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Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby Shikihara » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:14 am

Finally got up the nerve to call the Planned Parenthood center in my area, and asked them about the LGBT services listed on their website, but they said they didn't have any.

On one hand, proud that I finally followed through with my commitment to call. But can't help feel empty.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:36 am

Shikihara wrote:Finally got up the nerve to call the Planned Parenthood center in my area, and asked them about the LGBT services listed on their website, but they said they didn't have any.

On one hand, proud that I finally followed through with my commitment to call. But can't help feel empty.


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Postby Khasinkonia » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:52 pm

Shikihara wrote:Finally got up the nerve to call the Planned Parenthood center in my area, and asked them about the LGBT services listed on their website, but they said they didn't have any.

On one hand, proud that I finally followed through with my commitment to call. But can't help feel empty.

Well hey, if it’s there one of the regional planned parenthood centres ought to have something. If at first you don’t succeed, try try again! :hug:

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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:18 pm

Less than 3 weeks away but I can't help but feel cynical about my appointment.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:44 pm

Val Halla wrote:Less than 3 weeks away but I can't help but feel cynical about my appointment.

Why?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Shikihara wrote:Finally got up the nerve to call the Planned Parenthood center in my area, and asked them about the LGBT services listed on their website, but they said they didn't have any.

On one hand, proud that I finally followed through with my commitment to call. But can't help feel empty.


A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Even if that step is shorter than you had hoped. :hug:

Or with mine stalled out by lack of money.
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:49 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Even if that step is shorter than you had hoped. :hug:

Or with mine stalled out by lack of money.


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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:16 am

Val Halla wrote:Less than 3 weeks away but I can't help but feel cynical about my appointment.


Gf said they were actually pretty good. Feedback is generally that they've got better and a bit more flexible. Negated somewhat by the ever-expanding wait time at start and between appointments, but...

Just make sure to get there in plenty of time but also bring something with headphones. It is likely one person in the waiting room will be socially inappropriate in conversation topic, unfunny and slightly creepy, yet unable to not have the loudest and most embarrassing conversation with an unwilling victim in the waiting room. No-one knows if this is an actual person waiting for their appointment or someone laid on by the gatekeeping regime as a further disincentive, but someone will fit the bill.

You can usually detect their presence through terrible body odour in the case of the younger, or elephantine unshaven legs - for some unfathomable reason, displayed via miniskirt - in the case of the older.

Signalling unavailability and avoiding eye contact is your best hope to avoid becoming that victim.

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Postby Jhman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:19 am

Auzkhia wrote:I'm agender, I'm fine with most masculine terms, except "man", at least it lets me to tell people that I'm not. I've been wanting to look more fem, as long it lets people know that I am not cis and het.

Is that social dysphoria?

No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

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Serrus
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Postby Serrus » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:47 am

Jhman wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I'm agender, I'm fine with most masculine terms, except "man", at least it lets me to tell people that I'm not. I've been wanting to look more fem, as long it lets people know that I am not cis and het.

Is that social dysphoria?

No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

I think you have an agender you're trying to push on us.
And I don't like it.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:47 am

Serrus wrote:
Jhman wrote:No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

I think you have an agender you're trying to push on us.
And I don't like it.


Strong banter.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Serrus » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:53 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Serrus wrote:I think you have an agender you're trying to push on us.
And I don't like it.


Strong banter.

I think I broke his shtick.
Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:maybe japan wanted the zombie attack.

Possible. Zombies are cool now.

Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.

This is why rules exist, kids!
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
You glorifted ducking wanabe sea pheasant

Platapusses are not rel

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:01 am

Serrus wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Strong banter.

I think I broke his shtick.


Sounds painful.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Serrus » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:03 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Serrus wrote:I think I broke his shtick.


Sounds painful.

So's his logic.
Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:maybe japan wanted the zombie attack.

Possible. Zombies are cool now.

Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.

This is why rules exist, kids!
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
You glorifted ducking wanabe sea pheasant

Platapusses are not rel

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Esheaun Stroakuss
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:12 am

Jhman wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I'm agender, I'm fine with most masculine terms, except "man", at least it lets me to tell people that I'm not. I've been wanting to look more fem, as long it lets people know that I am not cis and het.

Is that social dysphoria?

