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Trans Men Are Not Women
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24%
Anti-Cistamines
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Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
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Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
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27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
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16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:25 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she."

Imagine wishing people respect your wishes regarding your person.

Eh. It's alright, you can call me she/her if you want, even though I don't really know if I'm trans. I just don't know if I should actively tell people call me that in my sig and shit.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:26 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
this is great banter


One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.

Ey, I'm still not sure whether I even am trans tho.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:26 pm

First American Empire wrote:Alright, I'll be the first to try using female pronouns for Xenopolis. Her economic views make no sense, and she would probably cause a recession if she ever actually got them implemented, though her positions on social issues are actually pretty good.

That seems like a bit of a bold statement to make, ngl, not because of the pronouns, but just cuz you hearn "fiscally conservative" and went "nonsensical, and gonna cause a recession." But thank you for complimenting me on social issues.
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:32 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Ey, I'm still not sure whether I even am trans tho.

I have a masculine base, my mind just expresses itself as feminine some of the time.
My base is less masculine this month.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:33 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:An antifa supersoldier trans catgirl character from Contrapoints, all played by Ms Wynn herself.

Oh.
I actually have a modicum of taste in my Youtube content so I wouldn't know. Is it ironic?

It's philosophical. Like Plato's dialogues, but with better costumes.

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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:36 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Oh.
I actually have a modicum of taste in my Youtube content so I wouldn't know. Is it ironic?

It's philosophical. Like Plato's dialogues, but with better costumes.

Pretty much, she plays a variety of characters showing a wide variety of beliefs, she portrays many ideologues belong to: anarchism, authoritarian communism, social democracy, classical liberalism, TERF, the alt-right, and nazism.
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:02 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.


Then when you get older, drift away from activism, and become more conservative you get screamed at on social issues for selling out. The friend-circle of strife.


This hasn't really happened to me since I'm not actually conservative on most social issues, especially since I actually agree with An-Coms on some stuff, most notably immigration. There was one person who screamed at me for supporting the Nordic model of sex work, but she also screamed at me over somehow blaming me for Rosa Luxembourg's death* because I'm a SocDem, and she even screamed at me for playing Fire Emblem without permadeath, so I'm pretty sure she just enjoys screaming at people.

*For the record, I think that Rosa Luxembourg's death was a horrible mistake that should never have happened. Killing her was the greatest mistake in the SDP's history, and it ruined relations between Social Democrats and Communists for an entire century.
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:04 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's philosophical. Like Plato's dialogues, but with better costumes.

Pretty much, she plays a variety of characters showing a wide variety of beliefs, she portrays many ideologues belong to: anarchism, authoritarian communism, social democracy, classical liberalism, TERF, the alt-right, and nazism.


This sounds really interesting. I've heard about her but haven't watched anything by her yet. Where's a good starting point?
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:21 pm

First American Empire wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Pretty much, she plays a variety of characters showing a wide variety of beliefs, she portrays many ideologues belong to: anarchism, authoritarian communism, social democracy, classical liberalism, TERF, the alt-right, and nazism.


This sounds really interesting. I've heard about her but haven't watched anything by her yet. Where's a good starting point?

Don't where to start, tbh. But, The Left, TERFs, and any videos on the alt-right do showcase her characters if you want that.
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:33 pm

I think I'll just watch in chronological order then. There aren't too many videos.
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:47 pm

First American Empire wrote:I think I'll just watch in chronological order then. There aren't too many videos.

I like most of her videos, though the only one that left me a bit off-put was her video on incels, because of the comparison she made at the last segment. It was such an odd hot take. I could see where she comes from on stuff I personally disagree with her on. But overall think she has good stuff.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:24 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
First American Empire wrote:I think I'll just watch in chronological order then. There aren't too many videos.

I like most of her videos, though the only one that left me a bit off-put was her video on incels, because of the comparison she made at the last segment. It was such an odd hot take. I could see where she comes from on stuff I personally disagree with her on. But overall think she has good stuff.

What was the comparison? Was it low-hanging fruit, as it always is?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:40 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I like most of her videos, though the only one that left me a bit off-put was her video on incels, because of the comparison she made at the last segment. It was such an odd hot take. I could see where she comes from on stuff I personally disagree with her on. But overall think she has good stuff.

What was the comparison? Was it low-hanging fruit, as it always is?

If I recall the video correctly, what Auzkhia is talking about is when she compared incels to trans women on /TTTT/.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:What was the comparison? Was it low-hanging fruit, as it always is?

