Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Thuzbekistan]

Well that last post was a ride down gender lane. I cannot imagine the mental stress that must accompany such doubts about your own identity.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Maybe so. It definitely makes me want to try female pronouns, but I'm still hesitant.

It takes a lot of time, really. Don't worry about rushing it, better late than never. You can help yourself and then figure it out and be comfortable with yourself.

For me it was trying on different labels and pronouns, while thinking the following: "I know I am not a man, probably nonbinary, but I am not so sure exactly, woman, no, not a woman, I think I am still not a cis man, but what If I'm just a feminine man or demiboy? Agender? Maybe, uh, not really, Perhaps, Androgynous? Yeah, androgyne works, but also more on the feminine side, so transfeminine works, and also demigirl, If I can put one label, perhaps I am also genderfluid and bigender? Yeah that makes sense!"

And so and so on.

It works for me because it helped me get a grip and worked with my mind and figure out any euphoria and dysphoria alike, and how I would like to transition.

Indeed, it probably does take a lot of time. But I've figured out that I'm probably not non-binary or demi-anything. I think I'm either a cis-man or a trans-woman.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Well that last post was a ride down gender lane. I cannot imagine the mental stress that must accompany such doubts about your own identity.

Which post?

[Thuzbekistan]

Well that last post was a ride down gender lane. I cannot imagine the mental stress that must accompany such doubts about your own identity.

Which post?

Maybe so. It definitely makes me want to try female pronouns, but I'm still hesitant.

It takes a lot of time, really. Don't worry about rushing it, better late than never. You can help yourself and then figure it out and be comfortable with yourself.

For me it was trying on different labels and pronouns, while thinking the following: "I know I am not a man, probably nonbinary, but I am not so sure exactly, woman, no, not a woman, I think I am still not a cis man, but what If I'm just a feminine man or demiboy? Agender? Maybe, uh, not really, Perhaps, Androgynous? Yeah, androgyne works, but also more on the feminine side, so transfeminine works, and also demigirl, If I can put one label, perhaps I am also genderfluid and bigender? Yeah that makes sense!"

And so and so on.

It works for me because it helped me get a grip and worked with my mind and figure out any euphoria and dysphoria alike, and how I would like to transition.

[Auzkhia]

Which post?

It takes a lot of time, really. Don't worry about rushing it, better late than never. You can help yourself and then figure it out and be comfortable with yourself.

For me it was trying on different labels and pronouns, while thinking the following: "I know I am not a man, probably nonbinary, but I am not so sure exactly, woman, no, not a woman, I think I am still not a cis man, but what If I'm just a feminine man or demiboy? Agender? Maybe, uh, not really, Perhaps, Androgynous? Yeah, androgyne works, but also more on the feminine side, so transfeminine works, and also demigirl, If I can put one label, perhaps I am also genderfluid and bigender? Yeah that makes sense!"

And so and so on.

It works for me because it helped me get a grip and worked with my mind and figure out any euphoria and dysphoria alike, and how I would like to transition.

Oh that?

It was me trying to remember and condense months, even years, of questioning and self discovery about my internal feel on gender.

[Thuzbekistan]

Oh that?

It was me trying to remember and condense months, even years, of questioning and self discovery about my internal feel on gender.

Still, I cant imagine feeling anything but a cis guy.

[Grenartia]

I mean, asking us to call you "she/her" on here is an entirely reasonable and effective step, yes.

Maybe. Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she."

Well, for those who are worth interacting with, they shouldn't mind. And the rest should be mindful that aggressive misgendering is actionable by moderation.

And I don't know if I'd feel honest with myself having people call me something that I don't know if I am.

Don't worry about it. The people who matter won't mind, and the people who mind don't matter.

And how would I get the message across? Would I just stroll into the LWDT and say, "sup, lads let's see how it would be if y'all called me a "she" from now on?" Or would I put "she/her" in my sig? But hey, it could be interesting to step out of my comfort zone and try it.

Signature is most effort-efficient.

...I don’t really like being called sir myself

I'm a cis man and I hate "sir" too, but for me it's not so much a gender thing as an aversion to formality. I might be wrong but I think millennials aren't fans of sir/ma'am.

