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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:27 am

Aellex wrote:
Grenartia wrote:This. So much. Its like trying to dispute a math professor on 1+1=2.

It's quite wonderful to see people thinking that just because they made two google search, they suddenly have a mastery of a subject and their opinion is now gospel truth.
I mean, it's not like professors actually have to study for years and are tested on their knowledge multiple times before getting a diploma nor like math isn't the same thing at all as gender studies, being an actual science unlike them.
As for the second part :
Let a ∈ IR and b ∈ IR with a = b.
Then a^2=b^2 then a^2 = ab then a^2 - b^2 = ab - b^2 thus (a+b)*(a-b)=b(a-b) therefore (a+b) = b.
Finally, with a = b = 1 then (1 + 1) = 1.

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The Blaatschapen wrote:You're dividing by zero.

Good, someone is seeing it at last. This trick is a big one, the one for (∞)Σ(n=0) n = -1/12 is a slightly subtler one but both are quite funny.


That one isn't a trick: it's just a misunderstanding of what analytic continuations are.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Aellex wrote:Good, someone is seeing it at last. This trick is a big one, the one for (∞)Σ(n=0) n = -1/12 is a slightly subtler one but both are quite funny.


The one I like most is the proof for 0.999999999...=1

But back to the topic, neither biology nor sociology are as rigid as math.


And that one is just true.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Shikihara » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:48 am

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> antagonizes all cisgender people.
> expects to change their minds.


Now you know how we feel all the time y'all talk down to us.


Not agreeing with self-serving patronizing bullshit suddenly means someone is cisgender, and one who talks down to transgender people no less. :roll:

I suppose I better leave due to not being trans™ enough. All those times getting bullied for being "effeminate" weren't enough.
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Postby Aellex » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:54 am

Salandriagado wrote:That one isn't a trick: it's just a misunderstanding of what analytic continuations are.

Twould be hard when complexes aren't used to begin with. There is no need to get all fancy, it's just some basic raisonement inductif and indeed a trick insofar as it's doing something you aren't allowed to in order to find a result you can not find.
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Postby Aellex » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:55 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:But back to the topic, neither biology nor sociology are as rigid as math.

It probably has to do with not being a science to begin with for the latter.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:16 pm

Aellex wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:But back to the topic, neither biology nor sociology are as rigid as math.

It probably has to do with not being a science to begin with for the latter.

And why would you say that? Because sociologists disagree with you on the subject of gender?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:26 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aellex wrote:It probably has to do with not being a science to begin with for the latter.

And why would you say that? Because sociologists disagree with you on the subject of gender?


If you move the "latter" a bit... well, latter, then it becomes true: maths isn't a science.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:27 pm

Aellex wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:But back to the topic, neither biology nor sociology are as rigid as math.

It probably has to do with not being a science to begin with for the latter.


Asking the science question is the best way to start a catfight in a room of sociologists.

As the delegates whack each other over the heads with plastic chairs and cups, the guy on stage writes it up as a twenty page article.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:52 pm

Shikihara wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Now you know how we feel all the time y'all talk down to us.


Not agreeing with self-serving patronizing bullshit suddenly means someone is cisgender, and one who talks down to transgender people no less. :roll:

I suppose I better leave due to not being trans™ enough. All those times getting bullied for being "effeminate" weren't enough.


...Are you seriously going to play the guilt trip card over an honest mistake?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Shikihara wrote:
Not agreeing with self-serving patronizing bullshit suddenly means someone is cisgender, and one who talks down to transgender people no less. :roll:

I suppose I better leave due to not being trans™ enough. All those times getting bullied for being "effeminate" weren't enough.


...Are you seriously going to play the guilt trip card over an honest mistake?


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Postby Aillyria » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:00 pm

Shikihara wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Now you know how we feel all the time y'all talk down to us.


Not agreeing with self-serving patronizing bullshit suddenly means someone is cisgender, and one who talks down to transgender people no less. :roll:

I suppose I better leave due to not being trans™ enough. All those times getting bullied for being "effeminate" weren't enough.

That's how it is, if you don't toe the mainstream LBGT line, you must be cis or hetero. :^)
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:04 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Shikihara wrote:
Not agreeing with self-serving patronizing bullshit suddenly means someone is cisgender, and one who talks down to transgender people no less. :roll:

I suppose I better leave due to not being trans™ enough. All those times getting bullied for being "effeminate" weren't enough.

