NATION

PASSWORD

Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

User avatar
Auzkhia
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28954
Founded: Mar 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Auzkhia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:48 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Good news! I started hormone therapy today, only bad thing was a blood test, it was a bit painful and nearly passed out at the sight of it, I have anxiety issues with blood and needles.

I assume it isn't being administered by injection?

No, and it's harder to find anyway due to a shortage. Pill forms, 1mg of estradiol and 50mg spironolactone twice a day. I said pills anyway, so it's not an issue. There was also a patch but I didn't bother with that.
Me irl. (she/her/it)
IC name: Celestial Empire of the Romans
Imperial-Royal Statement on NS Stats
Factbook Embassy App
Trans Lesbian Non-binary Lady Greco-Roman Pagan Socialist

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:56 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I assume it isn't being administered by injection?

No, and it's harder to find anyway due to a shortage. Pill forms, 1mg of estradiol and 50mg spironolactone twice a day. I said pills anyway, so it's not an issue. There was also a patch but I didn't bother with that.

Ah right. I remember that my ex got the T injections in his arse.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Auzkhia
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28954
Founded: Mar 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Auzkhia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:13 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:No, and it's harder to find anyway due to a shortage. Pill forms, 1mg of estradiol and 50mg spironolactone twice a day. I said pills anyway, so it's not an issue. There was also a patch but I didn't bother with that.

Ah right. I remember that my ex got the T injections in his arse.

Blood tests are hard, some nurses stuck it in my left arm, blacked out, they took me outside and left after that, since I needed to leave anyway. Not the best exit, but still.

T can only be injected that way, or in the leg, some trans guys I know do that.
Me irl. (she/her/it)
IC name: Celestial Empire of the Romans
Imperial-Royal Statement on NS Stats
Factbook Embassy App
Trans Lesbian Non-binary Lady Greco-Roman Pagan Socialist

User avatar
Khasinkonia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6473
Founded: Feb 02, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Khasinkonia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:16 pm

Going to school always reminds me why I so vehemently support trans kids being able to get HRT.

User avatar
Andsed
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13444
Founded: Aug 24, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Andsed » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:18 pm

Khasinkonia wrote:Going to school always reminds me why I so vehemently support trans kids being able to get HRT.

Uh excuse my ignorance but what is HRT?
I do be tired


LOVEWHOYOUARE~

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:25 pm

Andsed wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:Going to school always reminds me why I so vehemently support trans kids being able to get HRT.

Uh excuse my ignorance but what is HRT?

Hormone Replacement Therapy.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Andsed
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13444
Founded: Aug 24, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Andsed » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:27 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Andsed wrote:Uh excuse my ignorance but what is HRT?

Hormone Replacement Therapy.

Ah thanks.
I do be tired


LOVEWHOYOUARE~

User avatar
Soviet Technocracy2
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 142
Founded: Mar 09, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:19 pm

The New California Republic wrote:I assume it isn't being administered by injection?

Injection doesn’t seem to be the norm for estrodiol.

User avatar
The Serbian Empire
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58107
Founded: Apr 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:45 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I assume it isn't being administered by injection?

Injection doesn’t seem to be the norm for estrodiol.

It usually is taken in pill form as injectable forms have been in low supply since 2015.
LOVEWHOYOUARE~ WOMAN
Level 12 Myrmidon, Level ⑨ Tsundere, Level ✿ Hold My Flower
Bad Idea Purveyor
8 Values: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=56.1&d=70.2&g=86.5&s=91.9
Political Compass: Economic -10.00 Authoritarian: -9.13
TG for Facebook if you want to friend me
Marissa, Goddess of Stratospheric Reach
preferred pronouns: Female ones
Primarily lesbian, but pansexual in nature

User avatar
Serrus
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1548
Founded: Feb 06, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Serrus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:31 pm

Auzkhia wrote:Good news! I started hormone therapy today, only bad thing was a blood test, it was a bit painful and nearly passed out at the sight of it, I have anxiety issues with blood and needles.

I feel the same way, so I'm just gonna give you a hug and congratulate you on HRT/surviving with sanity intact. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:maybe japan wanted the zombie attack.

Possible. Zombies are cool now.

Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.

This is why rules exist, kids!
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
You glorifted ducking wanabe sea pheasant

Platapusses are not rel

User avatar
First American Empire
Diplomat
 
Posts: 816
Founded: Mar 12, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby First American Empire » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:05 pm

I take Estradiol via patch. I've had a better experience via this method than taking them in pill form, since patches give you a more even dose of hormones than pills. (I get my Trans healthcare from my American insurance, so I'm not sure if they offer it in Canada where I work.)
The American Empire is a socially progressive absolute monarchy run by the heirs of Emperor Norton. It started off at MT but has rapidly advanced to PMT through interdimensional travel. All NSstats are used, except for tax rate and population. Factbooks are currently under reconstruction.