Honestly, every time I get called "sir" at work by a customer, I just tell them "Don't call me sir, I work for a living."

An antifa supersoldier trans catgirl character from Contrapoints, all played by Ms Wynn herself.

Oh.
I actually have a modicum of taste in my Youtube content so I wouldn't know. Is it ironic?

>have a modicum of taste in YT content
>don't watch Contra

Pick one.

Plaît-il ?

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/enby#Noun
https://www.google.com/search?q=enby

I've never been a big fan of the word "enby". Sounds infantilizing.

One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.

Ey, I'm still not sure whether I even am trans tho.

And that's fine and valid.

I think I'll just watch in chronological order then. There aren't too many videos.

I like most of her videos, though the only one that left me a bit off-put was her video on incels, because of the comparison she made at the last segment. It was such an odd hot take. I could see where she comes from on stuff I personally disagree with her on. But overall think she has good stuff.

I had bigger problems with The Aesthetic than with Incels, tbh. And I felt that comparison was spot on, as a former incel myself.

What

I'm a Social Democrat. I support a highly-regulated version of Capitalism combined with a strong welfare state.

As a Classical Social Democrat, I only support reforming the current system to that, but actual socialism is my true end goal.

So, I've been thinking about my identity, and shit. And... I haven't been able to determine whether I'm suffering from gender dysphoria. There are some parts about me that aren't very... feminine, but I definitely haven't been able to rule out the possibility of dysphoria. I took this rather simplistic gender dysphoria test, and it said that I was extremely dysphoric, but it wasn't a great test, structurally, and I'm still very unsure. All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns. So, I guess I could see how far this pronoun thing goes? No lock in contract, right? So, if you want, y'all can use female pronouns on me. If you'd rather not, he/him'll do fine. I guess I'll see how this goes.

Can you link the test?

And I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The most insidious part about dysphoria is its very hard to describe. It makes it hard to relate our experiences to cis people, and makes it hard for eggs to hatch.

Instead of ruling out dysphoria, though, I'd recommend ruling out everything else.

For what its worth though, "All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns." isn't a very cis thing to say.

So, I've been thinking about my identity, and shit. And... I haven't been able to determine whether I'm suffering from gender dysphoria. There are some parts about me that aren't very... feminine, but I definitely haven't been able to rule out the possibility of dysphoria. I took this rather simplistic gender dysphoria test, and it said that I was extremely dysphoric, but it wasn't a great test, structurally, and I'm still very unsure. All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns. So, I guess I could see how far this pronoun thing goes? No lock in contract, right? So, if you want, y'all can use female pronouns on me. If you'd rather not, he/him'll do fine. I guess I'll see how this goes.

You don't have to have dysphoria to be trans.

This is definitely a thing that needs to be constantly repeated.

Simply identifying as a different gender than the sex you were assigned at birth and identifying as trans is all it takes. Lots of us beat ourselves up over questioning if we meet all the "requirements" of being trans. Don't worry about that. Remember that there is no harm in experimenting with and exploring your gender identity, and that if something feels good, then its a good thing.

I will say that most people who do end up questioning rather deeply whether or not they are trans, generally do turn out to be trans. But there are no deadlines other than your own. You get to take things at your own pace. I'm happy that being referred to with she/her pronouns has felt affirming for you so far

Precisely.

You don't have to have dysphoria to be trans. Simply identifying as a different gender than the sex you were assigned at birth and identifying as trans is all it takes. Lots of us beat ourselves up over questioning if we meet all the "requirements" of being trans. Don't worry about that. Remember that there is no harm in experimenting with and exploring your gender identity, and that if something feels good, then its a good thing.

I will say that most people who do end up questioning rather deeply whether or not they are trans, generally do turn out to be trans. But there are no deadlines other than your own. You get to take things at your own pace. I'm happy that being referred to with she/her pronouns has felt affirming for you so far

If I might ask the begged question here, Currently Transgenderism has moral force in its arguments, in that the common understanding is that those who are Transgender suffer from a legitimate medical condition, GD, and the medically prescribed treatment by the dominant portion of the medical community is transition assistance. If we incorporate your new paradigm, the condition changes because now it involves decision making on the part of the individual, where as before the issue was forced. What moral obligation do, say I, or anyone else have to be accepting of transgenderism if it's a chosen identity?

