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Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby Khalisako » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:07 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Khalisako wrote:You got it done with the government tho, yes?

I myself couldn't give a shit about the fuckin university, tho, i imagine if they want their informaiton to work out they'll eventually need to update.


At this point I have not gone through any legal process to change my name, no.

And the reason that is important is because I don't really want to be burdened with my most important qualification referring to me by my birth name for the rest of my life.

I think you need legal name change before they could be forced to alter your information accordingly to compyl with la or whatever. I don't particularlly understand it much. NAme change should be allowed by anybody regardless of situaiton, last I heard. tho, when I did it I had ot give a reason. I said i'm trans, but probably could've given whatever other reason to justify.

Various instituations will participate in a little corruption by allowing oyu to change oyu gender form male to female o nyour paperwork, but where oyu live, I dont know which ones would do that. You'd have to ask.
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Postby Noraika » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:19 pm

Khalisako wrote:
Noraika wrote:I know that here in the States that's expensive as all hell...over $500 just to file, and then there's the matter that if there's any issue you have to go to court, which in my case would mean an extra $200 to fly back to my home state, and then that's not covering a hotel or a car rental...it's not that easy unfortunately. :(

I managed to scrape together the money for legal name change. Cost me around $400 in tot and I was able to accomplish it locally tho.

It can be done, tho seems to vary by region. I had to save up that money tho, which could only be done when I didn't have anything else to pay out for.

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Khalisako wrote:Are you attemptngl egal name change?


It's unclear whether my university will accept a deed poll or if I need to show my GRC when I have it before they will re-issue.



Ooo, I can actually be useful: I had to change my name just after I started university (for a much more minor reason: some numpty typed it in wrong). They said that they were perfectly happy to accept a deed poll, but I ended up just giving them my passport instead. For some weird reason, they didn't accept provisional drivers licenses, but did accept full drivers licenses.



Noraika wrote:
Khalisako wrote:Are you attemptngl egal name change?

I know that here in the States that's expensive as all hell...over $500 just to file, and then there's the matter that if there's any issue you have to go to court, which in my case would mean an extra $200 to fly back to my home state, and then that's not covering a hotel or a car rental...it's not that easy unfortunately. :(


That, at least, is a lot easier in the UK: under UK law, the way to legally change your name is just to go by the new name, and it's done. There's a thing called Deed Polls that are useful to persuade banks and things that you aren't trying to defraud them when the names start changing, but legally speaking, you can just do it.
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:36 pm

This isn't about the name on the system. This is about what name is printed on the certificate I get in June.

To quote directly:
Degree certificates

Once a person has obtained a Gender Reassignment Certificate, they can apply to have their degree certificate issued \ reissued in their new name. If a person has changed their name by deed poll or statutory declaration and is already living in that name, any new documents should be provided at the earliest opportunity. Because of the legal status of a degree certificate, a degree certificate should not be reissued in a new name without the student legally changing their name or acquiring a GRC issued in the UK or from an ‘approved country or territory'.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:This isn't about the name on the system. This is about what name is printed on the certificate I get in June.

To quote directly:
Degree certificates

Once a person has obtained a Gender Reassignment Certificate, they can apply to have their degree certificate issued \ reissued in their new name. If a person has changed their name by deed poll or statutory declaration and is already living in that name, any new documents should be provided at the earliest opportunity. Because of the legal status of a degree certificate, a degree certificate should not be reissued in a new name without the student legally changing their name or acquiring a GRC issued in the UK or from an ‘approved country or territory'.


The names on ours are just the ones from the system: that will be where they pull the data from for the certificates. It shouldn't be too late to do it now, I wouldn't have thought.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:45 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Vassenor wrote:This isn't about the name on the system. This is about what name is printed on the certificate I get in June.

To quote directly:


The names on ours are just the ones from the system: that will be where they pull the data from for the certificates. It shouldn't be too late to do it now, I wouldn't have thought.


Like I said, I have not legally changed my name as I have not started transition. Ergo I have no documentation to use to make the correction.
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Postby Khalisako » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:06 pm

Noraika wrote:
Khalisako wrote:I managed to scrape together the money for legal name change. Cost me around $400 in tot and I was able to accomplish it locally tho.

It can be done, tho seems to vary by region. I had to save up that money tho, which could only be done when I didn't have anything else to pay out for.

have hope, yes.

America is a hopeless place, in my opinion. I have hope that things will be better when I've left this country...but until then...

I want to immigrate too.
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Postby Geoagorist Territory » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:43 pm

Just did a quick search for transgender forums and found Susan's Place. It seems active. Is it good?

