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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
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24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
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3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
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8%
We Know More About This Than You
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11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
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16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:16 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Val Halla wrote:I don't really worry about the perceptions of random people honestly. But it's the people who "know" you that have the effect

It depends. 33% of trans people in Australia gets attacked with a weapon. I assume it is from strangers.

Most assaults are committed by strangers in Australia.
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Postby Liberonscien » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:06 pm

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Liberonscien wrote:I was discussing transgender stuff on another forum and the following question occurred to me: Is this thread an appropriate place to discuss the theory underlying transgender stuff?

The response that comes to mind is...why wouldn't it be?

I tried doing this on another forum and apparently violated a safe space.
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Postby Khalisako » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:02 pm

Liberonscien wrote:I was discussing transgender stuff on another forum and the following question occurred to me: Is this thread an appropriate place to discuss the theory underlying transgender stuff?

See no reason not to.

As long as it has nothing to do with passing it off as a sexual perversion.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:07 pm

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Noraika wrote:The response that comes to mind is...why wouldn't it be?

I tried doing this on another forum and apparently violated a safe space.

Well, it is a sensitive topic at times, since it's sometimes weaponised against us. As long as we keep in mind that the etiology of trans identity doesn't affect the validity of trans identity, we should be fine.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:28 pm

I'm listening to the Katie Couric special on gender identity.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:29 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:I'm listening to the Katie Couric special on gender identity.

How is it?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:24 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:I'm listening to the Katie Couric special on gender identity.

How is it?

Surprisingly good and favorable for us. :)
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:32 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:How is it?

Surprisingly good and favorable for us. :)


I'm still cringing from the last time she tried to tackle the issue.
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Postby Liberonscien » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:33 pm

Khalisako wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:I was discussing transgender stuff on another forum and the following question occurred to me: Is this thread an appropriate place to discuss the theory underlying transgender stuff?

See no reason not to.

As long as it has nothing to do with passing it off as a sexual perversion.

Of course not. I'm a supporter of the T in LGBT.
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Liberonscien wrote:I tried doing this on another forum and apparently violated a safe space.

Well, it is a sensitive topic at times, since it's sometimes weaponised against us. As long as we keep in mind that the etiology of trans identity doesn't affect the validity of trans identity, we should be fine.

Well, I was sure that it would be fine here but now I'm not sure. I'm looking to analyze transgender stuff, not exactly talk about issues regarding it.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:38 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Surprisingly good and favorable for us. :)


I'm still cringing from the last time she tried to tackle the issue.

It's a hard subject to discuss and the good news is that there's no use of that Paul McHugh who is a bigoted hack.
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Postby Philjia » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:52 am

Vassenor wrote:Isn't the current state of the literature basically "it's a thing, but we're not sure why it happens"?


To be fair, that applies to plenty of neurological conditions.
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Postby Noraika » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:42 pm

Philjia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Isn't the current state of the literature basically "it's a thing, but we're not sure why it happens"?


To be fair, that applies to plenty of neurological conditions.

In the words to a friend in Psychology, "Psych is one of the few sciences where we have no clue what the fuck is going on." :lol2:
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:46 am

Yeah

And this isn't the same issue I mentioned before
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Postby Philjia » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:48 am

Val Halla wrote:Yeah

And this isn't the same issue I mentioned before


Wait, what? I didn't post this because I assumed it was the same BB gun incident, but this is different? That's terrible! :(
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:49 am

Philjia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Yeah

And this isn't the same issue I mentioned before


Wait, what? I didn't post this because I assumed it was the same BB gun incident, but this is different? That's terrible! :(

Yeah. And people say trans people are always treated fine, and that trans people are the evil ones. Fuckin bs
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Postby Philjia » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:54 am

Val Halla wrote:
Philjia wrote:
Wait, what? I didn't post this because I assumed it was the same BB gun incident, but this is different? That's terrible! :(

Yeah. And people say trans people are always treated fine, and that trans people are the evil ones. Fuckin bs


People are jerks.
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:59 am

Philjia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Yeah. And people say trans people are always treated fine, and that trans people are the evil ones. Fuckin bs


People are jerks.

That's certainly an understatement
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Postby Socialist Tera » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:35 am

Val Halla wrote:
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People are jerks.

That's certainly an understatement

Human beings always see themselves as heroes, thus some people who oppress others need to justify the oppression of transgender people by calling them evil.
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Postby Khalisako » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:36 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Val Halla wrote:That's certainly an understatement

Human beings always see themselves as heroes, thus some people who oppress others need to justify the oppression of transgender people by calling them evil.

It is sad, but hopefully things keep improving and justice is better delivered.

Back in the day, an old man I used to know, who was "friend" of the family, shot at his son with a rifle because his son dared to wear ear rings. Chased the boy out the house at a young age, he had to live with friends. The fact that nobody except my mother took issue with it or even had the old fuck put in jail is something of... well, let's just say that it's good that times are changing.

There's still a lot of idiots out there tho. Like this one guy my brother knows. The guy thinks gayness is contagious, so whenever he's around somebody he perceives as LGBT, he has to reaffirm himself by asking his wife/girlfriend if he's straight or not. He hides behind his woman, to shield himself from the gayness. People like him need... an education.
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Postby Minoa » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:42 am

Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/29/her-partner-committed-suicide-then-trump-trolls-showed-up.html

In a nutshell: The Daily Beast (left-bias, high factual reporting) reported that a despicable pro-Trump troll army descended to mock a transgender woman who committed suicide, and Facebook was slow to deal with them.

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Postby Arridian Islands » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:54 pm

Please help me. My... boyfriend, girlfriend, is trans? She's technically female but she is male. I support... him on it. But I'm not into that. I'm not comfortable dating someone who is trans,
Edit: They truly have a great personality, I don't dislike trans people, I just don't swing that way.
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Postby Khalisako » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:55 pm

Arridian Islands wrote:Please help me. My... boyfriend, girlfriend, is trans? She's technically female but she is male. I support... him on it. But I'm not into that. I'm not comfortable dating someone who is trans,

Explain why not?
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Postby Arridian Islands » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:56 pm

Khalisako wrote:
Arridian Islands wrote:Please help me. My... boyfriend, girlfriend, is trans? She's technically female but she is male. I support... him on it. But I'm not into that. I'm not comfortable dating someone who is trans,

Explain why not?

Because sexual preference.
If you think that makes me a bigot or something, that's incredibly stupid. Do gay men hate women?
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Postby Khalisako » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:09 pm

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Khalisako wrote:Explain why not?

Because sexual preference.

I imagine he'll be disappointed. Friendship could be good enough if dating is undoable, I'd think. If that's possible.

There's nothing wrong with your reason tho.
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Postby Arridian Islands » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:28 pm

Khalisako wrote:
Arridian Islands wrote:Because sexual preference.

I imagine he'll be disappointed. Friendship could be good enough if dating is undoable, I'd think. If that's possible.

There's nothing wrong with your reason tho.

Hmm alright. I don't know though. I love them too much to do that.
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