You seem to think the relation between gender identity (labeled A) and dysphoria (labeled B) is like this:

In reality, its more like this:

You're like one of those people who think that when somebody criticizes toxic masculinity, they're condemning masculinity as a whole, instead of a specific subset of it.

You don't have to have dysphoria to be trans. Simply identifying as a different gender than the sex you were assigned at birth and identifying as trans is all it takes. Lots of us beat ourselves up over questioning if we meet all the "requirements" of being trans. Don't worry about that. Remember that there is no harm in experimenting with and exploring your gender identity, and that if something feels good, then its a good thing.

I will say that most people who do end up questioning rather deeply whether or not they are trans, generally do turn out to be trans. But there are no deadlines other than your own. You get to take things at your own pace. I'm happy that being referred to with she/her pronouns has felt affirming for you so far

I know you don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans, but I don't think that being trans is the best move forward for me unless I do have it. Still, I understand that beating myself up over whether I'm dysphoric isn't really helpful. That said, are you sure anything that feels good is a good thing. Thanks for helping me through this.

The thing to focus on is less gender dysphoria, and more gender euphoria (which it sounds like you experienced when First American Empire called you she).

And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns.

Feeling nice when someone uses female pronouns even when they're criticizing you is definitely a sign that you're trans.

I'd hesitate at saying definitely, but it certainly is a big fucking clue.

Feeling nice when someone uses female pronouns even when they're criticizing you is definitely a sign that you're trans.

Maybe so. It definitely makes me want to try female pronouns, but I'm still hesitant.

Hesitation is a normal experience. Most trans people I know experienced a significant amount of Imposter Syndrome (myself included) when we first started questioning.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Well, for those who are worth interacting with, they shouldn't mind. And the rest should be mindful that aggressive misgendering is actionable by moderation.

It's true that you kinda have to be a dick to... be a dick to someone for changing up pronouns, but I don't want anyone warned or banned on my account just for calling me the things I was assigned at birth.

Don't worry about it. The people who matter won't mind, and the people who mind don't matter.

Maybe, but I've made some acquaintances in NSG that might not approve, and I don't want to lose their acquaintance. There's also the fact that a fair few of my irl friends know that my NS account exists.

Signature is most effort-efficient.

Maybe, but that would mean announcing it to every person who sees me in the forums.

And that's fine and valid.

Thank you.

Can you link the test?

And I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The most insidious part about dysphoria is its very hard to describe. It makes it hard to relate our experiences to cis people, and makes it hard for eggs to hatch.

Instead of ruling out dysphoria, though, I'd recommend ruling out everything else.

For what its worth though, "All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns." isn't a very cis thing to say.

Here it is. Like I said though, it's not very accurate, so my result of being highly dysphoric isn't very conclusive.

That definitely makes sense. It would be pretty hard to express, and what I'm feeling is pretty hard to express too.

Good idea. But I don't really know what else it could be aside from my brain telling me pessimistic, unhelpful things like "It's just schizophrenia/narcissism/perversion." I have aspergers, so it could be something to do with that, but other than that, I don't know.

I guess not.

The thing to focus on is less gender dysphoria, and more gender euphoria (which it sounds like you experienced when First American Empire called you she).

I see.

Hesitation is a normal experience. Most trans people I know experienced a significant amount of Imposter Syndrome (myself included) when we first started questioning.

Imposter syndrome as in worrying you're just a man pretending to be a woman? Because I kinda am worrying about that.

[Proctopeo]

Oh.
I actually have a modicum of taste in my Youtube content so I wouldn't know. Is it ironic?

>have a modicum of taste in YT content
>don't watch Contra

Pick one.

Contra is shit tier, worse than Little Mac is in Smash

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

>have a modicum of taste in YT content
>don't watch Contra

Pick one.

Contra is shit tier, worse than Little Mac is in Smash

Contra's okay. Except for when she has shit takes, like "How can you dislike violence in a world where people are getting catcalled?"

