Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Jakker]

I don’t have to acknowledge your stunts because they are stupid and weird, and so are some of you.

You were just warned earlier in the day for trolling (viewtopic.php?p=35417514#p35417514) yet you continue to name call and make personal attacks. Take a *** 24-hour forum ban for Trolling ***. Please note that the ban applies to you the player and not just this nation. Hopefully you can use the time to work through the understanding that you can express your opinions without the attacks.

[Soviet Technocracy2]

I beleive, that gender in English is the same as sex because.

That's great. You'll respect people with differently gendered brains.

The two genders were named after the two sexes male and female

That's great.

All most all the other “genders” I’ve been introduced to are either just a combination of female and male attributes or a lack of gender at all, and somehow people have made tons of genders that seemingly mean the same thing like neutrois, agender, and androgynous. And these genders are not literal mixes of the two sexes but instead just mixtures of stereotypes applied to members of the two sexes, which is stupid.

Ok.

The other reason is because they just want to make them self part of a new trendy minority so they can claim oppression against normal people and see themselves as the good guy.

Nonbinaries aren't new.

Some people are born as hermaphrodites but this is not a third sex,it’s a deformity.

It may involve deformity. They often hang with the transgender crowd. Some are transgender.

The two sexes are based on healthy normal functioning mammals with no genetic diseases or deformities.

Ok.

If you aren’t capable of choosing one than you probably have some sort of personality disorder like histrionic or even narcissistic disorder.

"Probably", i.e. you don't know anything.

But overall, I think non-binary people are mostly just transtrenders who want an anti privilege card because it makes them feel morally superior to those who aren’t.

I am morally superior to you anyway.

If was otherkin and believed I was actually a wolf, would you want to be forced to play along?

I don't care.

Imagine if you had to pretend the earth was flat every time a flat earther was around, that’s how non-binary people can be.

We pretend the earth is flat when we speak with you.

[Soviet Technocracy2]

Most schizophrenic people know they have halicinations are need someone to tell the what’s real.

I will do that for you.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 112351.htm

[Khasinkonia]

Personally, I think if anyone is winning, it’s the side of progress. Certainly, we see places where reactionary ideals hold fast, but if you look around, the world at large generally gets a little more accepting each year. For us, I feel like exposure is enough. If we keep cool heads and show the world our reason, each new generation will be more open, as I believe we can see.

The world and its views as shifting as usual, the whole dualistic "The right/left is evil! We must defeat the right/left in order to truly be free!" concept just does not appeal to me.

I agree. I don’t like the sectionalism, but ultimately I’m thinking here on a spectrum of support versus opposition, at least when it comes to trans people. I say spectrum because inevitably there are plenty of people who really don’t care because trans people don’t affect them. I think if the average person was made aware that trans rights doesn’t really directly affect them, a lot of arguments against trans people would lose their bite. I don’t like to point fingers and call someone my enemy, but people who consider it their civic duty to morally oppose my existence are bound to draw a bit of ire...

[Hanafuridake]

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

For someone who's repeatedly gone on about how upset and easily triggered the posters in this thread are, the only one who has been so salty is you because you're mad that people won't agree with you, ironically the same thing you're accusing transgender people of.

Some people are born as hermaphrodites but this is not a third sex, it’s a deformity.

True hermaphroditism is a subset of intersex, which is a complex spectrum. Possessing both ovarian and testicular tissue isn't a “deformity,” people have gone their entire lives without realizing they were intersex, and such language only serves to demean a group of people who have enough social problems as it is without being insulted because they don't fit your narrow definition of what biological sex is.

And if you really truly unirinicalky use neopronouns...you DESERVE to be oppressed.

Charming.

[Auzkhia]

I think there's much point in directly responding. But, as an autistic person, let's not use that an excuse to be bigoted, it feels like victim blaming.