If I recall the video correctly, what Auzkhia is talking about is when she compared incels to trans women on /TTTT/.

Yeah, that's, uh, what?
Now, granted, I have met some trans women online who are basically just incels, but, again, what?
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:56 pm

First American Empire wrote: I'm a SocDem

What
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:09 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If I recall the video correctly, what Auzkhia is talking about is when she compared incels to trans women on /TTTT/.

Yeah, that's, uh, what?
Now, granted, I have met some trans women online who are basically just incels, but, again, what?

It made sense in context, iirc.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:17 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If I recall the video correctly, what Auzkhia is talking about is when she compared incels to trans women on /TTTT/.

Yeah, that's, uh, what?
Now, granted, I have met some trans women online who are basically just incels, but, again, what?

You should watch the video. It's NSFW, especially at the start, but it's not age-flagged so if you don't want it getting in your YouTube recommendations you should be able to watch in an incognito window.

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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I like most of her videos, though the only one that left me a bit off-put was her video on incels, because of the comparison she made at the last segment. It was such an odd hot take. I could see where she comes from on stuff I personally disagree with her on. But overall think she has good stuff.

What was the comparison? Was it low-hanging fruit, as it always is?

Watch the video at 22:45, it's where it starts.

She sees a similarity incel mentality among some trans people. Incel threads have selfies of normal looking men, yet incels tell each other that they look ugly and no one will ever love them. Her comparison with that is that in a trans selfie thread in /LGBT/ of 4chan that's like that. The 4chan /LGBT/ would tell a trans person they will never pass, and the conventional space will always say that a trans person perfectly passes. She said both /TTTT/ early transitioning women and incels have jargon, for example, she talks about the board's use of "hons" thinks some trans spaces were too much of a hugbox for them. She knows about them because her pictures and even sought their threads about them, because she saw allure in their deconstructive criticism, she was caught in a dichtomy of /tttt/ and reddit hons. Basically people either saying "You'll never pass", or "you look gorgeous, hon!" Obviously, it's a black-white fallacy.

Obviously trans women are not like incels, but I can see where she comes from, but it's a jarring comparison indeed. It has some shock value, I admit, there would be better ways to examine internalized transphobia.
Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:What was the comparison? Was it low-hanging fruit, as it always is?

If I recall the video correctly, what Auzkhia is talking about is when she compared incels to trans women on /TTTT/.

Exactly!
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:35 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:What was the comparison? Was it low-hanging fruit, as it always is?

Watch the video at 22:45, it's where it starts.

She sees a similarity incel mentality among some trans people. Incel threads have selfies of normal looking men, yet incels tell each other that they look ugly and no one will ever love them. Her comparison with that is that in a trans selfie thread in /LGBT/ of 4chan that's like that. The 4chan /LGBT/ would tell a trans person they will never pass, and the conventional space will always say that a trans person perfectly passes. She said both /TTTT/ early transitioning women and incels have jargon, for example, she talks about the board's use of "hons" thinks some trans spaces were too much of a hugbox for them. She knows about them because her pictures and even sought their threads about them, because she saw allure in their deconstructive criticism, she was caught in a dichtomy of /tttt/ and reddit hons. Basically people either saying "You'll never pass", or "you look gorgeous, hon!" Obviously, it's a black-white fallacy.

Obviously trans women are not like incels, but I can see where she comes from, but it's a jarring comparison indeed. It has some shock value, I admit, there would be better ways to examine internalized transphobia.
Ifreann wrote:If I recall the video correctly, what Auzkhia is talking about is when she compared incels to trans women on /TTTT/.

Exactly!

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Postby First American Empire » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:35 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:
First American Empire wrote: I'm a SocDem

What


I'm a Social Democrat. I support a highly-regulated version of Capitalism combined with a strong welfare state.
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:43 pm

First American Empire wrote: I support Capitalism

wat
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:34 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:
First American Empire wrote: I support Capitalism

wat

Did they stutter?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:11 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:
First American Empire wrote: I'm a SocDem

What


I know. Imagine supporting democracy.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Maydona » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:25 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Soviet Computocracy wrote:What


I know. Imagine supporting democracy.


Crazy, right?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:41 pm

Maydona wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I know. Imagine supporting democracy.


Crazy, right?


Not sure if you think I'm being sarcastic and/or whether you're being sarcastic.

Time for my old friend unmitigated social panic.
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