[Proctopeo]

Contra is shit tier, worse than Little Mac is in Smash

Contra's okay. Except for when she has shit takes, like "How can you dislike violence in a world where people are getting catcalled?"

That's literally the dumbest thing I've heard all March, though not by too much tbh

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Contra's okay. Except for when she has shit takes, like "How can you dislike violence in a world where people are getting catcalled?"

That's literally the dumbest thing I've heard all March, though not by too much tbh

If I'm honest, it wasn't exactly like that, but it wasn't much better, and it kinda contains that implicitly in it. In her video on violence, she basically says that people are outwardly averted to violence, but on the inside, violence isn't a bad idea and our aversion to violence is a relatively recent phenomenon and is merely a product of bourgeois liberalism. Link

[Proctopeo]

That's literally the dumbest thing I've heard all March, though not by too much tbh

If I'm honest, it wasn't exactly like that, but it wasn't much better, and it kinda contains that implicitly in it. In her video on violence, she basically says that people are outwardly averted to violence, but on the inside, violence isn't a bad idea and our aversion to violence is a relatively recent phenomenon and is merely a product of bourgeois liberalism. Link

damn bougies, making humans not want to kill each other over petty issues, who do they think we are? let's knock something over!

[Auzkhia]

Maybe. Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she."

Well, for those who are worth interacting with, they shouldn't mind. And the rest should be mindful that aggressive misgendering is actionable by moderation.

And I don't know if I'd feel honest with myself having people call me something that I don't know if I am.

Don't worry about it. The people who matter won't mind, and the people who mind don't matter.

And how would I get the message across? Would I just stroll into the LWDT and say, "sup, lads let's see how it would be if y'all called me a "she" from now on?" Or would I put "she/her" in my sig? But hey, it could be interesting to step out of my comfort zone and try it.

Signature is most effort-efficient.

I'm a cis man and I hate "sir" too, but for me it's not so much a gender thing as an aversion to formality. I might be wrong but I think millennials aren't fans of sir/ma'am.

Honestly, every time I get called "sir" at work by a customer, I just tell them "Don't call me sir, I work for a living."

Oh.
I actually have a modicum of taste in my Youtube content so I wouldn't know. Is it ironic?

>have a modicum of taste in YT content
>don't watch Contra

Pick one.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/enby#Noun
https://www.google.com/search?q=enby

I've never been a big fan of the word "enby". Sounds infantilizing.

Ey, I'm still not sure whether I even am trans tho.

And that's fine and valid.

I like most of her videos, though the only one that left me a bit off-put was her video on incels, because of the comparison she made at the last segment. It was such an odd hot take. I could see where she comes from on stuff I personally disagree with her on. But overall think she has good stuff.

I had bigger problems with The Aesthetic than with Incels, tbh. And I felt that comparison was spot on, as a former incel myself.

I'm a Social Democrat. I support a highly-regulated version of Capitalism combined with a strong welfare state.

As a Classical Social Democrat, I only support reforming the current system to that, but actual socialism is my true end goal.

So, I've been thinking about my identity, and shit. And... I haven't been able to determine whether I'm suffering from gender dysphoria. There are some parts about me that aren't very... feminine, but I definitely haven't been able to rule out the possibility of dysphoria. I took this rather simplistic gender dysphoria test, and it said that I was extremely dysphoric, but it wasn't a great test, structurally, and I'm still very unsure. All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns. So, I guess I could see how far this pronoun thing goes? No lock in contract, right? So, if you want, y'all can use female pronouns on me. If you'd rather not, he/him'll do fine. I guess I'll see how this goes.

Can you link the test?

And I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The most insidious part about dysphoria is its very hard to describe. It makes it hard to relate our experiences to cis people, and makes it hard for eggs to hatch.

Instead of ruling out dysphoria, though, I'd recommend ruling out everything else.

For what its worth though, "All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns." isn't a very cis thing to say.

You don't have to have dysphoria to be trans.

This is definitely a thing that needs to be constantly repeated.

Simply identifying as a different gender than the sex you were assigned at birth and identifying as trans is all it takes. Lots of us beat ourselves up over questioning if we meet all the "requirements" of being trans. Don't worry about that. Remember that there is no harm in experimenting with and exploring your gender identity, and that if something feels good, then its a good thing.

