Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Grenartia]

I mean, it really was an honest mistake. She doesn't say she's trans in her sig, so its pretty easy to mistake her for cis. That's the problem with being stealth.

1. She's mentioned it before 2. and she's posted in the trans thread. 3. The fault lies in the wrongful assumption that all trans people declare themselves as such, or should do, in said sigs, and that therefore someone without it in there must be cis.

We can now proceed to the "whoops, sorry" bit for Vass' wrongful assumption. Very quick, very easy, stops this pantomime where the one on the other side of the thought-free misconception is supposed to somehow be at fault.

1. And? People forget. Also, people may not always be present, and/or may skip ahead to the current page. Simply mentioning it one time half a thread ago doesn't mean everyone will remember that you're trans.

2. Simply posting in the trans thread doesn't make somebody trans. And if you didn't know she's said she's trans before, you'd have nothing to go on to know she's trans.

3. Not what I was saying, but nice try.

[Grenartia]

I mean, I'm simply pointing out how it looks from our perspective, and how this is almost exclusively a problem seen in cis people. You don't see trans people rating a -2 on the Contrapoints Scale.

Cisgenedered people make up the vast majority of the population (as far as I know at least, I'd honestly be surprised if I were wrong), not to mention that they're not usually affected directly by the issue, therefore making them the outsider looking in so to speak. So, it really isn't that surprising that it's almost exclusively cisgendered who don't really understand.

I mean, if you swap "cis" for "white", all of those factual statements would apply (in a hypothetical conversation on white people and race relations), but it still wouldn't justify ignorance about systemic racism.

Trans people who vote to strip rights away from other trans people honestly suck.

It's a shame that Caitlyn Jenner has come to represent the community.

Ditto. What's really confusing to me is that she doesn't support same-sex marriage, even though she was technically in several, gender-wise (even if she wasn't out then). That must require a lot of mental gymnastics.

It honestly takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be any kind of conservative and be transgender.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It honestly takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be any kind of conservative and be transgender.

In America, perhaps. Elsewhere it depends, simply because the term "conservative" means so many different things in so many different places to so many different people.

Some hard-right "neo-reactionary" groups call themselves conservatives, yes. But some centre-right social liberals also call themselves conservatives, and in some Scandinavian countries some people who call themselves conservatives are left of the European political mean on most issues.

Anyone who values order, stability and gradual change could feasibly lay claim to the label, and none of that is necessarily incompatible.

[The Parkus Empire]

Cisgenedered people make up the vast majority of the population (as far as I know at least, I'd honestly be surprised if I were wrong), not to mention that they're not usually affected directly by the issue, therefore making them the outsider looking in so to speak. So, it really isn't that surprising that it's almost exclusively cisgendered who don't really understand.

I mean, if you swap "cis" for "white", all of those factual statements would apply (in a hypothetical conversation on white people and race relations), but it still wouldn't justify ignorance about systemic racism.

Ditto. What's really confusing to me is that she doesn't support same-sex marriage, even though she was technically in several, gender-wise (even if she wasn't out then). That must require a lot of mental gymnastics.

It honestly takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be any kind of conservative and be transgender.

I am very much a classical conservative in that I am opposed to internationalism (except in a much more restricted sense--I certainly oppose universal political or economic systems), against deficit spending, and against law being changed by the courts instead of the legislature. I do sympathize with transfolk however because their lives are at risk and because they generally uphold the belief that gender isn't a choice or purely performative; I see the gender is a choice or performative crowd as the actual subverters of society and culture, not transfolk who are fighting more to just not be picked on. I am far from trans, but I can imagine gender dysphoria and I think it would be riduculous to assert transfolk and doctors are making it up.

[Philjia]

It honestly takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be any kind of conservative and be transgender.

I'd question the wisdom of voting for a conservative party if you're trans, since it's more likely to be filled with candidates who inherently hate you, but it doesn't preclude one from believing in most of whatever conservatives believe this month.