Anyway, a change of topic: I'm looking forward to my starting appointment for hormone replacement therapy at planned parenthood, after a year and half of growing out my hair and some peer pressure, I'm trying for a haircut that isn't masculine, I'm more nervous about that since I don't want bad hair.

The world and its views as shifting as usual, the whole dualistic "The right/left is evil! We must defeat the right/left in order to truly be free!" concept just does not appeal to me.

I agree. I don’t like the sectionalism, but ultimately I’m thinking here on a spectrum of support versus opposition, at least when it comes to trans people. I say spectrum because inevitably there are plenty of people who really don’t care because trans people don’t affect them. I think if the average person was made aware that trans rights doesn’t really directly affect them, a lot of arguments against trans people would lose their bite. I don’t like to point fingers and call someone my enemy, but people who consider it their civic duty to morally oppose my existence are bound to draw a bit of ire...

I agree. I don't want enemies, and if society were accepting of trans people at large, we could free a lot more, especially once people rejected the domination mindset that creates inequalities and unjust hierarchies. It's like this one thing I read that said, if all black women were free, then all oppression would be gone, all black women can include trans people as well, and LGB/queer people, and poor people, and so much more. People are complex and thus socialization whether good or bad effects people on many differing levels.

[DiscussionPuppet]

So I have been trying to work on getting my voice to sound authentic. I think I'm doing pretty good so far on the pitch, but do you have any suggestions at all for speech patterns?

[Auzkhia]

So I have been trying to work on getting my voice to sound authentic. I think I'm doing pretty good so far on the pitch, but do you have any suggestions at all for speech patterns?

I don't know much personally, just videos I see sometimes, I don't want a really deep voice, I've been trying a bit, going for the androgynous range mind you, somewhere between tenor and alto.

This is a good video I see recommended a lot. It's a bit long but thorough.

[Khasinkonia]

So I have been trying to work on getting my voice to sound authentic. I think I'm doing pretty good so far on the pitch, but do you have any suggestions at all for speech patterns?

I don't know much personally, just videos I see sometimes, I don't want a really deep voice, I've been trying a bit, going for the androgynous range mind you, somewhere between tenor and alto.

This is a good video I see recommended a lot. It's a bit long but thorough.

MtF voice training is such a hassle, I swear. It’d be right nice not to sound like Marge Simpson’s sisters...

[Grenartia]

He still has the right to say that.

When you can't defend what someone is saying, only appeal to their right to say it, you've lost the argument.

If the only defense you can think of is "Well, its literally not illegal to say it!" then maybe you should fucking reconsider your support for it.

They shouldn't be given airtime, anymore than racists are.

You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.

How is it not? On the one hand, you have a harmful and negative attitude centered around dislike for another person's immutable characteristic (their gender identity), and on the other, you have a harmful and negative attitude centered around dislike for another person's immutable characteristic (their race).

We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.

Define "snowflakery". Also, respond to my other post.

Why should I, as a trans person, hear more transphobia? Stuff that has proved harmful to developing minds of trans youth?

Because we don’t pretend to believe the delusions of schizophrenic people,
So why should we entertain your delusions.

What is and is not a delusion isn't up for you to decide. The field of psychology as a whole recognizes that we are not deluded, and has loads of peer-reviewed evidence to support that assertion. So stop being anti-science.

I mean I consider being an asshole to someone because they identity as a different gender is pretty fucked up and not just us being snowflakes.

I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.

You know what sounds so stupid to me? That someone can pretend to care so much about science, except when it contradicts their pet ideology.

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

Freedom of speech is far more important than freedom of identity

You honestly think that's an amazing argument that will surely "own the libs", don't you?

Newsflash: it ain't. Its actually quite fucking stupid. There's no point in freedom of speech without freedom of identity, which motivates it. You're not nearly the 'amazing debater' you seem to think you are.

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

You said, clearly upset about not being able to actually refute our counterarguments to your terrible arguments. Hell, nothing you said in that long, rambling, incoherent response approached anything even remotely resembling a response to my previous post, and in fact, you repeated several arguments that I specifically refuted.