I will say that most people who do end up questioning rather deeply whether or not they are trans, generally do turn out to be trans. But there are no deadlines other than your own. You get to take things at your own pace. I'm happy that being referred to with she/her pronouns has felt affirming for you so far

Precisely.

If I might ask the begged question here, Currently Transgenderism has moral force in its arguments, in that the common understanding is that those who are Transgender suffer from a legitimate medical condition, GD, and the medically prescribed treatment by the dominant portion of the medical community is transition assistance. If we incorporate your new paradigm, the condition changes because now it involves decision making on the part of the individual, where as before the issue was forced. What moral obligation do, say I, or anyone else have to be accepting of transgenderism if it's a chosen identity?

You seem to think the relation between gender identity (labeled A) and dysphoria (labeled B) is like this:

In reality, its more like this:

You're like one of those people who think that when somebody criticizes toxic masculinity, they're condemning masculinity as a whole, instead of a specific subset of it.

I know you don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans, but I don't think that being trans is the best move forward for me unless I do have it. Still, I understand that beating myself up over whether I'm dysphoric isn't really helpful. That said, are you sure anything that feels good is a good thing. Thanks for helping me through this.

The thing to focus on is less gender dysphoria, and more gender euphoria (which it sounds like you experienced when First American Empire called you she).

Feeling nice when someone uses female pronouns even when they're criticizing you is definitely a sign that you're trans.

I'd hesitate at saying definitely, but it certainly is a big fucking clue.

Maybe so. It definitely makes me want to try female pronouns, but I'm still hesitant.

Hesitation is a normal experience. Most trans people I know experienced a significant amount of Imposter Syndrome (myself included) when we first started questioning.

I rewatched it and the comparison makes more sense than I remembered it, the aesthetic also had some small points I disagreed with, but it's minor.

Yeah, imposter syndrome, doubt, and denial are all products of society just telling you transphobic stuff that lead you to think that. I dealt with those before, because of ignorance or lies about trans people, but it's gotten better for me, and I'm growing more comfortable with myself and identity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, for those who are worth interacting with, they shouldn't mind. And the rest should be mindful that aggressive misgendering is actionable by moderation.

It's true that you kinda have to be a dick to... be a dick to someone for changing up pronouns, but I don't want anyone warned or banned on my account just for calling me the things I was assigned at birth.

Don't worry about it. The people who matter won't mind, and the people who mind don't matter.

Maybe, but I've made some acquaintances in NSG that might not approve, and I don't want to lose their acquaintance. There's also the fact that a fair few of my irl friends know that my NS account exists.

Signature is most effort-efficient.

Maybe, but that would mean announcing it to every person who sees me in the forums.

And that's fine and valid.

Thank you.

Can you link the test?

And I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The most insidious part about dysphoria is its very hard to describe. It makes it hard to relate our experiences to cis people, and makes it hard for eggs to hatch.

Instead of ruling out dysphoria, though, I'd recommend ruling out everything else.

For what its worth though, "All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns." isn't a very cis thing to say.

Here it is. Like I said though, it's not very accurate, so my result of being highly dysphoric isn't very conclusive.

That definitely makes sense. It would be pretty hard to express, and what I'm feeling is pretty hard to express too.

Good idea. But I don't really know what else it could be aside from my brain telling me pessimistic, unhelpful things like "It's just schizophrenia/narcissism/perversion." I have aspergers, so it could be something to do with that, but other than that, I don't know.

I guess not.

The thing to focus on is less gender dysphoria, and more gender euphoria (which it sounds like you experienced when First American Empire called you she).

I see.

Hesitation is a normal experience. Most trans people I know experienced a significant amount of Imposter Syndrome (myself included) when we first started questioning.

Imposter syndrome as in worrying you're just a man pretending to be a woman? Because I kinda am worrying about that.

I took the quiz, I don't think it's a very good one, talk to a shrink to get evaluated.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It's true that you kinda have to be a dick to... be a dick to someone for changing up pronouns, but I don't want anyone warned or banned on my account just for calling me the things I was assigned at birth.