[Cekoviu]

It honestly takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be any kind of conservative and be transgender.

I'd question the wisdom of voting for a conservative party if you're trans, since it's more likely to be filled with candidates who inherently hate you, but it doesn't preclude one from believing in most of whatever conservatives believe this month.

Dumb Ideologies was right -- I could see voting for the Moderate Party in Sweden or another similar party in Europe as a trans person, as it's pretty much equivalent to the Democratic Party but may be characterized as "conservative." Voting for Republicans, though, is absolutely ridiculous.

[The Parkus Empire]

I'd question the wisdom of voting for a conservative party if you're trans, since it's more likely to be filled with candidates who inherently hate you, but it doesn't preclude one from believing in most of whatever conservatives believe this month.

Dumb Ideologies was right -- I could see voting for the Moderate Party in Sweden or another similar party in Europe as a trans person, as it's pretty much equivalent to the Democratic Party but may be characterized as "conservative." Voting for Republicans, though, is absolutely ridiculous.

The Federalists/Whigs (U.S.)/Republicans ceased to really be conservative with Buckley and Reagan. The term "neocon" for instance, makes about as much sense as calling isolationism "Neo-Wilsonian", or Objectivism "Neo-Communitarianism".

[Nature-Spirits]

One of my trans lady friends on Facebook just made this really sweet post about buying a doll and treating it as a child and tucking her in at night and it was the most wholesome thing and I wanted to share that my heart is melting right now kthanks.

[Vassenor]

One of my trans lady friends on Facebook just made this really sweet post about buying a doll and treating it as a child and tucking her in at night and it was the most wholesome thing and I wanted to share that my heart is melting right now kthanks.

[New Greater Netherlands]

One of my trans lady friends on Facebook just made this really sweet post about buying a doll and treating it as a child and tucking her in at night and it was the most wholesome thing and I wanted to share that my heart is melting right now kthanks.

My heart just melt I guess that this is about that age doesn't matter?

[Mancoco]

I don't support these people, most of the time I have seen these people beg for money. Transgenders are harass people for debt recovery and are recruited in other rackets such as prostitution, gambling and other illegal proffessions. I do not support them and want this practice to end

[Cekoviu]

I don't support these people, most of the time I have seen these people beg for money. Transgenders are harass people for debt recovery and are recruited in other rackets such as prostitution, gambling and other illegal proffessions. I do not support them and want this practice to end

Literally what?

[New Greater Netherlands]

I don't support these people, most of the time I have seen these people beg for money. Transgenders are harass people for debt recovery and are recruited in other rackets such as prostitution, gambling and other illegal proffessions. I do not support them and want this practice to end

That's just bullshit

[Mancoco]

I don't support these people, most of the time I have seen these people beg for money. Transgenders are harass people for debt recovery and are recruited in other rackets such as prostitution, gambling and other illegal proffessions. I do not support them and want this practice to end

That's just bullshit

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 933965.cms

[Cekoviu]

That's just bullshit

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 933965.cms

Some people are jerks, news at 11. Also consider that she may have needed to steal money because a lot of trans people, especially in less accepting countries like India, are fired or can't find a job because of their gender identity and this happened to her.

[Dumb Ideologies]

One of my trans lady friends on Facebook just made this really sweet post about buying a doll and treating it as a child and tucking her in at night and it was the most wholesome thing and I wanted to share that my heart is melting right now kthanks.

Must hold back urge to make...snarky...comment...

I don't support these people, most of the time I have seen these people beg for money. Transgenders are harass people for debt recovery and are recruited in other rackets such as prostitution, gambling and other illegal proffessions. I do not support them and want this practice to end

Oh...never mind. We've got a live one. You owe us for this uninformed trash and if you don't pay up to TransUsuryCorp we're gonna give you concrete shoes so you can play strip-blackjack with the fishes as their hooker.

[Mancoco]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 933965.cms

Some people are jerks, news at 11. Also consider that she may have needed to steal money because a lot of trans people, especially in less accepting countries like India, are fired or can't find a job because of their gender identity and this happened to her.

