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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:07 pm

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Khalisako wrote:I think it'd be great to teach sex education in first grade. At least before the kids are 10. Granted I'm more concerned with kids who're growing up in the ghetto and're constantly surrounded by idiots with too much time o ntheir hands.

The authorities thought it needed to teach us to stay out of gangs and away from crack while learning us how ot spell in first grade. Sprinkle some sex education in there too would be nice. Teach the kids how ot put on condoms and such.

Honestly, your insinuation that only kids "in the ghetto" are exposed to sex seems tinged with racism to me. :/

Also, as I've said previously, sex education for young children does not encompass actual sexual acts. It's about laying the groundwork.

Neuwland wrote:I'll be honest and frank, I don't believe in this or agree with it.

And you felt the need to come in here and make that post because...?

The teen pregnancy rate is highest in rural areas far from the city at least in my experience.
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Postby Khalisako » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:53 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Khalisako wrote:I think it'd be great to teach sex education in first grade. At least before the kids are 10. Granted I'm more concerned with kids who're growing up in the ghetto and're constantly surrounded by idiots with too much time o ntheir hands.

The authorities thought it needed to teach us to stay out of gangs and away from crack while learning us how ot spell in first grade. Sprinkle some sex education in there too would be nice. Teach the kids how ot put on condoms and such.

Honestly, your insinuation that only kids "in the ghetto" are exposed to sex seems tinged with racism to me. :/

Also, as I've said previously, sex education for young children does not encompass actual sexual acts. It's about laying the groundwork.

Racism probably was involed, but there were still white children in the mix.

Ah, I see. I was thinking of patching up a poisoned groundwork, if that makes any sense. Save on the problems later on. No baby to worry about at ten. THings like that.
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:50 pm

"For more than 100 years, the Boy Scouts of America, along with schools, youth sports and other youth organizations, have ultimately deferred to the information on an individual's birth certificate to determine eligibility for our single-gender programs," the statement said. "However, that approach is no longer sufficient as communities and state laws are interpreting gender identity differently, and these laws vary widely from state to state."

As quoted here the BSA is reversing their ban on Trans- youth. I'm quite glad they've finally decided to reverse this policy, but I am a bit disappointed that it took a lawsuit to do it. (I'm also surprised they changed the policy before the lawsuit took off.) I haven't been able to find out if the change also applies to adult leaders though. If it doesn't I expect that will be changed in a year or two.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:12 pm

The Corparation wrote:
"For more than 100 years, the Boy Scouts of America, along with schools, youth sports and other youth organizations, have ultimately deferred to the information on an individual's birth certificate to determine eligibility for our single-gender programs," the statement said. "However, that approach is no longer sufficient as communities and state laws are interpreting gender identity differently, and these laws vary widely from state to state."

As quoted here the BSA is reversing their ban on Trans- youth. I'm quite glad they've finally decided to reverse this policy, but I am a bit disappointed that it took a lawsuit to do it. (I'm also surprised they changed the policy before the lawsuit took off.) I haven't been able to find out if the change also applies to adult leaders though. If it doesn't I expect that will be changed in a year or two.

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At the same time, the Trump administration is likely to be making anti-LGBT measures in short order.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:14 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
The Corparation wrote:As quoted here the BSA is reversing their ban on Trans- youth. I'm quite glad they've finally decided to reverse this policy, but I am a bit disappointed that it took a lawsuit to do it. (I'm also surprised they changed the policy before the lawsuit took off.) I haven't been able to find out if the change also applies to adult leaders though. If it doesn't I expect that will be changed in a year or two.

source

At the same time, the Trump administration is likely to be making anti-LGBT measures in short order.

Source for this?
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Postby The ISCA » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:At the same time, the Trump administration is likely to be making anti-LGBT measures in short order.

Source for this?

Same one I have for the Trump megathread.
There are a number of rumors swirling that Donald Trump is planning to sign yet another discriminatory executive action – this time specifically targeting the LGBTQ community. While only the White House can speak to the veracity of the rumors, given the administration's track record of championing discrimination in just the last week, HRC is preparing to fight this to the fullest.