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 68115
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:06 pm

So I'm laying here at 3AM feeling like garbage. Mostly because it's becoming more and more obvious that I've let my transition stall out with no idea how to get it going again. I've still utterly failed to talk it through with my parents in any way, shape or form, and now I've started working with another employment support service... thing that's put another roadblock into the process.

I just don't know what I'm doing but I definitely feel like the light at the end of my tunnel has disappeared.
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
Yagon
Minister
 
Posts: 2213
Founded: May 27, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Yagon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:43 pm

Vassenor wrote:So I'm laying here at 3AM feeling like garbage. Mostly because it's becoming more and more obvious that I've let my transition stall out with no idea how to get it going again. I've still utterly failed to talk it through with my parents in any way, shape or form, and now I've started working with another employment support service... thing that's put another roadblock into the process.

I just don't know what I'm doing but I definitely feel like the light at the end of my tunnel has disappeared.


I'm rooting for you, I have zero useful experience, but I'm rooting for you in that way where it's like the 84th minute mark and it seems hopeless and then ______________________ and then you triumph and then denouement with sequel teaser after credits.

User avatar
Auzkhia
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28954
Founded: Mar 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Auzkhia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:54 pm

First American Empire wrote:I take Estradiol via patch. I've had a better experience via this method than taking them in pill form, since patches give you a more even dose of hormones than pills. (I get my Trans healthcare from my American insurance, so I'm not sure if they offer it in Canada where I work.)

Planned Parenthood I was at said they were the least effective.
Vassenor wrote:So I'm laying here at 3AM feeling like garbage. Mostly because it's becoming more and more obvious that I've let my transition stall out with no idea how to get it going again. I've still utterly failed to talk it through with my parents in any way, shape or form, and now I've started working with another employment support service... thing that's put another roadblock into the process.

I just don't know what I'm doing but I definitely feel like the light at the end of my tunnel has disappeared.

My parents *try* to be supportive but still rear their ignorance all the time, it's frustrating, I'm a terrible teacher, yet I'm literally the only trans person they know, guess who has to play kindergarten teacher? Me. I like that they listen but it just feels like extra work to get them to accept me.
Me irl. (she/her/it)
IC name: Celestial Empire of the Romans
Imperial-Royal Statement on NS Stats
Factbook Embassy App
Trans Lesbian Non-binary Lady Greco-Roman Pagan Socialist

User avatar
Thuzbekistan
Minister
 
Posts: 2185
Founded: Dec 29, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:57 am

Auzkhia wrote:
First American Empire wrote:I take Estradiol via patch. I've had a better experience via this method than taking them in pill form, since patches give you a more even dose of hormones than pills. (I get my Trans healthcare from my American insurance, so I'm not sure if they offer it in Canada where I work.)

Planned Parenthood I was at said they were the least effective.
Vassenor wrote:So I'm laying here at 3AM feeling like garbage. Mostly because it's becoming more and more obvious that I've let my transition stall out with no idea how to get it going again. I've still utterly failed to talk it through with my parents in any way, shape or form, and now I've started working with another employment support service... thing that's put another roadblock into the process.

I just don't know what I'm doing but I definitely feel like the light at the end of my tunnel has disappeared.

My parents *try* to be supportive but still rear their ignorance all the time, it's frustrating, I'm a terrible teacher, yet I'm literally the only trans person they know, guess who has to play kindergarten teacher? Me. I like that they listen but it just feels like extra work to get them to accept me.

Acceptance comes with understanding. Its unfair, but minorities such as yourself tend to have to make people understand. Especially when only .6 percent of the pop is trans, so you have so few of you guys spread out so far. Falls on each of you to help those closest to understand.
Proud Member of The Western Isles, the Best RP region on NS.
An RP I'm Proud of: Orsandian Civil War
An INTJ, -A/-T

Economic Left/Right: -5.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203957
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:53 pm

Update on my friend: she's out of the hospital and currently at a mental health facility receiving therapy. I haven't been able to talk to her. Turns out the attempt was pretty bad and the hospital had to restart her kidneys twice. They were only letting her parents have contact with her. She was too distraught at the hospital.

I don't know, and neither does her family, how long she'll be kept at the mental health place. I think there's a big concern about another suicide attempt if she's released at this time.
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Thuzbekistan
Minister
 
Posts: 2185
Founded: Dec 29, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Update on my friend: she's out of the hospital and currently at a mental health facility receiving therapy. I haven't been able to talk to her. Turns out the attempt was pretty bad and the hospital had to restart her kidneys twice. They were only letting her parents have contact with her. She was too distraught at the hospital.