India is more accepting of this than others, they also forcefully castrate. Western influences have made things much worse

[Cekoviu]

One of my trans lady friends on Facebook just made this really sweet post about buying a doll and treating it as a child and tucking her in at night and it was the most wholesome thing and I wanted to share that my heart is melting right now kthanks.

Must hold back urge to make...snarky...comment...

I don't support these people, most of the time I have seen these people beg for money. Transgenders are harass people for debt recovery and are recruited in other rackets such as prostitution, gambling and other illegal proffessions. I do not support them and want this practice to end

Oh...never mind. We've got a live one. You owe us for this uninformed trash and if you don't pay up to TransUsuryCorp we're gonna give you concrete shoes so you can play strip-blackjack with the fishes as their hooker.

The trans cabal has a lot of connections with some unsavory folk, you'd do well not to piss us off.

[Cekoviu]

Some people are jerks, news at 11. Also consider that she may have needed to steal money because a lot of trans people, especially in less accepting countries like India, are fired or can't find a job because of their gender identity and this happened to her.

India is more accepting of this than others, they also forcefully castrate.

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[Mancoco]

India is more accepting of this than others, they also forcefully castrate.

?????

Only 1 percent of eunuchs are born so, while the rest either pretend to be hijras (eunuch) or have been forced to join the community by abduction and castration, reveals a study by the All-India Hijra Kalyan Sabha (AIHKS)

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/lgbtq-t ... 57525.html

[Cekoviu]

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Only 1 percent of eunuchs are born so, while the rest either pretend to be hijras (eunuch) or have been forced to join the community by abduction and castration, reveals a study by the All-India Hijra Kalyan Sabha (AIHKS)

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/lgbtq-t ... 57525.html

That's terrible. I don't see what this has to do with your claim that India is more accepting of trans people than other countries, though.

[Mancoco]

Only 1 percent of eunuchs are born so, while the rest either pretend to be hijras (eunuch) or have been forced to join the community by abduction and castration, reveals a study by the All-India Hijra Kalyan Sabha (AIHKS)

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/lgbtq-t ... 57525.html

That's terrible. I don't see what this has to do with your claim that India is more accepting of trans people than other countries, though.

Well Historically so, I am against it completely. Transgenders have a community for thousand years or so, it is essentially criminal in my view but lot of people event want blessings and call these people to dance at weddings for blessings

[Dumb Ideologies]

Must hold back urge to make...snarky...comment...



Oh...never mind. We've got a live one. You owe us for this uninformed trash and if you don't pay up to TransUsuryCorp we're gonna give you concrete shoes so you can play strip-blackjack with the fishes as their hooker.

The trans cabal has a lot of connections with some unsavory folk, you'd do well not to piss us off.

Next we're gonna mail 'im 'is own head, stuffed full of tiny toy horses.

[The Serbian Empire]

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Only 1 percent of eunuchs are born so, while the rest either pretend to be hijras (eunuch) or have been forced to join the community by abduction and castration, reveals a study by the All-India Hijra Kalyan Sabha (AIHKS)

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/lgbtq-t ... 57525.html

India's got some big problems. Rape, forced castration to make hijras, and so on...

One of my trans lady friends on Facebook just made this really sweet post about buying a doll and treating it as a child and tucking her in at night and it was the most wholesome thing and I wanted to share that my heart is melting right now kthanks.

I think that's the closest thing I could get to having a child.

[Shikihara]

That's just bullshit

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 933965.cms

"Transgender people in India commit crimes ergo all transgender people are criminals. Never mind the socioeconomic reasons that some hijra resort to crime and prostitution to make a living."

From the article:

The transgender arrested for killing Srinivasan at Minjur told police she was angry because he pulled her blouse. While it was first thought that around six transgenders assaulted Srinivasan, the Korrukupet Railway Police on Saturday said only Sangeetha was involved.