“The rumors of an anti-LGBTQ executive action by President Trump are deeply troubling. We already know that he is willing to target and marginalize at-risk communities for his perceived political gain. As the President and his team plan their next steps, we want to make one thing clear: we won't give one inch when it comes to defending equality, whether it is a full-on frontal assault or an attack under the guise of religion. Mike Pence should know that better than anyone given his track record in Indiana," said JoDee Winterhof, the Human Rights Campaign's Senior Vice President for Policy and Political Affairs. “The Human Rights Campaign will stand with those who have already been targeted by this Administration and are prepared to fight tooth and nail against every effort to discriminate.”

Nearly two-thirds of LGBTQ people have reported experiencing discrimination, according to HRC polling.

Then-Governor Mike Pence’s support for a bill in Indiana that was intended to allow businesses to discriminate and deny service to LGBTQ people did massive damage not just to the state’s economy, but his own political standing as well. A survey released in the wake of the disaster showed that the law cost the state as much as $60 million in convention revenue from lost business. The survey from “Visit Indy” found that “12 out-of-state groups were surveyed and all said that the state’s controversial religious objections law played a role in their decision to hold their events elsewhere.” HRC’s poll conducted after the debate found a stunning 75 percent of Hoosiers thought the fight was bad for the state’s economy. The same kind of political fallout torpedoed Pat McCrory’s re-election campaign after he pushed a dangerous and discriminatory anti-LGBTQ bill in North Carolina last year.

Bloomberg reported late Friday that a range of options are under consideration for an executive order that could target LGBTQ people with discrimination, including allowing contractors to discriminate in hiring, allowing taxpayer-funded workers to refuse to serve LGBTQ people or allowing Indiana-style discrimination where contractors could refuse service to LGBTQ people.

Such a move by the Trump administration would also fly in the face of public opinion. The overwhelming majority of Americans support protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination.

Unfortunately, since Congress has not passed the Equality Act, LGBTQ workers in a majority of states today live in fear of being fired or denied a job because of who they are or whom they love.

During the campaign, Donald Trump vowed to reverse nationwide marriage equality, supported North Carolina’s dangerous and vile HB2, and said he would sign the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA), which would enable Kim Davis-style discrimination.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:At the same time, the Trump administration is likely to be making anti-LGBT measures in short order.

Source for this?

I'll get this on the ready, but biased sources are numerous on this matter. Some sources within Congress are expecting an executive order between tonight and Thursday. Any rollback of the existing improved policies would be a defacto anti-LGBT executive order. I will continue to look for better sources.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:24 pm

The ISCA wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Source for this?

Same one I have for the Trump megathread.
There are a number of rumors swirling that Donald Trump is planning to sign yet another discriminatory executive action – this time specifically targeting the LGBTQ community. While only the White House can speak to the veracity of the rumors, given the administration's track record of championing discrimination in just the last week, HRC is preparing to fight this to the fullest.

“The rumors of an anti-LGBTQ executive action by President Trump are deeply troubling. We already know that he is willing to target and marginalize at-risk communities for his perceived political gain. As the President and his team plan their next steps, we want to make one thing clear: we won't give one inch when it comes to defending equality, whether it is a full-on frontal assault or an attack under the guise of religion. Mike Pence should know that better than anyone given his track record in Indiana," said JoDee Winterhof, the Human Rights Campaign's Senior Vice President for Policy and Political Affairs. “The Human Rights Campaign will stand with those who have already been targeted by this Administration and are prepared to fight tooth and nail against every effort to discriminate.”

Nearly two-thirds of LGBTQ people have reported experiencing discrimination, according to HRC polling.

Then-Governor Mike Pence’s support for a bill in Indiana that was intended to allow businesses to discriminate and deny service to LGBTQ people did massive damage not just to the state’s economy, but his own political standing as well. A survey released in the wake of the disaster showed that the law cost the state as much as $60 million in convention revenue from lost business. The survey from “Visit Indy” found that “12 out-of-state groups were surveyed and all said that the state’s controversial religious objections law played a role in their decision to hold their events elsewhere.” HRC’s poll conducted after the debate found a stunning 75 percent of Hoosiers thought the fight was bad for the state’s economy. The same kind of political fallout torpedoed Pat McCrory’s re-election campaign after he pushed a dangerous and discriminatory anti-LGBTQ bill in North Carolina last year.

