Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Communal concils]

I had not said that. I said that Transgenderism is not determined, it is a choice. If transgender individuals accept that claim, then they have admitted to calling their identity as a mental illness.

I think I can speak on behalf of the trans community and say that your claim is not only rejected, but debunked.

Psychologists have looked into this, and it looks like the science disagrees with you, they have a direct answer for you.

Science: the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.- from Merriam-Webster.com.


Science is a method of studying the world .The website that you show me has a link to another website. The one that I will show you has a claim that contradicts the website that you showed me. https://icd.who.int/browse10/2010/en#/F60-F69


Not all science experiments lead to one way, and science is on no one's side.It is free from the ideological thoughts of men and women.If it has a ideological motive, then it's pseudo-science.

Pseudo-science: a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

[Borinsa]

Is transexual a slur or not?

[Thuzbekistan]

Is transexual a slur or not?

That's like asking if blacks is a slur. It's only a slur if you say it like you hate em

[Communal concils]

Of course it is a choice, they have the ability to deny themselves transition therapy. If a person determined to change their gender(no matter the limits), then that means that they are mentally illned.
However,they wouldn't when it's their choice.A person that decides does it out of curiosity and a way of finding meaning.

Being trans isn't a choice. Whether and how a trans person transitions is a choice(or ought to be), but that's doesn't mean that they've chosen to be trans. And choosing to transition isn't a mental illness.

They decide to come to a conclusion on it. One life experience leads to another, and that experience leads to decisions.We must not forget that identity is a construct.All cultures, Religions, philosophies, ideologies and sexual and gender identities are constructs.Only the physical world truly exist. These identities are man-made, everything man-made is the choice of mankind.Every action you do, is your own.Everything that is not done by you, is some one else.

I still have not claimed that all transgendered individuals have mentally illness, I said that those that use the "born this way" argument unofficially accept themselves as having mentally illness.

[Borinsa]

Is transexual a slur or not?

That's like asking if blacks is a slur. It's only a slur if you say it like you hate em

I knew it wasn't a slur

[Ifreann]

Being trans isn't a choice. Whether and how a trans person transitions is a choice(or ought to be), but that's doesn't mean that they've chosen to be trans. And choosing to transition isn't a mental illness.

They decide to come to a conclusion on it. One life experience leads to another, and that experience leads to decisions.We must not forget that identity is a construct.All cultures, Religions, philosophies, ideologies and sexual and gender identities are constructs.Only the physical world truly exist. These identities are man-made, everything man-made is the choice of mankind.Every action you do, is your own.Everything that is not done by you, is some one else.

That's nice. Being trans isn't a choice.

I still have not claimed that all transgendered individuals have mentally illness, I said that those that use the "born this way" argument unofficially accept themselves as having mentally illness.

And that's wrong. The fact that being trans isn't a choice doesn't mean that being trans is a mental illness.

[Communal concils]

They decide to come to a conclusion on it. One life experience leads to another, and that experience leads to decisions.We must not forget that identity is a construct.All cultures, Religions, philosophies, ideologies and sexual and gender identities are constructs.Only the physical world truly exist. These identities are man-made, everything man-made is the choice of mankind.Every action you do, is your own.Everything that is not done by you, is some one else.

That's nice. Being trans isn't a choice.

I still have not claimed that all transgendered individuals have mentally illness, I said that those that use the "born this way" argument unofficially accept themselves as having mentally illness.

And that's wrong. The fact that being trans isn't a choice doesn't mean that being trans is a mental illness.

1. okay


2. To see it through a deterministic word view would lead to the conclusion of classifying it as a mental illness.

[Ifreann]

That's nice. Being trans isn't a choice.


And that's wrong. The fact that being trans isn't a choice doesn't mean that being trans is a mental illness.

1. okay


2. To see it through a deterministic word view would lead to the conclusion of classifying it as a mental illness.

No it wouldn't.

[Auzkhia]

Hey I just had a little debate in another thread that I thought was weird,
do you people really think transexual is a slur?
I thought transexual was just someone who changes their sex surgically as apposed to a transgender person who simply says they are another gender.

Most trans people regard it as either antiquated at best or offensive at worst. A bit like the German Fräulein. Some see it as woefully old fashioned, while some see it as sexist.

It's best not to say it. While we're at it, "transgendered" isn't a word to use either. A slur would be a word that was always meant to offend in any context, thus the word

"tranny"

is a slur.

