Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Grenartia]

I find it funny how you play this game that trans people have to put ourselves in danger when dating to satisfy somebody's irrational and unreasonable demands.

It's not any more unreasonable than a Jew asking if the food he's ordering at a restaurant is kosher.

Then, just like in your example, its entirely up to the person in question to make their preference known. If I'm on a date (ignoring the fact that I mostly only date other trans people, and I make sure that I date cis people who are into trans people), and I hear the other person say that being trans is a dealbreaker, then I will politely excuse myself, pay whatever I owe, and leave.

[The V O I D]

Yeah, and? They'll probably bring up their infertility the moment kids are mentioned; they might also be open to adoption. You know, give one of the hundreds of thousands of kids out there a loving home.

It being against your religion isn't relevant to them because they are not necessarily of your religion. So therefore, yeah, it might be relevant to you, but it is irrelevant to the trans person.

All of your reasoning just points out further that it is your job to point out you won't date trans people, not the trans person's job to point out that they are trans.

Dealbreakers work both ways. You can't say "Whether I hate black people is irrelevant to the relationship, because you're not black"; if someone has reasons to not want to be with someone, then that's as good a reason as any other.

Try reading the sentence before that. They are not necessarily of your religion, and they may not know it is against your religion, so therefore as far as they are concerned it is irrelevant to any discussion until it is actually brought up in some fashion.

[Khalisako]

Entirely serious. I've had sex after the first date before.

That's pretty trashy, tbh.

I wasn't gonna say it like that, but... yeah- I agree.

If you try hard enough, people are food.

Come get your PRIMCE CUTS. They're TOP NOTCH.

[Grenartia]

It's not any more unreasonable than a Jew asking if the food he's ordering at a restaurant is kosher.

>literally comparing people to food

what the fuck.

I thought it was by UMN's own admission that he's not really had any romantic success.

[The V O I D]

>literally comparing people to food

what the fuck.

>the least important part of the comparison
The comparison is the breaking of religious tenets.

Which if you happen to be dating outside of your religion, the person you're dating won't know or won't necessarily care about because it is irrelevant to them and whatever religion they may or may not be apart of.

[Inzunza]

>the least important part of the comparison
The comparison is the breaking of religious tenets.

Don't say that. Religion is boring but food is great. Everyone likes food so let's focus on the food.

[The V O I D]

>literally comparing people to food

what the fuck.

I thought it was by UMN's own admission that he's not really had any romantic success.

Well, now I see why.

[Telconi]

I find it funny how you play this game that there's no acceptable reason someone could have for not wanting to date a trans person.

I find it funny how you play this game that trans people have to put ourselves in danger when dating to satisfy somebody's irrational and unreasonable demands.

I don't think danger is inherently baked into revealing that a person is trans. While some people would react with hostility, I imagine that's someone you wouldn't wish to be dating anyhow.

Secondly, I don't see how eventually building a family is "irrational and unreasonable". It's a very important part of relationship building.

[The V O I D]

I find it funny how you play this game that trans people have to put ourselves in danger when dating to satisfy somebody's irrational and unreasonable demands.

I don't think danger is inherently baked into revealing that a person is trans. While some people would react with hostility, I imagine that's someone you wouldn't wish to be dating anyhow.

Secondly, I don't see how eventually building a family is "irrational and unreasonable". It's a very important part of relationship building.

>forgetting adoption and the hundreds of thousands, bordering on millions, of kids without homes or families to love them
>sweats profusely

[United Muscovite Nations]

I thought it was by UMN's own admission that he's not really had any romantic success.

Well, now I see why.

In fairness to myself, that's less because of any interactions I've had with women, and more to do with lack of interaction.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

I find it funny how you play this game that trans people have to put ourselves in danger when dating to satisfy somebody's irrational and unreasonable demands.

I don't think danger is inherently baked into revealing that a person is trans. While some people would react with hostility, I imagine that's someone you wouldn't wish to be dating anyhow.

Secondly, I don't see how eventually building a family is "irrational and unreasonable". It's a very important part of relationship building.

To be honest, it isn't...it just looks that way from the lens of our society. Would be best to probe if someone doesn't care so much about trans people that they harbor fantasies of getting to use the trans panic defense someday prior to dating them but I'm not entirely sure Tinder helps on that field...
Family building is important after all.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't think danger is inherently baked into revealing that a person is trans. While some people would react with hostility, I imagine that's someone you wouldn't wish to be dating anyhow.

Secondly, I don't see how eventually building a family is "irrational and unreasonable". It's a very important part of relationship building.

>forgetting adoption and the hundreds of thousands, bordering on millions, of kids without homes or families to love them
>sweats profusely

Lots of people want to have children of their own.

[Aellex]

There are acceptable reasons: the trans person happens to also be a bitch/douchebag; the trans person is abusive; the trans person is a crazy stalker boyfriend/girlfriend type.

