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Trans Men Are Not Women
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24%
Anti-Cistamines
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10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
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3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
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8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
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16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby Hediacrana » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:02 am

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Proctopeo wrote:I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term


Both are preferable to Gender and Sexual Minorities (GSM) which I've seen used and I'm quite quite convinced someone invented solely so they could pronounce it like "Jism".

Oooh, thanks, DI, I may just start using that one now :P
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:02 am

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Proctopeo wrote:I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term


Both are preferable to Gender and Sexual Minorities (GSM) which I've seen used and I'm quite quite convinced someone invented solely so they could pronounce it like "Jism".

Which is still better than MOGAI. I'd rather say "jism" than "mo' gay".
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 am

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Proctopeo wrote:I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term


Both are preferable to Gender and Sexual Minorities (GSM) which I've seen used and I'm quite quite convinced someone invented solely so they could pronounce it like "Jism".


Yup that's my new term.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:29 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term


Both are preferable to Gender and Sexual Minorities (GSM) which I've seen used and I'm quite quite convinced someone invented solely so they could pronounce it like "Jism".


Wasn't that the one created by one of those groups trying to push the idea that pedophilia is included into the mainstream?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:46 am

Vassenor wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Both are preferable to Gender and Sexual Minorities (GSM) which I've seen used and I'm quite quite convinced someone invented solely so they could pronounce it like "Jism".


Wasn't that the one created by one of those groups trying to push the idea that pedophilia is included into the mainstream?


I heard it from health-sector academics back in the day, both as part of equal access agendas for primary health care and in psychology/counselling academia. Don't know if a fringe group somewhere is using it, all I can say is that if they are they didn't invent it and aren't the only ones using it.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:03 pm

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Thuzbekistan wrote:Did the letters change again? Is it LGBT or glbt?

I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term

Why do you prefer GLBT?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:35 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term

Why do you prefer GLBT?


Guys, hear me out...

BLTG.

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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:45 pm

I just normally use LGBTQ, LGBTQ+, or LGBTQIA, usually the first one, especially in writing, and I have wrote research papers about the community as a history student.

Personally, the B,T, and Q apply to me, for bisexual, transgender, and queer. I'm not a lesbian, gay, questioning, intersex, asexual, or aromantic.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:45 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why do you prefer GLBT?


Guys, hear me out...

BLTG.

Thanks. I hate it.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:47 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Guys, hear me out...

BLTG.

Thanks. I hate it.

The LGBT order, and all of its extended variants included, is not going away anytime soon. It seems to be resilient and the alternatives like MOGAI or GSM or SAGA have not really caught on. I think I see GSM most often, and only MOGAI on tumblr and sometimes twitter. But LGBTQ+ is not going away, it is sticking around.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:51 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why do you prefer GLBT?


Guys, hear me out...

BLTG.

TBLG looks right
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:14 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Thanks. I hate it.

The LGBT order, and all of its extended variants included, is not going away anytime soon. It seems to be resilient and the alternatives like MOGAI or GSM or SAGA have not really caught on. I think I see GSM most often, and only MOGAI on tumblr and sometimes twitter. But LGBTQ+ is not going away, it is sticking around.


You make it sound like a secret society of Knights
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:15 pm

Out of sheer boredom, I googled "Am I trans quiz" and these are what I found from Gotoquiz. Here are two versions of the similar quiz: Are you a trans woman? and are you a trans man?

The trans woman quiz result: 56%, it told me I was a feminine nonbinary person, I knew that.
The trans man quiz result 33%: it told me I was a cis woman lol.

I get that a trans man quiz is geared for afab people while a trans woman quiz is geared for amab people, but these were fun to do for me, as someone who has already realized they are trans and nonbinary.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:16 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:The LGBT order, and all of its extended variants included, is not going away anytime soon. It seems to be resilient and the alternatives like MOGAI or GSM or SAGA have not really caught on. I think I see GSM most often, and only MOGAI on tumblr and sometimes twitter. But LGBTQ+ is not going away, it is sticking around.


