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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby Philjia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:07 am

Khalisako wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But rapists... :roll:

..?

What about them?

Sexual predators definitely want to enter women's bathrooms in drag to commit sex offences, right? /s
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Postby Corrian » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:08 am

Free Maronites wrote:While that probably won't appease the conservatives, it's definitely a better model that saves money as well.

Don't really care about appeasing conservatives in this regard, so, since they have pretty much no idea on these topics.
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Postby Khalisako » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:14 am

Philjia wrote:
Khalisako wrote:..?

What about them?

Sexual predators definitely want to enter women's bathrooms in drag to commit sex offences, right? /s

Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:18 am

Khalisako wrote:
Philjia wrote:Sexual predators definitely want to enter women's bathrooms in drag to commit sex offences, right? /s

Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.


Maybe the stairs up to the loo turn into a slide unless you're in a dress and when you hit the bottom Snape takes 100 points from Rapenclaw.
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Postby Khalisako » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:20 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Khalisako wrote:Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.


Maybe the stairs up to the loo turn into a slide unless you're in a dress and when you hit the bottom Snape takes 100 points from Rapenclaw.

No idea.

I fidn this conversation to be of a symptom of a relatively decently functioning society cooknig up problems for itself because it's not much to think about these days.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:21 am

Khalisako wrote:
Philjia wrote:Sexual predators definitely want to enter women's bathrooms in drag to commit sex offences, right? /s

Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.


Someone should tell the TERFs that then. For some reason the idea that you don't actually need a cover story to rape someone has escaped them.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:22 am

Khalisako wrote:
Philjia wrote:Sexual predators definitely want to enter women's bathrooms in drag to commit sex offences, right? /s

Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.

If anything, drag would be detrimental to the plan. Doesn't stop republicans thinking about it an awful lot though. ;)
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Postby Khalisako » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
Khalisako wrote:Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.


Someone should tell the TERFs that then. For some reason the idea that you don't actually need a cover story to rape someone has escaped them.

What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:22 am

Khalisako wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Someone should tell the TERFs that then. For some reason the idea that you don't actually need a cover story to rape someone has escaped them.

What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?


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Postby Corrian » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:23 am

I always thought the whole bathroom thing was the stupidest argument, hence me not caring to appease conservatives who actually fell for that bathroom nonsense in North Carolina. Like some creep is going to go into a bathroom if you like it or not, and some stupid ban isn't going to change anything.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:28 am

Khalisako wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Someone should tell the TERFs that then. For some reason the idea that you don't actually need a cover story to rape someone has escaped them.

What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?

They are that delightful subsection of feminist that is also transphobic. Colossal wankers.
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Postby Khalisako » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:34 am

Philjia wrote:
Khalisako wrote:What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?

They are that delightful subsection of feminist that is also transphobic. Colossal wankers.

Ahh, I see.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:36 am

Philjia wrote:
Khalisako wrote:What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?

They are that delightful subsection of feminist that is also transphobic. Colossal wankers.


I'd amend that to "the subsection that dare to be openly transphobic", but I think that would probably be going back over territory that I have trodden here many a time - even the most melodious and profound of tunes grate with excessive repetition.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
Khalisako wrote:What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?


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Who act like a bunch of thugs, so calling them a gang isn't too far off.
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Postby Xaseqomehia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:53 am

Philjia wrote:
Khalisako wrote:Oddly enough, drag isn't required for that.

If anything, drag would be detrimental to the plan. Doesn't stop republicans thinking about it an awful lot though. ;)

The thing that I can't help but find almost hilariously ironic is that, despite the republican senators and congressmen being even fewer in number than transpeople, they somehow have multiple orders more sex offenders.
Philjia wrote:
Khalisako wrote:What the fuck is a TERF?

That like slang for a gang territory or summat?

They are that delightful subsection of feminist that is also transphobic. Colossal wankers.

I think at some point it's impossible to ask for more rights in the name of equality when the folks you're supposed to be equal to already have less options. Which is why they're such jerks, because they're no longer asking for equality but rather asking for superiority.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:55 am

Xaseqomehia wrote:
Philjia wrote:If anything, drag would be detrimental to the plan. Doesn't stop republicans thinking about it an awful lot though. ;)

The thing that I can't help but find almost hilariously ironic is that, despite the republican senators and congressmen being even fewer in number than transpeople, they somehow have multiple orders more sex offenders.
Philjia wrote:They are that delightful subsection of feminist that is also transphobic. Colossal wankers.