Maybe, but I've made some acquaintances in NSG that might not approve, and I don't want to lose their acquaintance. There's also the fact that a fair few of my irl friends know that my NS account exists.

Maybe, but that would mean announcing it to every person who sees me in the forums.

Thank you.

Here it is. Like I said though, it's not very accurate, so my result of being highly dysphoric isn't very conclusive.

That definitely makes sense. It would be pretty hard to express, and what I'm feeling is pretty hard to express too.

Good idea. But I don't really know what else it could be aside from my brain telling me pessimistic, unhelpful things like "It's just schizophrenia/narcissism/perversion." I have aspergers, so it could be something to do with that, but other than that, I don't know.

I guess not.

I see.

Imposter syndrome as in worrying you're just a man pretending to be a woman? Because I kinda am worrying about that.

I took the quiz, I don't think it's a very good one, talk to a shrink to get evaluated.

I know. And, I should, if things continue the way they're going, but not yet.

[Auzkhia]

It's true that you kinda have to be a dick to... be a dick to someone for changing up pronouns, but I don't want anyone warned or banned on my account just for calling me the things I was assigned at birth.

Maybe, but I've made some acquaintances in NSG that might not approve, and I don't want to lose their acquaintance. There's also the fact that a fair few of my irl friends know that my NS account exists.

Maybe, but that would mean announcing it to every person who sees me in the forums.

Thank you.

Here it is. Like I said though, it's not very accurate, so my result of being highly dysphoric isn't very conclusive.

That definitely makes sense. It would be pretty hard to express, and what I'm feeling is pretty hard to express too.

Good idea. But I don't really know what else it could be aside from my brain telling me pessimistic, unhelpful things like "It's just schizophrenia/narcissism/perversion." I have aspergers, so it could be something to do with that, but other than that, I don't know.

I guess not.

I see.

Imposter syndrome as in worrying you're just a man pretending to be a woman? Because I kinda am worrying about that.

I took the quiz, I don't think it's a very good one, talk to a shrink to get evaluated.

A lot of those questions aren't really yes or no.

And it does recommend real help, so she should see a gender therapist

Mind you, if you feel a need to take a quiz like that, you might be trans.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I took the quiz, I don't think it's a very good one, talk to a shrink to get evaluated.

A lot of those questions aren't really yes or no.

And it does recommend real help, so she should see a gender therapist

Mind you, if you feel a need to take a quiz like that, you might be trans.

Yeah, but I don't think the quiz is very reliable, I think they should see a therapist, I took the test and got a strong indication of it, but I certainly don't think I'm trans, and I really only answered one question that would be indicative of it.

[Grenartia]

Well, for those who are worth interacting with, they shouldn't mind. And the rest should be mindful that aggressive misgendering is actionable by moderation.

It's true that you kinda have to be a dick to... be a dick to someone for changing up pronouns, but I don't want anyone warned or banned on my account just for calling me the things I was assigned at birth.

Understandable, but it would be their fault for doing it in the first place.

Don't worry about it. The people who matter won't mind, and the people who mind don't matter.

Maybe, but I've made some acquaintances in NSG that might not approve, and I don't want to lose their acquaintance. There's also the fact that a fair few of my irl friends know that my NS account exists.

Signature is most effort-efficient.

Maybe, but that would mean announcing it to every person who sees me in the forums.

Yeah, that's a valid reason not to do it.

And that's fine and valid.

Thank you.

Can you link the test?

And I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The most insidious part about dysphoria is its very hard to describe. It makes it hard to relate our experiences to cis people, and makes it hard for eggs to hatch.

Instead of ruling out dysphoria, though, I'd recommend ruling out everything else.

For what its worth though, "All I know is, I kinda want to be a woman more than I want to be a man. And... it felt pretty nice when First American Empire referred to me with female pronouns." isn't a very cis thing to say.

Here it is. Like I said though, it's not very accurate, so my result of being highly dysphoric isn't very conclusive.

That definitely makes sense. It would be pretty hard to express, and what I'm feeling is pretty hard to express too.

