fair selection of people tho that've said that they're in a marriage where they can't feel attracted o their partner and it beings to cause problems and become strain o ntheir relationship.

It is up to you to decide what to do, but if you love him... i don't know. Do what you felll you must.

Best fortunes to you, yes.

[The Serbian Empire]

Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ed-up.html

In a nutshell: The Daily Beast (left-bias, high factual reporting) reported that a despicable pro-Trump troll army descended to mock a transgender woman who committed suicide, and Facebook was slow to deal with them.

For sake of being honest, I wish to share one of the reasons I worry so much about the spread of that hate-filled kind of right-wing populism that has lead to my ongoing serious mental health issues and feelings of hopelessness. It is also one of the reasons why I feel social networks are too hostile for me, apart from trolls poking fun at disabled people.

Facebook seems to be incompetent and friendly to bigots.

[Neutraligon]

Your second sentence is entirely false. First Transgenderism is not bodily mutilation in that one can be Trans without altering their body using surgery. Second bodily mutilation is legal, or are you going to ignore any and all cosmetic surgeries. Third it is not bodily mutilation to alter ones body through surgery.

My apologies for not being literal.

As previously mentioned, you need a physical illness to justify surgery blah blah technically it is mutilation blah blah cosmetic surgeries don't remove parts of the body entirely blah blah are we done?

You in fact do not need a physical illness to justify surgery as treatment, as long as the surgery reduces harm, as is the case with Trans individuals. There is currently no medicine to cure gender dysphoria, the only working treatment for the most severe forms is SRS. Technically any cosmetic surgery is mutilation. SRS does not remove entire parts of the body (for instance in MTF parts of the penis are used to make a vagina). As to cosmetic surgery not removing parts of the body, I first fail to see why this distinction matters, and also does sometimes involve the removal of parts of the body, like the removal of webbing between fingers and toes for young children. No we are not done, you are factually wrong in most everything you have said with regard to trans as a mental illness and its treatement.

[Liriena]

Bringing the discussion over to the relevant thread.

Wrong.

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

I'm pretty sure the mentally retarded aren't in distress either, but they are still sick. And no, a mental illness is defined as "A wide range of conditions that affect mood, thinking, and behavior." which is not subject to how the person feels about it.
Gender dysphoria is "the condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex." which, surprise, is a mental illness in the DSM-5. Good try though.

I find it adorable that you think you know better than the American Psychological Association, and that you can prove them wrong with a simplistic analogy and unsourced quotes.

What are your credentials, exactly?

Also, from the American Psychiatric Association:

Not all transgender people suffer from gender dysphoria

And:

Mental Illness...
refers collectively to all diagnosable mental disorders — health conditions involving
- Significant changes in thinking, emotion and/or behavior
- Distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities

[Neutraligon]

Bringing the discussion over to the relevant thread.

I'm pretty sure the mentally retarded aren't in distress either, but they are still sick. And no, a mental illness is defined as "A wide range of conditions that affect mood, thinking, and behavior." which is not subject to how the person feels about it.
Gender dysphoria is "the condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex." which, surprise, is a mental illness in the DSM-5. Good try though.

I find it adorable that you think you know better than the American Psychological Association, and that you can prove them wrong with a simplistic analogy and unsourced quotes.

What are your credentials, exactly?

Also, from the American Psychiatric Association:

Not all transgender people suffer from gender dysphoria

And:

Mental Illness...
refers collectively to all diagnosable mental disorders — health conditions involving
- Significant changes in thinking, emotion and/or behavior
- Distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities

One key thing to note is that the distress part cannot be due to social pressures and prejudices.

[Noraika]

Even if a 'cure' was found for gender dysphoria, it wouldn't be ethical to administer. Changing something so fundamental to an individual psychological person-hood isn't some that really could be done ethically. Then there is the fact that this isn't something that needs to be 'cured'. That, in itself, attaches stigma to it, when its perfectly natural to be, and easily possible to live an unhindered and happy and fulfilled life, as a productive member of society, as someone who is, transgender

In addition, its never actually 'curing', but just covering up the symptoms, because the person's gender identity wouldn't change from its natural inclination. As such, its not an actual treatment, and the only actual 'cure' for gender dysphoria is to assist the individual in releaving their gender dysphoria through transition related care.

In addition, it would violate patient autonomy (the highest violation of medical ethics) if you're going to come in and try and prevent gender identity from emerging naturally.

[Bralia]

Bleh. I have no words, just feelings of overwhelming heart-warmingness: http://imgur.com/gallery/3DNJp

[Val Halla]

Bleh. I have no words, just feelings of overwhelming heart-warmingness: http://imgur.com/gallery/3DNJp

that's awesome, stuff like this gives me a little hope

[Sotral]

Bleh. I have no words, just feelings of overwhelming heart-warmingness: http://imgur.com/gallery/3DNJp

I scrolled down the comment section quite a bit and there were very few nasty comments. Makes me happy.

[Grenartia]

Bleh. I have no words, just feelings of overwhelming heart-warmingness: http://imgur.com/gallery/3DNJp

Nice to know I can avoid looking like shit even if my hair has mostly fallen out by the time I start HRT.

[Vilemyr]

Checking in, since I'm Non Binary / Questioning for a long time

[Philjia]

On a minor note, the French version of Vogue has had it's first trans cover star: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... cover-star

[Khalisako]

On a minor note, the French version of Vogue has had it's first trans cover star: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... cover-star

"Error 502 - Bad Gateway".

Whoopsies.

[Vassenor]

On a minor note, the French version of Vogue has had it's first trans cover star: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... cover-star

"Error 502 - Bad Gateway".

Whoopsies.

Works fine for me.

[Khalisako]

"Error 502 - Bad Gateway".

Whoopsies.

Works fine for me.

Ah, works now.

Heh, that outfit she's wearing is a little... uh... exposing. Good werk tho.

[Grenartia]

I got to make a bunch of jabs at the expense of a TERF today. Who saw it and promptly Zuckerberg'd the post. Still, feels good. How many times does a trans person get to say they've called Cathy Brennan out on her bullshit?

[Neutraligon]

I got to make a bunch of jabs at the expense of a TERF today. Who saw it and promptly Zuckerberg'd the post. Still, feels good. How many times does a trans person get to say they've called Cathy Brennan out on her bullshit?

I really want to know more.

[Grenartia]

I got to make a bunch of jabs at the expense of a TERF today. Who saw it and promptly Zuckerberg'd the post. Still, feels good. How many times does a trans person get to say they've called Cathy Brennan out on her bullshit?

I really want to know more.

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

[Hashirajima]

Just dropping by to say hi and wondering if 4mg oestrodiol daily is on the high or low end of the scale.

[Neutraligon]

I really want to know more.

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

That last one...ouch.

[Philjia]

I really want to know more.

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

I endorse this post.

[Mechanisburg]

I really want to know more.

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

"I'm not abusive, you are abusive!" - the staple of every abuser, ever.

Kek, serves her right - props to you, Grenartia.

[Hashirajima]

I really want to know more.

So, I got an FB message reminding me that "Cathy Brennan is a fake goth" is a meme. A year old meme, but one nonetheless. So I decided to search it on FB. Some person had a public status talking about how Cathy had Zuckerberg'd their earlier post warning Seattle-area trans people about Cathy's new girlfriend (who apparently has a lot of trans people in her friends list). A status to which CB also replied.

To which I responded with:

I think someone needs this:

That was great. :3