[Communal concils]

1. okay


2. To see it through a deterministic word view would lead to the conclusion of classifying it as a mental illness.

No it wouldn't.

yes it would,try to back your claims.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

No it wouldn't.

yes it would,try to back your claims.

"Disorder" and "illness" might have the same connotations in many circumstances, but they do not in fact have the same meanings. "Illness" refers specifically to diseases, "disorder" to anything going on that's significantly different from the norm.

[Valrifell]

That's nice. Being trans isn't a choice.


And that's wrong. The fact that being trans isn't a choice doesn't mean that being trans is a mental illness.

1. okay


2. To see it through a deterministic word view would lead to the conclusion of classifying it as a mental illness.

Only in the sense that if you view anything through the deterministic mindset you can make anything sound like a mental illness.

[Communal concils]

1. okay


2. To see it through a deterministic word view would lead to the conclusion of classifying it as a mental illness.

Only in the sense that if you view anything through the deterministic mindset you can make anything sound like a mental illness.

Determinism doesn't really appeal to me.It assumes that one destination ,place and lifestyle is destined for individuals. So in a way, it can do that.Any behavior done by a person could be justified by a determinist saying "they were always like that". So it does have the ability to call many behaviors a mental illness.

[Communal concils]

yes it would,try to back your claims.

"Disorder" and "illness" might have the same connotations in many circumstances, but they do not in fact have the same meanings. "Illness" refers specifically to diseases, "disorder" to anything going on that's significantly different from the norm.

okay, fair enough.

[Ifreann]

No it wouldn't.

yes it would,try to back your claims.

Field of psychology already figured this out.

[Communal concils]

yes it would,try to back your claims.

Field of psychology already figured this out.

Though, studies are ideologically twisted.

[Grenartia]

Field of psychology already figured this out.

Though, studies are ideologically twisted.

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[Valrifell]

Field of psychology already figured this out.

Though, studies are ideologically twisted.

When the APA rejects your conclusion, reject the APA! Clearly the rational thing to do.

[Grenartia]

Though, studies are ideologically twisted.

When the APA rejects your conclusion, reject the APA! Clearly the rational thing to do.

Like, the antitrans crowd is literally putting themselves on the same fucking level as the flat-earthers and homeopathy/essential oils enthusiasts.

This is amazing self-pwnage on their part.

[Auzkhia]

When the APA rejects your conclusion, reject the APA! Clearly the rational thing to do.

Like, the antitrans crowd is literally putting themselves on the same fucking level as the flat-earthers and homeopathy/essential oils enthusiasts.

This is amazing self-pwnage on their part.

Google: I have 10 million pages that say vaccines don't cause autism and 1 page that says they do.
Anti-vaxxer: A-ha! I knew it!

A lot of anti-trans people are just like that, comb through the mountains of evidence and find one thing that confirms their evidence, ignoring the consensus of the researchers' conclusions.

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For future reference if this ever comes up again.

Here's what the APA says about "Is being transgender a mental disorder?"

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

TL;DR, No it's not a disorder. Only thing it references is gender dysphoria, which isn't even necessary to be trans, or to not be your AGAB and be not cis.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Anyone know if Noraika is okay? They haven't been on in a long time, and I'm a little worried about them.

[Grenartia]

Anyone know if Noraika is okay? They haven't been on in a long time, and I'm a little worried about them.

TBH, I am, too. But they don't call this place Hotel California for nothing. If she's ok, she'll be back.

[Josip-Broz]

Of course it is a choice, they have the ability to deny themselves transition therapy. If a person determined to change their gender(no matter the limits), then that means that they are mentally illned.
However,they wouldn't when it's their choice.A person that decides does it out of curiosity and a way of finding meaning.

Being trans isn't a choice. Whether and how a trans person transitions is a choice(or ought to be), but that's doesn't mean that they've chosen to be trans. And choosing to transition isn't a mental illness.

Yes. Every transperson once transitioned will eventualy start to dilate. This of course is nothing strange and it has a chilling effect on a person

[Cekoviu]

Anyone know if Noraika is okay? They haven't been on in a long time, and I'm a little worried about them.

Who's Noraika?

[Andsed]

Field of psychology already figured this out.

Though, studies are ideologically twisted.

Ah yes the classic none of the data supports me so clearly the data must be fabricated bullshit.