Good idea. But I don't really know what else it could be aside from my brain telling me pessimistic, unhelpful things like "It's just schizophrenia/narcissism/perversion." I have aspergers, so it could be something to do with that, but other than that, I don't know.

I guess not.

I'll take the test in a bit, and see how accurate it is.

Let me tackle those other things one at a time:
1. Schizo is a possibility, and if you feel like its a possibility, I'd recommend seeing a mental health professional about it. But there are trans people with schizo, so it is possible to have both.

2. I'm not sure how narcissism would be mimicing dysphoria, tbh.

3. 'Perversion' is a really doubtful one. Having unconventional kinks shouldn't (and doesn't) invalidate your gender identity, and doesn't tend to mimic dysphoria. I'd recommend watching Contrapoints' video on Autogynephilia for a more in-depth debunking of it, but I'd like to point out that even most ciswomen would be classified as "autogynephiles" by much of its criteria.

4. There is, IIRC, a slight correlation between being trans and being on the autism spectrum, but that shouldn't and doesn't invalidate your gender identity, either.

The thing to focus on is less gender dysphoria, and more gender euphoria (which it sounds like you experienced when First American Empire called you she).

I see.

Hesitation is a normal experience. Most trans people I know experienced a significant amount of Imposter Syndrome (myself included) when we first started questioning.

Imposter syndrome as in worrying you're just a man pretending to be a woman? Because I kinda am worrying about that.

Impostor syndrome (also known as impostor phenomenon, impostorism, fraud syndrome or the impostor experience) is a psychological pattern in which an individual doubts their accomplishments and has a persistent internalized fear of being exposed as a "fraud". [1] Despite external evidence of their competence, those experiencing this phenomenon remain convinced that they are frauds, and do not deserve all they have achieved. Individuals with impostorism incorrectly attribute their success to luck, or as a result of deceiving others into thinking they are more intelligent than they perceive themselves to be.[2] While early research focused on the prevalence among high-achieving women, impostor syndrome has been recognized to affect both men and women equally.[1][3]

The article frames it as related to personal/professional achievements, but there's honestly no better way to describe the experience myself and a lot of other trans people have had.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

A lot of those questions aren't really yes or no.

And it does recommend real help, so she should see a gender therapist

Mind you, if you feel a need to take a quiz like that, you might be trans.

Yeah, but I don't think the quiz is very reliable, I think they should see a therapist, I took the test and got a strong indication of it, but I certainly don't think I'm trans, and I really only answered one question that would be indicative of it.

Okay, I took the test again, this time making sure to say "yes" only once, and yet I still got halfway and classified as "mild to moderate dysphoria," so you're right, it's a pretty bad test.

[Grenartia]

It's true that you kinda have to be a dick to... be a dick to someone for changing up pronouns, but I don't want anyone warned or banned on my account just for calling me the things I was assigned at birth.

Maybe, but I've made some acquaintances in NSG that might not approve, and I don't want to lose their acquaintance. There's also the fact that a fair few of my irl friends know that my NS account exists.

Maybe, but that would mean announcing it to every person who sees me in the forums.

Thank you.

Here it is. Like I said though, it's not very accurate, so my result of being highly dysphoric isn't very conclusive.

That definitely makes sense. It would be pretty hard to express, and what I'm feeling is pretty hard to express too.

Good idea. But I don't really know what else it could be aside from my brain telling me pessimistic, unhelpful things like "It's just schizophrenia/narcissism/perversion." I have aspergers, so it could be something to do with that, but other than that, I don't know.

I guess not.

I see.

Imposter syndrome as in worrying you're just a man pretending to be a woman? Because I kinda am worrying about that.

I took the quiz, I don't think it's a very good one, talk to a shrink to get evaluated.

I found it to be incredibly limited and overly binaristic. Though, I did answer each question as honestly as I could despite that, and got the following result:

Your answers suggest a Strong indication that you are experiencing symptoms common among people diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

I would characterize that part as accurate.

However, this quiz is no substitute for a proper diagnosis from a health care professional and we would encourage you to schedule an appointment with your doctor or other mental health professional now.