Anyway, a change of topic: I'm looking forward to my starting appointment for hormone replacement therapy at planned parenthood, after a year and half of growing out my hair and some peer pressure, I'm trying for a haircut that isn't masculine, I'm more nervous about that since I don't want bad hair.

Consult your cosmetological specialist.

[Auzkhia]

I don't know much personally, just videos I see sometimes, I don't want a really deep voice, I've been trying a bit, going for the androgynous range mind you, somewhere between tenor and alto.

This is a good video I see recommended a lot. It's a bit long but thorough.

MtF voice training is such a hassle, I swear. It’d be right nice not to sound like Marge Simpson’s sisters...

Yeah, I don't like how I sound like in recordings, it's like I sound a drunk dad trying to do a bad Darth Vader impression, but in my mind, I sound a bit higher, by male standards it'd be high, or low by female standards.

When you can't defend what someone is saying, only appeal to their right to say it, you've lost the argument.

If the only defense you can think of is "Well, its literally not illegal to say it!" then maybe you should fucking reconsider your support for it.

You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.

How is it not? On the one hand, you have a harmful and negative attitude centered around dislike for another person's immutable characteristic (their gender identity), and on the other, you have a harmful and negative attitude centered around dislike for another person's immutable characteristic (their race).

We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.

Define "snowflakery". Also, respond to my other post.

Because we don’t pretend to believe the delusions of schizophrenic people,
So why should we entertain your delusions.

What is and is not a delusion isn't up for you to decide. The field of psychology as a whole recognizes that we are not deluded, and has loads of peer-reviewed evidence to support that assertion. So stop being anti-science.

I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.

You know what sounds so stupid to me? That someone can pretend to care so much about science, except when it contradicts their pet ideology.

Freedom of speech is far more important than freedom of identity

You honestly think that's an amazing argument that will surely "own the libs", don't you?

Newsflash: it ain't. Its actually quite fucking stupid. There's no point in freedom of speech without freedom of identity, which motivates it. You're not nearly the 'amazing debater' you seem to think you are.

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

You said, clearly upset about not being able to actually refute our counterarguments to your terrible arguments. Hell, nothing you said in that long, rambling, incoherent response approached anything even remotely resembling a response to my previous post, and in fact, you repeated several arguments that I specifically refuted.

Anyway, a change of topic: I'm looking forward to my starting appointment for hormone replacement therapy at planned parenthood, after a year and half of growing out my hair and some peer pressure, I'm trying for a haircut that isn't masculine, I'm more nervous about that since I don't want bad hair.

Consult your cosmetological specialist.

I made a salon appointment, it's supposedly trans friendly, I could come out to a family friend that does it cheap and explain, but I rather do a clean slate, meet someone new for it.

[Khasinkonia]

MtF voice training is such a hassle, I swear. It’d be right nice not to sound like Marge Simpson’s sisters...

Yeah, I don't like how I sound like in recordings, it's like I sound a drunk dad trying to do a bad Darth Vader impression, but in my mind, I sound a bit higher, by male standards it'd be high, or low by female standards.

I’m working on expanding my options from kamikaze pilot, Patty Bouvier, and Malachite, personally!

[The Blaatschapen]

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

It's a discussion thread. If you are not interested in discussion, then why should I be upset about it?

This is not your blog

[The New California Republic]

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

It's a discussion thread. If you are not interested in discussion, then why should I be upset about it?

This is not your blog

It's a classic case of someone coming into this thread to vent some transphobic nonsense, and throwing a hissy fit when the people here don't willingly accept the dogshit that the person is dishing out.

[Cekoviu]

The main key to achieving a feminine voice is pushing the resonance into your throat instead of your chest. A lot of people focus on pitch, but the former is a lot more important (and a lot of younger cis women have lower voices anyway). You also want to use intonation more.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

It's a discussion thread. If you are not interested in discussion, then why should I be upset about it?