Bloomberg reported late Friday that a range of options are under consideration for an executive order that could target LGBTQ people with discrimination, including allowing contractors to discriminate in hiring, allowing taxpayer-funded workers to refuse to serve LGBTQ people or allowing Indiana-style discrimination where contractors could refuse service to LGBTQ people.

Such a move by the Trump administration would also fly in the face of public opinion. The overwhelming majority of Americans support protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination.

Unfortunately, since Congress has not passed the Equality Act, LGBTQ workers in a majority of states today live in fear of being fired or denied a job because of who they are or whom they love.

During the campaign, Donald Trump vowed to reverse nationwide marriage equality, supported North Carolina’s dangerous and vile HB2, and said he would sign the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA), which would enable Kim Davis-style discrimination.


I guess I missed that there. It's a pity. I'm sure it's to protect the liberty of Americans to discriminate against other Americans.
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Postby The ISCA » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:33 pm

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I guess I missed that there. It's a pity. I'm sure it's to protect the liberty of Americans to discriminate against other Americans.

It probably all is aimed at that end and it's fucking disgusting. Trump should remember that when you think of your nation you have no room for prejudice.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:18 pm

Farnhamia wrote:

I guess I missed that there. It's a pity. I'm sure it's to protect the liberty of Americans to discriminate against other Americans.

Oh, joy. The freedom to discriminate can only be a good thing. /s
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I have no idea about why my dysphoria is so inconsistent.
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Postby Minoa » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:13 pm

Source: http://www.snopes.com/trump-transgenders-on-notice/

I'm outing a false rumour from a fake news site (TMZHipHop) that President Trump planned to criminalize transgender people, in case anyone posted it thinking that it was real.

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Postby Philjia » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:17 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:I have no idea about why my dysphoria is so inconsistent.


Since when has psychology ever made sense?
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I'm getting worried nobody takes my transition seriously
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:20 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I'm getting worried nobody takes my transition seriously

What's it matter what others think?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:32 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I'm getting worried nobody takes my transition seriously

What's it matter what others think?

Not much. It's more how it feels. Like, I'm not dressing more feminine, I'm not acting more feminine, I just am growing out my hair and working on a girlish voice. I want people too see me as a girl, but it's hard because I don't want to a particularly girl girl. Does that make sense?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:33 pm

Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.snopes.com/trump-transgenders-on-notice/

I'm outing a false rumour from a fake news site (TMZHipHop) that President Trump planned to criminalize transgender people, in case anyone posted it thinking that it was real.

What is real however is the grave alarm that Donald Trump’s short temper is causing, as well as Steve Bannon’s past with the far right-wing site Breitbart.

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Not to mention what Mike Pence has done as Governor of Indiana.

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The Serbian Empire wrote:I have no idea about why my dysphoria is so inconsistent.


Since when has psychology ever made sense?

At this point, it's fairly light except for when something goes up, my mood goes down.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:35 pm

Honestly, right now I'm feeling kind of hopeless about my own chances of transitioning successfully.
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:40 pm

Vassenor wrote:Honestly, right now I'm feeling kind of hopeless about my own chances of transitioning successfully.

How come? You look great, and dresws great. You just need confidence.
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Postby Khalisako » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:53 pm

Vassenor wrote:Honestly, right now I'm feeling kind of hopeless about my own chances of transitioning successfully.

What's up, eH?
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Postby Philjia » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:51 am

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Honestly, right now I'm feeling kind of hopeless about my own chances of transitioning successfully.

How come? You look great, and dresws great. You just need confidence.


^ I second this.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:12 am

The lack of confidence is one thing.

The persistent fear of ostracism by friends and family is another.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:16 am

Vassenor wrote:The lack of confidence is one thing.

The persistent fear of ostracism by friends and family is another.


You can't lie to them forever. Sooner or later, you'll have to make those leaps of faith.
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Postby Khalisako » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:26 am

Vassenor wrote:The lack of confidence is one thing.

The persistent fear of ostracism by friends and family is another.

It is always difficult.

Try not to focus to much on the possible bad people tho, as the ones who're good with you will compinsate for the possible loss. Much joy.

If they leave? Well, perhaps it was for the best.

Best of fortunes to you, yes.
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