Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Grenartia]

Also, I'd like to point out that Trump's taxpayer-funded golf trips each cost more than the total yearly expenditure on transition-related healthcare for transgender servicemembers.

I think its time we drop the flimsy pretense about this being an "expenditures" decision.

Anyone saying this was a decision based on expenditure is lying to someone else, or themselves.

The policy that enables transgender people to serve in the military was one enacted by Obama's administration.
This was a decision based on this administration's obsession with getting rid of Obama's policies.

Obviously. Though, I'm sure there's more to it than simply undoing anything they can with Obama's name attached to it. This is one of those things Trump does to gain favor with Pence's base.

[Pope Joan]

I wonder whether this is a clever ploy to divert media attention away from Russian meddling with the US election?

[Grenartia]

I wonder whether this is a clever ploy to divert media attention away from Russian meddling with the US election?

Probably.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

Also, I'd like to point out that Trump's taxpayer-funded golf trips each cost more than the total yearly expenditure on transition-related healthcare for transgender servicemembers.

I think its time we drop the flimsy pretense about this being an "expenditures" decision.

Anyone saying this was a decision based on expenditure is lying to someone else, or themselves.

The policy that enables transgender people to serve in the military was one enacted by Obama's administration.
This was a decision based on this administration's obsession with getting rid of Obama's policies.

Hit the nail right on the head. This is about trying to split the moderate Republicans so that they spend their political capital on this rather than resisting the effort to repeal the ACA.

That and feeding Trump's ego by handing him an 'easy win', etc.

[Grenartia]

Anyone saying this was a decision based on expenditure is lying to someone else, or themselves.

The policy that enables transgender people to serve in the military was one enacted by Obama's administration.
This was a decision based on this administration's obsession with getting rid of Obama's policies.

Hit the nail right on the head. This is about trying to split the moderate Republicans so that they spend their political capital on this rather than resisting the effort to repeal the ACA.

That and feeding Trump's ego by handing him an 'easy win', etc.

Nah. I'm not convinced the moderate Republicans hold any sympathy for us. This is a public distraction, not a congressional one.

EDIT: Besides, there's not much that Congress could do without Trump's approval in this department, even if a majority of both houses were on our side.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

Hit the nail right on the head. This is about trying to split the moderate Republicans so that they spend their political capital on this rather than resisting the effort to repeal the ACA.

That and feeding Trump's ego by handing him an 'easy win', etc.

Nah. I'm not convinced the moderate Republicans hold any sympathy for us. This is a public distraction, not a congressional one.

EDIT: Besides, there's not much that Congress could do without Trump's approval in this department, even if a majority of both houses were on our side.

Certainly they weren't on our side, but a lot of them weren't vocally opposed either. Trump's objective seems to be the further politicisation of trans issues, so that Republicans are coerced into staying in his camp by the Religious Right. It hands Trump a 'victory', which makes him easier to manage, pleases a powerful lobby, and puts internal opponents in a difficult political position.

I don't think Trump's personally invested in this issue. I don't think he's personally invested in anything other than his own ego.

[Vassenor]

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[Great Savaya]

I wonder whether this is a clever ploy to divert media attention away from Russian meddling with the US election?

Whatever you say, sir (political) Schizo.

[Telconi]

Nah. I'm not convinced the moderate Republicans hold any sympathy for us. This is a public distraction, not a congressional one.

EDIT: Besides, there's not much that Congress could do without Trump's approval in this department, even if a majority of both houses were on our side.

Certainly they weren't on our side, but a lot of them weren't vocally opposed either. Trump's objective seems to be the further politicisation of trans issues, so that Republicans are coerced into staying in his camp by the Religious Right. It hands Trump a 'victory', which makes him easier to manage, pleases a powerful lobby, and puts internal opponents in a difficult political position.

I don't think Trump's personally invested in this issue. I don't think he's personally invested in anything other than his own ego.

Moderate Dems and moderate Republicans just need to get together and form a third party.

[Kash Island]

Certainly they weren't on our side, but a lot of them weren't vocally opposed either. Trump's objective seems to be the further politicisation of trans issues, so that Republicans are coerced into staying in his camp by the Religious Right. It hands Trump a 'victory', which makes him easier to manage, pleases a powerful lobby, and puts internal opponents in a difficult political position.

I don't think Trump's personally invested in this issue. I don't think he's personally invested in anything other than his own ego.

Moderate Dems and moderate Republicans just need to get together and form a third party.

what makes a "moderate" Dem or "Republican"?

[Telconi]

Moderate Dems and moderate Republicans just need to get together and form a third party.

what makes a "moderate" Dem or "Republican"?

-Shrug- I don't have a comprehensive definition for you. But a good starting point would be Democrat or Republican congressional representatives that were willing to buck the party line for what they felt was right.

[Khalisako]

I laugh inprivate at the peoplewho thinkjust becuzI used ot bea male that I now havemy lipss around cok wall the time and am onlygoodforsexing formoeny.