This is not your blog

It's one of those fascinating attempts to take fleeing because you've lost and rewrite it to having destroyed everyone's argument with FaCtS aNd LoGiC, never needing to come back because the rest of the thread will inevitably just be people crying at just how smart Mr MicDrop was.

[The New California Republic]

[Auzkhia]

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TFW you act transphobic and get called out for being transphobic

[Grenartia]

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TFW you act transphobic and get called out for being transphobic

Talk shit, get hit.

Metaphorically, of course.

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

Transgender is a disease called Gender Dysphoria. Transgender suicide rates are 36% higher than normal suicide rates, and that doesn't change even in communities which are open to people inflicted by it. It is a mental disorder just like being born a hermaphrodite is a physical deformity.

[WENDIP SHIPPER]

Nice ableism pal, way to include people with mental health conditions in your response!

That's a loaded question, and it goes back to points already said, either that trans debates means that I have to convince you that I exist as I say I do, or that you should follow some basic etiquette.

Most schizophrenic people know they have halicinations are need someone to tell the what’s real.
I am not ableist, I have Asperger’s syndrome. I hate it when you guys use intersectionality. Especially when you pull in religious groups like Muslims who want to kill you because your trans.

Except that being trans isn't a delusion, and not all Muslims are transphobic.

Iran for example has one of the highest rates of sex change operations. They are second only to Thailand. Of course transphobia still exists in Iran and Thailand however since many transgender individuals are advised to keep quiet about the operation afterwards. Many transgender people in Iran have a harder time getting a job than cisgender people. But the same can be said of the United States.

It's a discussion thread. If you are not interested in discussion, then why should I be upset about it?

This is not your blog

It's a classic case of someone coming into this thread to vent some transphobic nonsense, and throwing a hissy fit when the people here don't willingly accept the dogshit that the person is dishing out.

I agree

[Valrifell]

Transgender is a disease called Gender Dysphoria. Transgender suicide rates are 36% higher than normal suicide rates, and that doesn't change even in communities which are open to people inflicted by it. It is a mental disorder just like being born a hermaphrodite is a physical deformity.

The suicide rate is significantly higher for trans folk because they often deal with intense social pressure due to a part of themselves they could never really help. Quite frankly, it's people with mindsets not dissimilar to yours that are perpetuating the atmosphere that leads to trans people not feeling safe and secure emotionally or physically.

[Grenartia]

Transgender is a disease called Gender Dysphoria.

Newsflash: you can be trans without having gender dysphoria.

Transgender suicide rates are 36% higher than normal suicide rates,

Yes, when society constantly shits on you and you have no help to turn to, things like that happen.

and that doesn't change even in communities which are open to people inflicted by it.

Why should I believe you when you say that?

It is a mental disorder

The field of psychology says you're totally wrong.

just like being born a hermaphrodite is a physical deformity.

I'm pretty sure the field of medicine also disagrees with you.

Be honest. Did you see my last post and decide to test it out?

[WENDIP SHIPPER]

Transgender is a disease called Gender Dysphoria. Transgender suicide rates are 36% higher than normal suicide rates, and that doesn't change even in communities which are open to people inflicted by it. It is a mental disorder just like being born a hermaphrodite is a physical deformity.

Even in more liberal communities transgender people can still face stigma or challenges.

[Auzkhia]

Transgender is a disease called Gender Dysphoria. Transgender suicide rates are 36% higher than normal suicide rates, and that doesn't change even in communities which are open to people inflicted by it. It is a mental disorder just like being born a hermaphrodite is a physical deformity.

This is concern baiting, victim blaming, and gaslighting at its finest, what a lovely toxic cocktail.

Transphobes *make life harder for trans people and damage their mental health*
Also transphobes: "Why do trans people feel so sad and suicidal?"

Also, humans aren't hermaphrodites, you're thinking of intersex, which is a whole another thing, not the same as being trans, but a marginalized identity that suffers a lot under the sex-gender system.