I don't know, and neither does her family, how long she'll be kept at the mental health place. I think there's a big concern about another suicide attempt if she's released at this time.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope theres no permanent damage.
Proud Member of The Western Isles, the Best RP region on NS.
An RP I'm Proud of: Orsandian Civil War
An INTJ, -A/-T

Economic Left/Right: -5.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203957
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:01 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Update on my friend: she's out of the hospital and currently at a mental health facility receiving therapy. I haven't been able to talk to her. Turns out the attempt was pretty bad and the hospital had to restart her kidneys twice. They were only letting her parents have contact with her. She was too distraught at the hospital.

I don't know, and neither does her family, how long she'll be kept at the mental health place. I think there's a big concern about another suicide attempt if she's released at this time.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope theres no permanent damage.


Thank you, Thuz. So do I.

I am calling her this weekend, see if I'm allowed to talk to her. Even if only briefly.
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Auzkhia
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28954
Founded: Mar 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Auzkhia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:57 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Planned Parenthood I was at said they were the least effective.

My parents *try* to be supportive but still rear their ignorance all the time, it's frustrating, I'm a terrible teacher, yet I'm literally the only trans person they know, guess who has to play kindergarten teacher? Me. I like that they listen but it just feels like extra work to get them to accept me.

Acceptance comes with understanding. Its unfair, but minorities such as yourself tend to have to make people understand. Especially when only .6 percent of the pop is trans, so you have so few of you guys spread out so far. Falls on each of you to help those closest to understand.

Should it be every trans person's responsibility to educate cis people? No, especially because you can look up a wealth information online.

But are they going to educate themselves on their own? No, not usually.
Me irl. (she/her/it)
IC name: Celestial Empire of the Romans
Imperial-Royal Statement on NS Stats
Factbook Embassy App
Trans Lesbian Non-binary Lady Greco-Roman Pagan Socialist

User avatar
Thuzbekistan
Minister
 
Posts: 2185
Founded: Dec 29, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Acceptance comes with understanding. Its unfair, but minorities such as yourself tend to have to make people understand. Especially when only .6 percent of the pop is trans, so you have so few of you guys spread out so far. Falls on each of you to help those closest to understand.

Should it be every trans person's responsibility to educate cis people? No, especially because you can look up a wealth information online.

But are they going to educate themselves on their own? No, not usually.

No one cares until they actually meet one or have one they know. Other than that, it's mostly irrelevant to them. So why should they look up things about lifestyles or genders or anything else that doesn't have an impact on their lives? On top of that, you are trying to get people who CAN'T see from the perspective of a trans person to understand that perspective. Most people have a tentative feeling about trans simply because they can't understand it. Cis people are generally locked in a mindset of "well, this is who I am" and questioning something as basic as whether they are a man, or woman, or something else is entirely foreign to them. So if you want them to understand, it is up to you to try and share what that is like. No amount of googling will do that for anyone.
Proud Member of The Western Isles, the Best RP region on NS.
An RP I'm Proud of: Orsandian Civil War
An INTJ, -A/-T

Economic Left/Right: -5.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

User avatar
Auzkhia
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28954
Founded: Mar 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Auzkhia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:45 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Should it be every trans person's responsibility to educate cis people? No, especially because you can look up a wealth information online.

But are they going to educate themselves on their own? No, not usually.

No one cares until they actually meet one or have one they know. Other than that, it's mostly irrelevant to them. So why should they look up things about lifestyles or genders or anything else that doesn't have an impact on their lives? On top of that, you are trying to get people who CAN'T see from the perspective of a trans person to understand that perspective. Most people have a tentative feeling about trans simply because they can't understand it. Cis people are generally locked in a mindset of "well, this is who I am" and questioning something as basic as whether they are a man, or woman, or something else is entirely foreign to them. So if you want them to understand, it is up to you to try and share what that is like. No amount of googling will do that for anyone.

