Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[The Blaatschapen]

It's not possible as a man to rape someone without feeling any speck of sexual attraction. Self-repressed gays or bi at least makes more sense, sorry.

It is very possible for a man to rape someone without feeling any sexual attraction.

Also for a woman, I guess.

[Grenartia]

You are entitled to your wrong opinion. I, for one, refuse to put myself in danger simply to appease your and others' judgment, for the sake of somebody else's minor issue of personal comfort. Talk to me when they're actually in danger.

It's not a minor issue of personal comfort, it's tricking someone into doing something they wouldn't otherwise do, and which, in some communities can have serious consequences for the person tricked into breaking their code.

Dear lord, you're acting like its on par with making somebody an unwitting accomplice to murder. At worst, its equivalent to giving somebody a chip from somebody else's bag.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because both doctrines formally and unequivocally condemn it.

The existence of queer Catholics and Muslims renders that claim bullshit.

No, it just proves that there are people who disregard the doctrines:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a6.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_I ... slamic_law

[Neutraligon]

It is very possible for a man to rape someone without feeling any sexual attraction.

Also for a woman, I guess.

Yeah that is kinda obvious.

[Aellex]

And yet you do it again.

Or so you claiming by presenting a quote of me not saying anything of the kind.

Fucking person with vagina is not of gay for man.

>implying it actually is a vagina
Yeah, no. Once more, it's alright if people are into that but as an heterosexual man, I believe that traps are gays and nothing will makes me think otherwise.
Not judging people who're into it, just stating my honest opinion.

[Vassenor]

So we're back to #notruescotsman again?

[Grenartia]

They did not lie about their sex either.

They did by only presenting themselves as being of their "gender" and never revealing that they are trans. A lie by omission is a lie nonetheless.

Man, that's some grade A bullshit you're trying to sell. How much is it per pound?

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's not a minor issue of personal comfort, it's tricking someone into doing something they wouldn't otherwise do, and which, in some communities can have serious consequences for the person tricked into breaking their code.

Dear lord, you're acting like its on par with making somebody an unwitting accomplice to murder.

Why is it ever okay to trick someone into violating their religious beliefs?

[Liriena]

Since being gay means to feel actual sexual attraction I have no doubt it is possible to rape someone of the same sex without being gay. As long as there is no sexual attraction at all there is no homosexuality.

It's not possible as a man to rape someone without feeling any speck of sexual attraction. Self-repressed gays or bi at least makes more sense, sorry.

The penis is not a rational organ, and in some circumstances it can go against its owner's wishes and/or sexual orientation. In the case of male-on-male rape where the perpetrator is straight, the perpetrator doesn't necessarily need to be secretly attracted to men to get an erection.

[Khalisako]

And yet you do it again.

Or so you claiming by presenting a quote of me not saying anything of the kind.

Fucking person with vagina is not of gay for man.

>implying it actually is a vagina
Yeah, no. Once more, it's alright if people are into that but as an heterosexual man, I believe that traps are gays and nothing will makes me think otherwise.
Not judging people who're into it, just stating my honest opinion.

Trap is gay person dress as woman, like the bacha bazi boy, of course that gay.

We talk about transsexual and such here, not the trap gays.

[Neutraligon]

And yet you do it again.

Or so you claiming by presenting a quote of me not saying anything of the kind.

Fucking person with vagina is not of gay for man.

>implying it actually is a vagina
Yeah, no. Once more, it's alright if people are into that but as an heterosexual man, I believe that traps are gays and nothing will makes me think otherwise.
Not judging people who're into it, just stating my honest opinion.

Yo believing it so does not make it so. Oh and the nothing can make me think otherwise goes to show that you are unwilling to actually listen to evidence. As to just stating my opinion....I could state that I believe that niggers are inferior to all other races, and then say not judging people who have sex with niggers I just think they are having sex with animals. Would not change the fact I am judging.

[Grenartia]

Dear lord, you're acting like its on par with making somebody an unwitting accomplice to murder.

Why is it ever okay to trick someone into violating their religious beliefs?

Why is it ok to expect somebody to endanger themselves so somebody else doesn't have a petty existential crisis over events outside their control?

[Luminesa]

Depends, since such revelations can place the trans individual in danger.

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

I mean...my understanding would be that I would want to know who I am having sex with...It doesn't have to lead to someone getting hurt and dying. A.) The people who beat and kill trans people for being trans, after having sex with them, are crazy, and B). openness, communication, and mutual respect should be part of any relationship, otherwise it's not a good relationship.

[Aellex]

Not their fault people make assumptions that because one look a certain way one is a certain sex. So no they did not lie. And once again revealing they are trans places them in direct physical danger. Even if it where a deception a deception to protect oneself is not a morally bad thing.

Wow, getting even more disgustingly lower now, are we? Good to see your argument is now officially morally bankrupt.
And yep, they very much lied and you showcased exactly how they're tricking people by doing so.

Yeah, once more, if you think you're putting yourself at risk by revealing to someone you're trans before you have sex with them; then what do you expect to happen by doing so after you had?