Inot a prostitute. I don't do prosititutions..

But theseguysthat don't knowI transdon't act like that. They trea t mewitha degree of respect I think... I ffuunnoo..

NOt really a problem,

[The Blaatschapen]

This is a thread in the English language.

[Grenartia]

This is a thread in the English language.

They might've been drunk. I could figure out what they were saying quite well.

[Nazbol Pudding Club]

This is a thread in the English language.

They might've been drunk. I could figure out what they were saying quite well.

Are you the vodka whisperer?

[Grenartia]

They might've been drunk. I could figure out what they were saying quite well.

Are you the vodka whisperer?

Anyone who hung out in the Midnight Madness panel during the RP Symposium could tell you the answer to that is a resounding yes.

[Philjia]

I laugh inprivate at the peoplewho thinkjust becuzI used ot bea male that I now havemy lipss around cok wall the time and am onlygoodforsexing formoeny.

Inot a prostitute. I don't do prosititutions..

But theseguysthat don't knowI transdon't act like that. They trea t mewitha degree of respect I think... I ffuunnoo..

NOt really a problem,

Are you on the bottle again?

[The Blaatschapen]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40591750

Understandable idea, but I have been so used to “Ladies and Gentlemen” for a long time, and personally I never took offence to the former.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeech.

It plays to the "PC gone mad" and an "overpowerful trans lobby making disproportionate demands on how everyone else speaks" narratives. It's the kind of story that alienates people and can be the kind of insignificant little straw that breaks the back of someone's tolerance and makes them say "sod off" to the whole thing.

Well meaning, but were enough people really offended to rock the boat train to start with?

Guess whose railways also just changed it.

[Khalisako]

I laugh inprivate at the peoplewho thinkjust becuzI used ot bea male that I now havemy lipss around cok wall the time and am onlygoodforsexing formoeny.

Inot a prostitute. I don't do prosititutions..

But theseguysthat don't knowI transdon't act like that. They trea t mewitha degree of respect I think... I ffuunnoo..

NOt really a problem,

Are you on the bottle again?

Yes, i apologize.
I seems to have blown through almost 1/3 of a litre of everclear this morning. There's an optimism in the air now, so not as suicidal.

Probably going to smash the bottle outside soon, though it would be $22 down the drain.

[Philjia]

Are you on the bottle again?

Yes, i apologize.
I seems to have blown through almost 1/3 of a litre of everclear this morning. There's an optimism in the air now, so not as suicidal.

Probably going to smash the bottle outside soon, though it would be $22 down the drain.

Everclear has some household utility as an improvised disinfectant, paint stripper, and insect killer, but if you're worried you're going to drink it I absolutely encourage getting rid of the nasty stuff.

[Khalisako]

Yes, i apologize.
I seems to have blown through almost 1/3 of a litre of everclear this morning. There's an optimism in the air now, so not as suicidal.

Probably going to smash the bottle outside soon, though it would be $22 down the drain.

Everclear has some household utility as an improvised disinfectant, paint stripper, and insect killer, but if you're worried you're going to drink it I absolutely encourage getting rid of the nasty stuff.

Just did.

There a small section of pavement in town that's very rid of bacteria at the moment. ^_______________^;

[Philjia]

Everclear has some household utility as an improvised disinfectant, paint stripper, and insect killer, but if you're worried you're going to drink it I absolutely encourage getting rid of the nasty stuff.

Just did.

There a small section of pavement in town that's very rid of bacteria at the moment. ^_______________^;

Well done Khali. You did the right thing.

[Conaim]

To be honest, I think the only good reason to ban trans form the military is that...maybe their bodies just aren't cut out for that sort of thing- I mean the surgery probably f*cks up the muscles in their crotch and legs and stuff and they just overall are not as capable as untouched people, but if that was the case then they just should be banned form the front line not the military as a whole.

Anyone get what I'm saying. I mean we don't let crippled or schizophrenic people in the millitary do we?

[The Blaatschapen]

To be honest, I think the only good reason to ban trans form the military is that...maybe their bodies just aren't cut out for that sort of thing- I mean the surgery probably f*cks up the muscles in their crotch and legs and stuff and they just overall are not as capable as untouched people, but if that was the case then they just should be banned form the front line not the military as a whole.

Anyone get what I'm saying. I mean we don't let crippled or schizophrenic people in the millitary do we?

If a transgender person can pass the physical and mental health tests for a position, they should be able to serve in said position.

[Conaim]

To be honest, I think the only good reason to ban trans form the military is that...maybe their bodies just aren't cut out for that sort of thing- I mean the surgery probably f*cks up the muscles in their crotch and legs and stuff and they just overall are not as capable as untouched people, but if that was the case then they just should be banned form the front line not the military as a whole.

Anyone get what I'm saying. I mean we don't let crippled or schizophrenic people in the millitary do we?

If a transgender person can pass the physical and mental health tests for a position, they should be able to serve in said position.

Okay, but what if the change happens after they are in, should they at least take the test again?