Not wanting to date a trans person for being trans makes about as much sense as not wanting to date a black person for being black. And it is just as transphobic as the latter situation is most definitely racist.

You forgot another acceptable reason and the main one for most people : "Not being gay." ;^)

[The Blaatschapen]

Are you being serious or jesting?

Entirely serious. I've had sex after the first date before.

Prude.

Why have the date at all?

Random hookups at parties

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

I don't think danger is inherently baked into revealing that a person is trans. While some people would react with hostility, I imagine that's someone you wouldn't wish to be dating anyhow.

Secondly, I don't see how eventually building a family is "irrational and unreasonable". It's a very important part of relationship building.

>forgetting adoption and the hundreds of thousands, bordering on millions, of kids without homes or families to love them
>sweats profusely

I'm pretty sure Telconi wasn't leaving them out.

Well, now I see why.

In fairness to myself, that's less because of any interactions I've had with women, and more to do with lack of interaction.

Same here but this isn't about cis dudes dating, it's about trans people...

[The Blaatschapen]

There are acceptable reasons: the trans person happens to also be a bitch/douchebag; the trans person is abusive; the trans person is a crazy stalker boyfriend/girlfriend type.

Not wanting to date a trans person for being trans makes about as much sense as not wanting to date a black person for being black. And it is just as transphobic as the latter situation is most definitely racist.

You forgot another acceptable reason and the main one for most people : "Not being gay." ;^)

I'm not gay.

I'd still date an MtF.

Argument does not make sense?

[Aellex]

>forgetting adoption and the hundreds of thousands, bordering on millions, of kids without homes or families to love them
>sweats profusely

>implying peoples won't always prefer to have their own blood and flesh rather than someone else's kid

[Grenartia]

I find it funny how you play this game that trans people have to put ourselves in danger when dating to satisfy somebody's irrational and unreasonable demands.

1. I don't think danger is inherently baked into revealing that a person is trans. 2. While some people would react with hostility, I imagine that's someone you wouldn't wish to be dating anyhow.

3. Secondly, I don't see how eventually building a family is "irrational and unreasonable". It's a very important part of relationship building.

1. Are you trans?

2. Cis people say that all the time, and on paper, its true, but the simple fact is, the people who react with hostility DON'T usually advertize it beforehand, so its impossible to know who will react with hostility and who won't.

3. That has nothing to do with what I said.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Entirely serious. I've had sex after the first date before.

Prude.

Why have the date at all?

Random hookups at parties

That also works, I'm not picky.

[Inzunza]

Btw, I asked a question earlier in the thread. Not to take away from the topic at hand, but now that there are a lot more people online, maybe there will be better answers than what I've seen.

I'm not here to belittle those who are transgender or identify with a completely different gender, but because I'm pretty ignorant (and also because I want to get my total forum post numbers up, so please be patient with me).

That being said, I don't understand the identifications of gender beyond being male or female. If you were born female but want to be male and have a sex change, good on you; I'm glad you were able to get said sex change. However, terms like "bi-gender" or "gender fluid" baffle me. What defines a trait of the opposite gender? If you have female genitalia and don't like wearing a dress but prefer wearing men's clothing, then wear men's clothing. If you want to wear a dress and have male genitalia, then wear a dress. Society shouldn't dictate what you should and should not do, but at the same time I don't think you should have a term to justify wanting to do what you please.

To me, extensive classifications are just... excessive. But then again, I'm pretty ignorant on the topic matter. *shrug*

[Grenartia]

>forgetting adoption and the hundreds of thousands, bordering on millions, of kids without homes or families to love them
>sweats profusely

Lots of people want to have children of their own.

Surrogacy.

[Omnonia]

Not wanting to date a trans person for being trans makes about as much sense as not wanting to date a black person for being black. And it is just as transphobic as the latter situation is most definitely racist.

That's still a perfectly acceptable reason. Every reason not to date someone is perfectly valid and acceptable, and must be accepted and respected. Fullstop. Anything else is selfish entitlement - nobody has a right to be dated. It's a privilege, and can be legitimately withheld for every reason.

And yes, raising a fuss over "because you're black" is nothing but selfish entitlement, too, in this context. No if, no but, end of story.

[Grenartia]

There are acceptable reasons: the trans person happens to also be a bitch/douchebag; the trans person is abusive; the trans person is a crazy stalker boyfriend/girlfriend type.

Not wanting to date a trans person for being trans makes about as much sense as not wanting to date a black person for being black. And it is just as transphobic as the latter situation is most definitely racist.

You forgot another acceptable reason and the main one for most people : "Not being gay." ;^)

Then if you're a man, don't date FtMs, and if you're a woman, don't date MtFs.

[Aellex]

I'm not gay.

I'd still date an MtF.

Argument does not make sense?

Well, sorry to break it to you but you're "bicurious" at least, then.

[Aellex]

Then if you're a man, don't date FtMs, and if you're a woman, don't date MtFs.

Tis made harder by people like VOID and Neutraligon and you advocating them to hide their condition.