No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world


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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:45 am

Jhman wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I'm agender, I'm fine with most masculine terms, except "man", at least it lets me to tell people that I'm not. I've been wanting to look more fem, as long it lets people know that I am not cis and het.

Is that social dysphoria?

No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

Hi I am also agender. Please learn the difference between sex and gender.
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:50 am

Jhman wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I'm agender, I'm fine with most masculine terms, except "man", at least it lets me to tell people that I'm not. I've been wanting to look more fem, as long it lets people know that I am not cis and het.

Is that social dysphoria?

No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

Do you even have any ideas of your own? Or are you just a caricature of some fundie reactionary?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Jhman
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Postby Jhman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:12 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Jhman wrote:No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

Hi I am also agender. Please learn the difference between sex and gender.


why don't you get help ?

or be a man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

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Auzkhia
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:16 pm

Jhman wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I'm agender, I'm fine with most masculine terms, except "man", at least it lets me to tell people that I'm not. I've been wanting to look more fem, as long it lets people know that I am not cis and het.

Is that social dysphoria?

No you have a Gender ! There is no such thing in the world

My own existence proves you wrong.
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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:17 pm

Jhman wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hi I am also agender. Please learn the difference between sex and gender.


why don't you get help ?

or be a man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

Why does it matter?

Because you can't grasp the idea that perhaps our mental biology isn't so cut and dry? Because perhaps some people may be inherently uncomfortable with these physical forms that don't match their mental selves?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:22 pm

Jhman wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hi I am also agender. Please learn the difference between sex and gender.


why don't you get help ?

or be a man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria


:rofl: So, anyone else realize exactly how funny this quote is?
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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:56 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Jhman wrote:
why don't you get help ?

or be a man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria


:rofl: So, anyone else realize exactly how funny this quote is?

I don't find his quote funny......
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:09 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
:rofl: So, anyone else realize exactly how funny this quote is?

I don't find his quote funny......

Well first to be a man I would need to be trans since I am female. Second, I am agender because I cannot feel gender dysphoria.
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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:10 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Less than 3 weeks away but I can't help but feel cynical about my appointment.


Gf said they were actually pretty good. Feedback is generally that they've got better and a bit more flexible. Negated somewhat by the ever-expanding wait time at start and between appointments, but...

Just make sure to get there in plenty of time but also bring something with headphones. It is likely one person in the waiting room will be socially inappropriate in conversation topic, unfunny and slightly creepy, yet unable to not have the loudest and most embarrassing conversation with an unwilling victim in the waiting room. No-one knows if this is an actual person waiting for their appointment or someone laid on by the gatekeeping regime as a further disincentive, but someone will fit the bill.

You can usually detect their presence through terrible body odour in the case of the younger, or elephantine unshaven legs - for some unfathomable reason, displayed via miniskirt - in the case of the older.

Signalling unavailability and avoiding eye contact is your best hope to avoid becoming that victim.

#GIChacks

Mine is in a hospital. So... random folks in waiting room.

I remember it being really warm, but this was in August
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:03 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Jhman wrote:
why don't you get help ?

or be a man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria


:rofl: So, anyone else realize exactly how funny this quote is?


Honestly, its almost as funny as the time somebody railed against a trans lady in one of the countless abortion threads because they thought she had multiple abortions.

Val Halla wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Gf said they were actually pretty good. Feedback is generally that they've got better and a bit more flexible. Negated somewhat by the ever-expanding wait time at start and between appointments, but...

Just make sure to get there in plenty of time but also bring something with headphones. It is likely one person in the waiting room will be socially inappropriate in conversation topic, unfunny and slightly creepy, yet unable to not have the loudest and most embarrassing conversation with an unwilling victim in the waiting room. No-one knows if this is an actual person waiting for their appointment or someone laid on by the gatekeeping regime as a further disincentive, but someone will fit the bill.

You can usually detect their presence through terrible body odour in the case of the younger, or elephantine unshaven legs - for some unfathomable reason, displayed via miniskirt - in the case of the older.

Signalling unavailability and avoiding eye contact is your best hope to avoid becoming that victim.

#GIChacks

Mine is in a hospital. So... random folks in waiting room.

I remember it being really warm, but this was in August


Wait. British hospitals are warm even in the summer?
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