Does anyone have any other recommendations for online communities? Any place that's not dead and has a reasonable amount of active discussion. It doesn't have to be specifically a transgender one, as long it's reasonably inclusive. Obviously there's here, but I'd like to join more places.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:17 pm

Geoagorist Territory wrote:Just did a quick search for transgender forums and found Susan's Place. It seems active. Is it good?

Does anyone have any other recommendations for online communities? Any place that's not dead and has a reasonable amount of active discussion. It doesn't have to be specifically a transgender one, as long it's reasonably inclusive. Obviously there's here, but I'd like to join more places.

Susan's Place? It's full of older trans woman. Reddit's Asktransgender is a reasonable place.
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Postby Philjia » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:17 am

HB2 made less horrible: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north ... SKBN17108Z

There's still a lot of reprehensible shit there, but it's not as egregious as it was.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:00 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
It's unclear whether my university will accept a deed poll or if I need to show my GRC when I have it before they will re-issue.



Ooo, I can actually be useful: I had to change my name just after I started university (for a much more minor reason: some numpty typed it in wrong). They said that they were perfectly happy to accept a deed poll, but I ended up just giving them my passport instead. For some weird reason, they didn't accept provisional drivers licenses, but did accept full drivers licenses.



Noraika wrote:I know that here in the States that's expensive as all hell...over $500 just to file, and then there's the matter that if there's any issue you have to go to court, which in my case would mean an extra $200 to fly back to my home state, and then that's not covering a hotel or a car rental...it's not that easy unfortunately. :(


That, at least, is a lot easier in the UK: under UK law, the way to legally change your name is just to go by the new name, and it's done. There's a thing called Deed Polls that are useful to persuade banks and things that you aren't trying to defraud them when the names start changing, but legally speaking, you can just do it.


In the US each state makes their own rules. Many allow name change by deed poll.
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Postby Sharania » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:43 am

sorry, cant'find LGBT-rights thread

Trump Guts Obama Order Protecting LGBT Federal Employees

I would like to see the look of the LGBT traitors' faces who voted for Trump and see how much he played them like a damn fiddle.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:55 am

Sharania wrote:sorry, cant'find LGBT-rights thread

Trump Guts Obama Order Protecting LGBT Federal Employees

I would like to see the look of the LGBT traitors' faces who voted for Trump and see how much he played them like a damn fiddle.


But he held a rainbow flag once so that means he would never ever ever hurt us.
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:10 am

I've been held back again. They said they had sent the fucking referral -_-
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:44 pm

So yeah, really, really looking forward to the day I have real hips and don't have to deal with stuff like this.
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Postby Geoagorist Territory » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:46 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Susan's Place? It's full of older trans woman. Reddit's Asktransgender is a reasonable place.


Is that a bad thing?

As for Reddit, I'm not completely comfortable with it.

I'll check out both, thanks.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:47 pm

Geoagorist Territory wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Susan's Place? It's full of older trans woman. Reddit's Asktransgender is a reasonable place.


Is that a bad thing?

As for Reddit, I'm not completely comfortable with it.

I'll check out both, thanks.


From the emails I've been getting recently Susan's is in danger of shutting down because they're not getting enough donations to meet hosting costs.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:18 pm

Philjia wrote:HB2 made less horrible: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north ... SKBN17108Z

There's still a lot of reprehensible shit there, but it's not as egregious as it was.


According to the ACLU, it is the same law, only with a different name. They've gone as far as to call it HB2.0.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:20 pm

Sharania wrote:sorry, cant'find LGBT-rights thread

Trump Guts Obama Order Protecting LGBT Federal Employees

I would like to see the look of the LGBT traitors' faces who voted for Trump and see how much he played them like a damn fiddle.


They'd probably say its fake news.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:19 pm

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... der-brain/

This article isn't new or anything, but I stumbled upon it and found it quite interesting.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:17 am

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Postby Novus America » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:30 am

Sharania wrote:sorry, cant'find LGBT-rights thread

Trump Guts Obama Order Protecting LGBT Federal Employees

I would like to see the look of the LGBT traitors' faces who voted for Trump and see how much he played them like a damn fiddle.


Umm this is false. This has nothing to do with federal employees. It removes a guilty until proven innocent burden from federal CONTRACTORS. Contractors are NOT federal employees.

It also does not change the law, or make it legal for them to discriminate. It just stops slamming smaller contractors with a massive paperwork burden even when they have done nothing wrong.

Look I did not vote for Trump, and disagree with him on many things.
But please do not misrepresent things. Such misrepresentation is fake news.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:12 am

I have trouble ever understanding how anyone thinks gender must be binary when even biological sex is non-binary. Therefore, "there are only 2 genders" and "gender and sex are the same thing" are contradictory statements.
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I basically came out on FB, had a very positive experience.
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Postby Minoa » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:44 am

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39462530

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