[Grenartia]

Or so you claiming by presenting a quote of me not saying anything of the kind.

>implying it actually is a vagina
Yeah, no. Once more, it's alright if people are into that but as an heterosexual man, I believe that traps are gays and nothing will makes me think otherwise.
Not judging people who're into it, just stating my honest opinion.

Trap is gay person dress as woman, like the bacha bazi boy, of course that gay.

We talk about transsexual and such here, not the trap gays.

Actually, a lot of traps are trans, and a lot are attracted to women.

[Liriena]

It is very possible for a man to rape someone without feeling any sexual attraction.

Do you talk from experience? Doesn't change the fact that having gay-sex with someone to "correct" his gayness isn't something someone actually heterosexual would do.

Except it's not "gay sex". It's rape. And rape doesn't necessitate sexual attraction.

[Neutraligon]

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

I mean...my understanding would be that I would want to know who I am having sex with...It doesn't have to lead to someone getting hurt and dying. A.) The people who beat and kill trans people for being trans, after having sex with them, are crazy, and B). openness, communication, and mutual respect should be part of any relationship, otherwise it's not a good relationship.

Them being crazy does not change the fact that it places trans individuals in danger.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why is it ever okay to trick someone into violating their religious beliefs?

Why is it ok to expect somebody to endanger themselves so somebody else doesn't have a petty existential crisis over events outside their control?

Because they would merely be telling the truth. If it is okay to trick people into violating their moral code, then that violates the principles of liberalism that give people autonomy over their actions.

[Aellex]

Man, that's some grade A bullshit you're trying to sell. How much is it per pound?

Oh the utter lack of self-awareness! Oh the sweet, sweet irony!

[Aellex]

Trap is gay person dress as woman, like the bacha bazi boy, of course that gay.

We talk about transsexual and such here, not the trap gays.

Both are traps in my poor normie's eyes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Trap is gay person dress as woman, like the bacha bazi boy, of course that gay.

We talk about transsexual and such here, not the trap gays.

Actually, a lot of traps are trans, and a lot are attracted to women.

This is a level of debate that has not been settled by the trap-scholars of /pol/, /jp/, /b/, etc. This is above our paygrade, this is the big leagues of "smash or pass?" philosophical debate.

[Neutraligon]

Not their fault people make assumptions that because one look a certain way one is a certain sex. So no they did not lie. And once again revealing they are trans places them in direct physical danger. Even if it where a deception a deception to protect oneself is not a morally bad thing.

Wow, getting even more disgustingly lower now, are we? Good to see your argument is now officially morally bankrupt.
And yep, they very much lied and you showcased exactly how they're tricking people by doing so.

Funny since I view myself as having the high ground while you are getting disgustingly lower and lower. Since not once did they lie and not once did they trick people I have no issue with what they did. They presented themselves exactly as they are. With the personality they have and the looks they have. When they had sex they did so with the organs they had. Once again no deception. Tell me an XY person who is female because of hormone stuff, do they have to say they are male? Are they tricking someone by having sex with a person without telling them they have that condition? I see no tricking going on at all

Yeah, once more, if you think you're putting yourself at risk by revealing to someone you're trans before you have sex with them; then what do you expect to happen by doing so after you had?

You are first assuming this is a relationship and not a one night stand, in which case they will likely never see each other again. You are also assuming they will wait until after sex to tell. Now, why are you making either of those assumptions?

[Neutraligon]

Why is it ok to expect somebody to endanger themselves so somebody else doesn't have a petty existential crisis over events outside their control?

Because they would merely be telling the truth. If it is okay to trick people into violating their moral code, then that violates the principles of liberalism that give people autonomy over their actions.

And them telling the truth places them in direct danger of being beaten up or killed. And once again you assume that they are breaking their own moral code.

[Grenartia]

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

1. I mean...my understanding would be that I would want to know who I am having sex with... 2. It doesn't have to lead to someone getting hurt and dying. A.) The people who beat and kill trans people for being trans, after having sex with them, are crazy, and B). openness, communication, and mutual respect should be part of any relationship, otherwise it's not a good relationship.

1. We all in the trans community know its pretty much impossible to hide your status as trans (unless you've had bottom surgery, which is often too expensive for most of us to get before having sex, and some even have to have sex to pay for it) when it comes time for sex. The common wisdom is disclosure prior to sex (preferably not right before, but when you sense things are going to head in that direction, certainly take a break to do so).

2. In an ideal world, that would actually be the case. Unfortunately, that isn't borne out.

[Aellex]

Yo believing it so does not make it so. Oh and the nothing can make me think otherwise goes to show that you are unwilling to actually listen to evidence. As to just stating my opinion....I could state that I believe that niggers are inferior to all other races, and then say not judging people who have sex with niggers I just think they are having sex with animals. Would not change the fact I am judging.

Evidences of what? That having sex with traps isn't gay ? Better come up with some good ones, lad, then!
Also wew with your comparison. Actually implying that not being into gay sex is at the level of being a """""race realist""""" ? Gud bait, fam!