You make it sound like a secret society of Knights

I'm talking about the terminology here, but I like it when conservatives make us sound way more badass than we are, though in fairness, LGBTQ people are awesome. 8)
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:21 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You make it sound like a secret society of Knights

I'm talking about the terminology here, but I like it when conservatives make us sound way more badass than we are, though in fairness, LGBTQ people are awesome. 8)


“The LGBT order,...is not going away any time soon.” Lol I read this like “LGBT Order”
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:24 pm

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Auzkhia wrote:I'm talking about the terminology here, but I like it when conservatives make us sound way more badass than we are, though in fairness, LGBTQ people are awesome. 8)


“The LGBT order,...is not going away any time soon.” Lol I read this like “LGBT Order”

Ah, well. It's the phrasing, but the letter order of L,G,B, and T, plus additional letters such as Q,I, and A, or sometimes the plus symbol after the T.

But, I like my unintended phrasing now you mentioned it.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:26 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
“The LGBT order,...is not going away any time soon.” Lol I read this like “LGBT Order”

Ah, well. It's the phrasing, but the letter order of L,G,B, and T, plus additional letters such as Q,I, and A, or sometimes the plus symbol after the T.

But, I like my unintended phrasing now you mentioned it.


Why not the QGLT+IB? :P
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:34 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:I prefer GLBT but I think LGBT is still the standard term

Why do you prefer GLBT?

Various reasons. From it being first, it meaning literally the exact same thing, and (this will be controversial for sure) it's less feminist and more egalitarian.

Oh, and while "GL" is slightly harder to pronounce than "LG", "GL" looks significantly more visually appealing in text. The aesthetic is of course a rather minor reason.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:22 pm

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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why do you prefer GLBT?

Various reasons. From it being first, it meaning literally the exact same thing, and (this will be controversial for sure) it's less feminist and more egalitarian.

Oh, and while "GL" is slightly harder to pronounce than "LG", "GL" looks significantly more visually appealing in text. The aesthetic is of course a rather minor reason.

How is it less feminist and more egalitarian?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:54 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Various reasons. From it being first, it meaning literally the exact same thing, and (this will be controversial for sure) it's less feminist and more egalitarian.

Oh, and while "GL" is slightly harder to pronounce than "LG", "GL" looks significantly more visually appealing in text. The aesthetic is of course a rather minor reason.

How is it less feminist and more egalitarian?

Altering things solely to prioritise men over women is egalitarian, haven't you heard?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:55 pm

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Both are preferable to Gender and Sexual Minorities (GSM) which I've seen used and I'm quite quite convinced someone invented solely so they could pronounce it like "Jism".


Wasn't that the one created by one of those groups trying to push the idea that pedophilia is included into the mainstream?

I have heard that, but I'm not sure if it was actually created by them. Also, /dʒiː ɛs əm/ sounds significantly different from /dʒɪzm̩/, so I think that's a silly criticism.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:57 pm

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Vassenor wrote:
Wasn't that the one created by one of those groups trying to push the idea that pedophilia is included into the mainstream?

I have heard that, but I'm not sure if it was actually created by them. Also, /dʒiː ɛs əm/ sounds significantly different from /dʒɪzm̩/, so I think that's a silly criticism.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I have heard that, but I'm not sure if it was actually created by them. Also, /dʒiː ɛs əm/ sounds significantly different from /dʒɪzm̩/, so I think that's a silly criticism.

Why is everyone online a linguistics nerd?

Because linguistics is fantastic!
Also, you're on NationStates, and linguistic knowledge is an important factor of worldbuilding (at least if you want to be semi-realistic).
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:00 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why is everyone online a linguistics nerd?

Because linguistics is fantastic!
Also, you're on NationStates, and linguistic knowledge is an important factor of worldbuilding (at least if you want to be semi-realistic).

Both valid points. I wish I was a linguistic nerd because I would like to learn Arabic.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Because linguistics is fantastic!
Also, you're on NationStates, and linguistic knowledge is an important factor of worldbuilding (at least if you want to be semi-realistic).

Both valid points. I wish I was a linguistic nerd because I would like to learn Arabic.


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