Some questions can be easily answered with a quick google consultation, but I shouldn't have to educate, but if not me, who is going to learn? Maybe cis allies could tell their fellow cis, but still, it just gets tiring.
Me irl. (she/her/it)
IC name: Celestial Empire of the Romans
Imperial-Royal Statement on NS Stats
Factbook Embassy App
Trans Lesbian Non-binary Lady Greco-Roman Pagan Socialist

User avatar
Thuzbekistan
Minister
 
Posts: 2185
Founded: Dec 29, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:09 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:No one cares until they actually meet one or have one they know. Other than that, it's mostly irrelevant to them. So why should they look up things about lifestyles or genders or anything else that doesn't have an impact on their lives? On top of that, you are trying to get people who CAN'T see from the perspective of a trans person to understand that perspective. Most people have a tentative feeling about trans simply because they can't understand it. Cis people are generally locked in a mindset of "well, this is who I am" and questioning something as basic as whether they are a man, or woman, or something else is entirely foreign to them. So if you want them to understand, it is up to you to try and share what that is like. No amount of googling will do that for anyone.

Some questions can be easily answered with a quick google consultation, but I shouldn't have to educate, but if not me, who is going to learn? Maybe cis allies could tell their fellow cis, but still, it just gets tiring.

There arent allies or "fellow cis". We arent grouped by how we are born. Diabetics dont expect anyone but their close family members to know how to use a glucagon kit or how to stab them with needles. Theres no need for everyone to learn even the basics about trans people unless they need to so long as they, out of ignorance, arent biased against them. Expecting everyone around you to know about your set of difficulties or challenges is going to do nothing but frustrate you.
Last edited by Thuzbekistan on Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Proud Member of The Western Isles, the Best RP region on NS.
An RP I'm Proud of: Orsandian Civil War
An INTJ, -A/-T

Economic Left/Right: -5.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

User avatar
Western Vale Confederacy
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9211
Founded: Nov 09, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:26 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Some questions can be easily answered with a quick google consultation, but I shouldn't have to educate, but if not me, who is going to learn? Maybe cis allies could tell their fellow cis, but still, it just gets tiring.

There arent allies or "fellow cis". We arent grouped by how we are born. Diabetics dont expect anyone but their close family members to know how to use a glucagon kit or how to stab them with needles. Theres no need for everyone to learn even the basics about trans people unless they need to so long as they, out of ignorance, are biased against them. Expecting everyone around you to know about your set of difficulties or challenges is going to do nothing but frustrate you.


This.

The world doesn’t have to adapt to you, it’s you that has to adapt to it and take the time to explain.

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 163948
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:32 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Some questions can be easily answered with a quick google consultation, but I shouldn't have to educate, but if not me, who is going to learn? Maybe cis allies could tell their fellow cis, but still, it just gets tiring.

There arent allies or "fellow cis". We arent grouped by how we are born. Diabetics dont expect anyone but their close family members to know how to use a glucagon kit or how to stab them with needles.

A poor example for the point you're trying to make. Most people understand the challenges faced by diabetics, even if only vaguely. Whereas many people don't even accept that being trans is a real thing.

Theres no need for everyone to learn even the basics about trans people unless they need to so long as they, out of ignorance, are biased against them.

In the same sense that it isn't necessary for people to know how to add. We're all a lot better off with people having that knowledge.
Expecting everyone around you to know about your set of difficulties or challenges is going to do nothing but frustrate you.

The problem of widespread ignorance will never be solved if no one recognises it as a problem.
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
Thuzbekistan
Minister
 
Posts: 2185
Founded: Dec 29, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:There arent allies or "fellow cis". We arent grouped by how we are born. Diabetics dont expect anyone but their close family members to know how to use a glucagon kit or how to stab them with needles.

A poor example for the point you're trying to make. Most people understand the challenges faced by diabetics, even if only vaguely. Whereas many people don't even accept that being trans is a real thing.

Theres no need for everyone to learn even the basics about trans people unless they need to so long as they, out of ignorance, are biased against them.

In the same sense that it isn't necessary for people to know how to add. We're all a lot better off with people having that knowledge.
Expecting everyone around you to know about your set of difficulties or challenges is going to do nothing but frustrate you.

The problem of widespread ignorance will never be solved if no one recognises it as a problem.

1. That only changes as trans people make themselves understood. Social change takes a bit, especially in the states.
2. Except everyone needs to add at some point. You can go your whole life without meeting a transgender person.
3. Theres widespread ignorance about many serious illnesses and disabilities. But again, only people close to them generally know what it is or how it affects them. Should we be trying to educate everyone on these matters as well? People really dont try to learn about things irrelevant to their lives unless they have an interest.
Proud Member of The Western Isles, the Best RP region on NS.
An RP I'm Proud of: Orsandian Civil War
An INTJ, -A/-T

Economic Left/Right: -5.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Atrito, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Bovad, Google [Bot], Herador, Hrstrovokia, Kubra, Mikri Marioneta, Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing, Republics of the Solar Union, Shrillland, Statesburg, The Archregimancy, Washington Resistance Army

Advertisement

Remove ads