While telling people to see a mental health professional is a good piece of advice, I dislike the bit about a "proper diagnosis". It is entirely possible and valid to self-diagnose gender dysphoria, in much the same way as its entirely possible to self-diagnose a broken arm.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yeah, but I don't think the quiz is very reliable, I think they should see a therapist, I took the test and got a strong indication of it, but I certainly don't think I'm trans, and I really only answered one question that would be indicative of it.

Okay, I took the test again, this time making sure to say "yes" only once, and yet I still got halfway and classified as "mild to moderate dysphoria," so you're right, it's a pretty bad test.

When I took it, it also gave me that result. I answered zero questions with a "yes" response. There is no way that I have mild to moderate indications towards gender dysphoria.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yeah, that's a valid reason not to do it.

Indeed, but I think I can do it. The majority of people on NS are pretty chill, and none of my irl friends have used NationStates in months, and the total forum posts between them is 4. I've tried to tell one of my closest and most progressive irl friends about it, but I'm having trouble taking the plunge and doing it, so all I've said is "I'm having trouble making an important choice."

Let me tackle those other things one at a time:
1. Schizo is a possibility, and if you feel like its a possibility, I'd recommend seeing a mental health professional about it. But there are trans people with schizo, so it is possible to have both.

2. I'm not sure how narcissism would be mimicing dysphoria, tbh.

3. 'Perversion' is a really doubtful one. Having unconventional kinks shouldn't (and doesn't) invalidate your gender identity, and doesn't tend to mimic dysphoria. I'd recommend watching Contrapoints' video on Autogynephilia for a more in-depth debunking of it, but I'd like to point out that even most ciswomen would be classified as "autogynephiles" by much of its criteria.

4. There is, IIRC, a slight correlation between being trans and being on the autism spectrum, but that shouldn't and doesn't invalidate your gender identity, either.

1. I'm pretty sure I don't have schizophrenia, I just said it because I'm paranoid.

2. Autogynophilia would be a better word for what I was attempting to describe.

3. Indeed.

4. No, it shouldn't, I was just putting it out there.

Impostor syndrome (also known as impostor phenomenon, impostorism, fraud syndrome or the impostor experience) is a psychological pattern in which an individual doubts their accomplishments and has a persistent internalized fear of being exposed as a "fraud". [1] Despite external evidence of their competence, those experiencing this phenomenon remain convinced that they are frauds, and do not deserve all they have achieved. Individuals with impostorism incorrectly attribute their success to luck, or as a result of deceiving others into thinking they are more intelligent than they perceive themselves to be.[2] While early research focused on the prevalence among high-achieving women, impostor syndrome has been recognized to affect both men and women equally.[1][3]

The article frames it as related to personal/professional achievements, but there's honestly no better way to describe the experience myself and a lot of other trans people have had.

I see.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Okay, I took the test again, this time making sure to say "yes" only once, and yet I still got halfway and classified as "mild to moderate dysphoria," so you're right, it's a pretty bad test.

When I took it, it also gave me that result. I answered zero questions with a "yes" response. There is no way that I have mild to moderate indications towards gender dysphoria.

Wow. Fuck that test.

[Grenartia]

I took the quiz, I don't think it's a very good one, talk to a shrink to get evaluated.

A lot of those questions aren't really yes or no.

And it does recommend real help, so she should see a gender therapist

Mind you, if you feel a need to take a quiz like that, you might be trans.

Essentially, this.

A lot of those questions aren't really yes or no.

And it does recommend real help, so she should see a gender therapist

Mind you, if you feel a need to take a quiz like that, you might be trans.

Yeah, but I don't think the quiz is very reliable, I think they should see a therapist, I took the test and got a strong indication of it, but I certainly don't think I'm trans, and I really only answered one question that would be indicative of it.

Yeah, half a dozen non-optimally worded yes or no questions do NOT a good test make.

Okay, I took the test again, this time making sure to say "yes" only once, and yet I still got halfway and classified as "mild to moderate dysphoria," so you're right, it's a pretty bad test.

When I took it, it also gave me that result. I answered zero questions with a "yes" response. There is no way that I have mild to moderate indications towards gender dysphoria.

Yeah, its probably not set up to give a "no dysphoria" result. They're probably banking on the "you wouldn't be taking an online test about gender dysphoria unless you have it" route.