I think at some point it's impossible to ask for more rights in the name of equality when the folks you're supposed to be equal to already have less options. Which is why they're such jerks, because they're no longer asking for equality but rather asking for superiority.


I'd be in favour of separate bathrooms for Republican senators and congressmen.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:55 am

Xaseqomehia wrote:
Philjia wrote:If anything, drag would be detrimental to the plan. Doesn't stop republicans thinking about it an awful lot though. ;)

The thing that I can't help but find almost hilariously ironic is that, despite the republican senators and congressmen being even fewer in number than transpeople, they somehow have multiple orders more sex offenders.
Philjia wrote:They are that delightful subsection of feminist that is also transphobic. Colossal wankers.

I think at some point it's impossible to ask for more rights in the name of equality when the folks you're supposed to be equal to already have less options. Which is why they're such jerks, because they're no longer asking for equality but rather asking for superiority.


I'd be in favour of separate bathrooms for Republican senators and congressmen.
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Postby Staniel » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:53 am

Can someone explain to me this: Why is transitioning the best option for gender dysphoria? Doesn't that seem to help the disorder persist? Why pretend to be someone that you're not for the rest of your life? How is that mentally sound? In that case, then multiple personality disorder should be normalized in people. It just doesn't make any sense.

So, yeah, that's my $0.02 on this.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:02 am

Staniel wrote:Can someone explain to me this: Why is transitioning the best option for gender dysphoria? Doesn't that seem to help the disorder persist? Why pretend to be someone that you're not for the rest of your life? How is that mentally sound? In that case, then multiple personality disorder should be normalized in people. It just doesn't make any sense.

So, yeah, that's my #?$0.02 on this.


The American currency must have devalued if that tired old tripe is worth 2 cents.

There is no "pretending to be someone you're not" entailed in transitioning. A few strands of DNA do not define the authentic self nor a mandatory life path. Transition is a pathway that has a proven track record in allowing people to live happier and more fulfilled lives, while on the other hand saying "nuh-uh", denying effective treatment and pretending you can argue someone's core identity away has a proven track record in leading to abject human misery.

Drop those two cents back down behind your sofa or invest them in basic research penny stocks, champ.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:27 am

Staniel wrote:Can someone explain to me this: Why is transitioning the best option for gender dysphoria? Doesn't that seem to help the disorder persist? Why pretend to be someone that you're not for the rest of your life? How is that mentally sound? In that case, then multiple personality disorder should be normalized in people. It just doesn't make any sense.

So, yeah, that's my $0.02 on this.


Oh hey, we're doing slippery slopes again.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:32 am

Vassenor wrote:
Staniel wrote:Can someone explain to me this: Why is transitioning the best option for gender dysphoria? Doesn't that seem to help the disorder persist? Why pretend to be someone that you're not for the rest of your life? How is that mentally sound? In that case, then multiple personality disorder should be normalized in people. It just doesn't make any sense.

So, yeah, that's my $0.02 on this.


Oh hey, we're doing slippery slopes again.


That would imply that multiple personality disorder is on the same slope.

It's not. It's a different mountain :p
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Postby Cyrisnia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:47 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
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Oh hey, we're doing slippery slopes again.


That would imply that multiple personality disorder is on the same slope.

It's not. It's a different mountain :p

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Postby Philjia » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:14 am

Staniel wrote:Can someone explain to me this: Why is transitioning the best option for gender dysphoria? Doesn't that seem to help the disorder persist? Why pretend to be someone that you're not for the rest of your life? How is that mentally sound?

Trans people are normal in all respects except that their gender identity does not match their physical characteristics. Instead of attempting to fundamentally alter their brains, which is both difficult and unethical, we alter their flesh.

In that case, then multiple personality disorder should be normalized in people. It just doesn't make any sense.

Dissociative identity disorder is an entirely different thing.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:34 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
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Oh hey, we're doing slippery slopes again.


That would imply that multiple personality disorder is on the same slope.

It's not. It's a different mountain :p

It's a whole different mountain range.
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Postby East Kerbin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:36 am

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