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Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:49 am

Grenartia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How could I go about this? Say "he/him" and "she/her" into a mirror? Identify as a woman anonymously online? I don't really know how I could feasibly change up my pronouns.


I mean, asking us to call you "she/her" on here is an entirely reasonable and effective step, yes.

Maybe. Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she." And I don't know if I'd feel honest with myself having people call me something that I don't know if I am. And how would I get the message across? Would I just stroll into the LWDT and say, "sup, lads let's see how it would be if y'all called me a "she" from now on?" Or would I put "she/her" in my sig? But hey, it could be interesting to step out of my comfort zone and try it.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:05 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I mean, asking us to call you "she/her" on here is an entirely reasonable and effective step, yes.

Maybe. Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she." And I don't know if I'd feel honest with myself having people call me something that I don't know if I am. And how would I get the message across? Would I just stroll into the LWDT and say, "sup, lads let's see how it would be if y'all called me a "she" from now on?" Or would I put "she/her" in my sig? But hey, it could be interesting to step out of my comfort zone and try it.

It's called transitioning for a reason; it's a gradual process that is taken in steps behind the scenes rather than in great overt leaps. It can be better to experiment with referring to yourself in your mind as the pronoun for a while before doing it amongst other people, as that will help inform you regarding which pronoun sits best with how you feel, and gives you time to think about if and when you want to take the plunge in the public pool, so to speak.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:09 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I mean, asking us to call you "she/her" on here is an entirely reasonable and effective step, yes.

Maybe. Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she." And I don't know if I'd feel honest with myself having people call me something that I don't know if I am. And how would I get the message across? Would I just stroll into the LWDT and say, "sup, lads let's see how it would be if y'all called me a "she" from now on?" Or would I put "she/her" in my sig? But hey, it could be interesting to step out of my comfort zone and try it.

You can edit your pronouns into your signature. And it's not an issue of honesty when you're just trying to discover what identity feels most right to you. You're allowed to question and experiment with gender. I personally got close friends I trusted to use different names and pronouns with me on different days to see what felt best when hearing others refer to me as. Eventually I determined from it that he/him pronouns felt wrong in almost every occasion, I was pretty ambivalent to they/them pronouns, and she/her pronouns made me feel confident about myself.
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First American Empire
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:02 am

Alright, I'll be the first to try using female pronouns for Xenopolis. Her economic views make no sense, and she would probably cause a recession if she ever actually got them implemented, though her positions on social issues are actually pretty good.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:17 am

First American Empire wrote:Alright, I'll be the first to try using female pronouns for Xenopolis. Her economic views make no sense, and she would probably cause a recession if she ever actually got them implemented. though her positions on social issues are actually pretty good.


this is great banter
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:22 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Still I don't know how it would roll over with some of the RWDT suddenly being told to call me a "she."

Imagine wishing people respect your wishes regarding your person.
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:33 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
First American Empire wrote:Alright, I'll be the first to try using female pronouns for Xenopolis. Her economic views make no sense, and she would probably cause a recession if she ever actually got them implemented. though her positions on social issues are actually pretty good.


this is great banter


One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:40 am

First American Empire wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
this is great banter


One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.


Then when you get older, drift away from activism, and become more conservative you get screamed at on social issues for selling out. The friend-circle of strife.
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:59 am

First American Empire wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
this is great banter


One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.

One of my friends told me that trans girls who are not communists scare them. They're an an-com, similar to me.

A lot of transfems I know are basically Tabby, even Natalie Wynn said that character is 95% of her audience.
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Postby Page » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:03 pm

Soviet Technocracy6 wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How could I go about this? Say "he/him" and "she/her" into a mirror? Identify as a woman anonymously online? I don't really know how I could feasibly change up my pronouns.

...I don’t really like being called sir myself


I'm a cis man and I hate "sir" too, but for me it's not so much a gender thing as an aversion to formality. I might be wrong but I think millennials aren't fans of sir/ma'am.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:11 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.

One of my friends told me that trans girls who are not communists scare them. They're an an-com, similar to me.

A lot of transfems I know are basically Tabby, even Natalie Wynn said that character is 95% of her audience.

*distressed hissing*

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:25 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:One of my friends told me that trans girls who are not communists scare them. They're an an-com, similar to me.

A lot of transfems I know are basically Tabby, even Natalie Wynn said that character is 95% of her audience.

*distressed hissing*


Where's the squirt bottle?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:16 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:*distressed hissing*


Where's the squirt bottle?

It was oppressing me so I smashed it.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:44 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
One of the first things that happens to every trans person upon coming out is getting criticized by other trans people on economic policy. No exceptions.

One of my friends told me that trans girls who are not communists scare them. They're an an-com, similar to me.

A lot of transfems I know are basically Tabby, even Natalie Wynn said that character is 95% of her audience.

First, who the hell is Tabby?
And second, unless you're joshing, that does explain some things. Not many, but some.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:58 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:One of my friends told me that trans girls who are not communists scare them. They're an an-com, similar to me.

A lot of transfems I know are basically Tabby, even Natalie Wynn said that character is 95% of her audience.

First, who the hell is Tabby?

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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:00 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:One of my friends told me that trans girls who are not communists scare them. They're an an-com, similar to me.

A lot of transfems I know are basically Tabby, even Natalie Wynn said that character is 95% of her audience.

First, who the hell is Tabby?
And second, unless you're joshing, that does explain some things. Not many, but some.

An antifa supersoldier trans catgirl character from Contrapoints, all played by Ms Wynn herself.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:09 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:First, who the hell is Tabby?
And second, unless you're joshing, that does explain some things. Not many, but some.

An antifa supersoldier trans catgirl character from Contrapoints, all played by Ms Wynn herself.

Oh.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:10 pm

Page wrote:
Soviet Technocracy6 wrote:...I don’t really like being called sir myself


I'm a cis man and I hate "sir" too, but for me it's not so much a gender thing as an aversion to formality. I might be wrong but I think millennials aren't fans of sir/ma'am.

Might have to do with it being a reminder of one's mortality.
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:12 pm

Aellex wrote:Might have to do with it being a reminder of one's mortality.

I’m an enby.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:13 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:I’m an enby.

Plaît-il ?
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:18 pm

Aellex wrote:Plaît-il ?

Translates as pleasure? My French is rusty.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:19 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:
Aellex wrote:Plaît-il ?

Translates as pleasure?

According to Wiktionary it's the French equivalent of "beg your pardon".
I was also gathering that it meant "what is".
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Postby Aellex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:20 pm

Soviet Computocracy wrote:
Aellex wrote:Plaît-il ?

Translates as pleasure?

No, as "excuse me?" or "might you elaborate since Google gives me nothing but game forums matches for that word?".
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Postby Soviet Computocracy » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:22 pm

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Postby Aellex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:23 pm

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RIP Balk, you were too good a shitposter for this site.

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