That's how it is, if you don't toe the mainstream LBGT line, you must be cis or hetero. :^)

What? Caitlyn Jenner votes Republican and is still transgender. :blink:
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Postby Aillyria » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:08 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's how it is, if you don't toe the mainstream LBGT line, you must be cis or hetero. :^)

What? Caitlyn Jenner votes Republican and is still transgender. :blink:

Most people don't know that. If they did, their heads would asplode.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:40 pm

Shikihara wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
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inb4 "NOT ALL CIS", yes, we know, but its literally the overwhelming majority of cis people, and almost never trans people.


> antagonizes all cisgender people.
> expects to change their minds.


I mean, I'm simply pointing out how it looks from our perspective, and how this is almost exclusively a problem seen in cis people. You don't see trans people rating a -2 on the Contrapoints Scale.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:53 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Shikihara wrote:
Not agreeing with self-serving patronizing bullshit suddenly means someone is cisgender, and one who talks down to transgender people no less. :roll:

I suppose I better leave due to not being trans™ enough. All those times getting bullied for being "effeminate" weren't enough.

That's how it is, if you don't toe the mainstream LBGT line, you must be cis or hetero. :^)


I mean, it really was an honest mistake. She doesn't say she's trans in her sig, so its pretty easy to mistake her for cis. That's the problem with being stealth.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:03 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:What? Caitlyn Jenner votes Republican and is still transgender. :blink:

Most people don't know that. If they did, their heads would asplode.

Please elaborate. I'm pretty sure nearly everybody who knows anything about Caitlyn Jenner past her name knows she's trans.
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Postby Captain Albert Alexander Hamilton » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:13 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Most people don't know that. If they did, their heads would asplode.

Please elaborate. I'm pretty sure nearly everybody who knows anything about Caitlyn Jenner past her name knows she's trans.


I assume they meant her voting Republican
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:07 am

Grenartia wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's how it is, if you don't toe the mainstream LBGT line, you must be cis or hetero. :^)


I mean, it really was an honest mistake. She doesn't say she's trans in her sig, so its pretty easy to mistake her for cis. That's the problem with being stealth.


She's mentioned it before and she's posted in the trans thread. The fault lies in the wrongful assumption that all trans people declare themselves as such, or should do, in said sigs, and that therefore someone without it in there must be cis.

We can now proceed to the "whoops, sorry" bit for Vass' wrongful assumption. Very quick, very easy, stops this pantomime where the one on the other side of the thought-free misconception is supposed to somehow be at fault.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:14 am

Grenartia wrote:I mean, I'm simply pointing out how it looks from our perspective, and how this is almost exclusively a problem seen in cis people. You don't see trans people rating a -2 on the Contrapoints Scale.


Cisgenedered people make up the vast majority of the population (as far as I know at least, I'd honestly be surprised if I were wrong), not to mention that they're not usually affected directly by the issue, therefore making them the outsider looking in so to speak. So, it really isn't that surprising that it's almost exclusively cisgendered who don't really understand.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:25 am

When did it become assholish to say we'd rather not be talked down to by people who admit they don't know what they're talking about?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:28 am

Vassenor wrote:When did it become assholish to say we'd rather not be talked down to by people who admit they don't know what they're talking about?


When did you admit that you don't know what you're talking about?
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Postby Philjia » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:28 am

Petty sniping again? Vass, just apologise. DI, stop trying to antagonise Vass.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:53 am

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Cekoviu wrote:Please elaborate. I'm pretty sure nearly everybody who knows anything about Caitlyn Jenner past her name knows she's trans.


I assume they meant her voting Republican

Trans people who vote to strip rights away from other trans people honestly suck.

It's a shame that Caitlyn Jenner has come to represent the community.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:56 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Captain Albert Alexander Hamilton wrote:
I assume they meant her voting Republican

Trans people who vote to strip rights away from other trans people honestly suck.

It's a shame that Caitlyn Jenner has come to represent the community.

Ditto. What's really confusing to me is that she doesn't support same-sex marriage, even though she was technically in several, gender-wise (even if she wasn't out then). That must require a lot of mental gymnastics.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:53 pm

Vassenor wrote:...Bring back the glitter bombs.

No that's gay terrorism. Or potentially an SCP.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:06 am

The Alexanderians wrote:
Vassenor wrote:...Bring back the glitter bombs.

No that's gay terrorism. Or potentially an SCP.


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We need tactical response and a deep clean unit to Queer Co., stat!

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