Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Gremand]

Is there any evidence that this hurts people reproducing? Besides, can we not simply woo those who we wish? How is that any different than normal wooing?

Besides, gender and sex didn't exist before humans defined them. Same as nationalism.

Mammals have had two sexes for millions of years

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

[Farburg]

Mammals have had two sexes for millions of years

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

Using the “social construct” argument nothing is real.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Mammals have had two sexes for millions of years

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

Just because language is a social construct doesn't mean there are no objective ways to measure things.

[Farburg]

I’m going to bed you sad strange little people.
You are almost are frustrating as religious people.

[Farburg]

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

Just because language is a social construct doesn't mean there are no objective ways to measure things.

Exactly

[Gremand]

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

Using the “social construct” argument nothing is real.

Oh definitely, tho technically nothing would be defined, not real. Thus, we go to the useful ideas, the things which society determines are useful, and develop a society.

[Khasinkonia]

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

Using the “social construct” argument nothing is real.

Philosophy is the Rubicon of thinking, lemme tell you. It’s a possible conclusion, and one of the oldest philosophical arguments about truth, coming from the Ancient Greeks, but this isn’t a broad philosophy thread, and I’ve only had a semester of philosophy so I fear I’ll run out of names and different philosophies to toss around pretty quickly. But anyways, the idea that our perception frames our viewpoints isn’t really that revolutionary of an idea.

[Gremand]

I’m going to bed you sad strange little people.
You are almost are frustrating as religious people.

Goodnight, although i am very happy instead of sad. And yea, i'm strange, one could almost say i'm queer.

[Khasinkonia]

I’m going to bed you sad strange little people.
You are almost are frustrating as religious people.

Well I must say it does get a little old having these same debates with your sort when I’d much prefer if people here got to discussing the intricacies of healthcare but so goes it. If you find discussions here frustrating then I do urge you to find centres for debate which you find more pleasant, in the interest of your entertainment being enjoyable.

[Auzkhia]

The traditional sex-gender system is a clunky, outdate, oppressive system. You cannot always and accurately extrapolate one's gender and sexual orientation from one's sex, which here means a composite of physiological traits related to mammalian sexual reproduction, it's a construct that only directly contributes to sexism and transphobia, but it rode the coattails of racism and colonialism. Not all human societies constructed gender the same way.

What's your angle for upholding it? Do you not want to change your worldview? Being wrong is part of learning, and thus bettering yourself.

Even gender essentialism is a woke rebrand of it, some people try to look for something inward, when really gender is much more murky and complicated, and that's ok, gender only exists in a society. Do we live in a society? Yes. Only society can define it and redefine it, and who is society, you are, I am society, you are society, we are all society.

Just because it only works for 99.9% of the species doesn’t mean it’s oppressive.

Most people are male or female, and a few either went through surgery to look like the other, or they are deformed.

Radical feminism holds that sex-gender system is the root of all women's oppression, even trans women, men, and non-binary people, and even cis women as well.

So what? It doesn't matter if trans people are 1%, 10%, or a small fraction. Helping people get better lives by transitioning and breaking down sources of oppression will free not only that group but a lot of people. Life is not a zero sum game, helping other people, no matter small or big, matters, as a lot forms of social oppression intersect and overlap with each other.

They say that equality feels like oppression when you are used to privilege. That needn't be true, trans rights are about uplifting a silenced and invisible group, not about dragging cis people into misery.

Though I suspect you might not want to listen, but if you do, I hope I can be of assistance in expanding your to accepting different people and perspectives.

By the categories we defined, yes, but those definitions did not exist before humans defined them.

Using the “social construct” argument nothing is real.

One thing anti-trans arguments are is that they are radically skeptical. Skepticism is healthy in moderation, but it's like eating coleslaw for every meal.

Transphobia at its root is a metaphysical argument against people.

And your phrase is expressing that and epistemology, you can doubt all you want, but you have to believe your teeth are real when you take the first bite in a sandwich or even that you exist at all. How else could you doubt and question yourself if you are not real.

I’m going to bed you sad strange little people.
You are almost are frustrating as religious people.

Are we #transcult now?

[Gremand]

Using the “social construct” argument nothing is real.

One thing anti-trans arguments are is that they are radically skeptical. Skepticism is healthy in moderation, but it's like eating coleslaw for every meal.

Transphobia at its root is a metaphysical argument against people.

And your phrase is expressing that and epistemology, you can doubt all you want, but you have to believe your teeth are real when you take the first bite in a sandwich or even that you exist at all. How else could you doubt and question yourself if you are not real.

I'd argue that nothing is real, but that those things which are helpful are functionally real. Teeth are a social construct (sometimes including hair, dependent on how stringent you want to get) but that doesn't mean that you don't work under the assumption teeth exist, because the social construct that categorizes teeth is useful. Thus, a broken system is fixed, not because it's intrinsically wrong, but because it's harmful. Tho again, this is mostly from my opinion and personal experience- if you feel differently it would be interesting to see your view.

[Gremand]

also i'd say yes, we are become a trans cult now. PRAISE BE TO THE GREAT GOD-CHEMICALS ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!

[Farnhamia]

Language evolves. New technologies, new concepts, new ideas, and language changes to reflect the times. Welcome to the 21st century.

I’m not letting identity politics and people wanting to be special and different in order to have purpose in their pathetic lives be what dictates the evolution of MY native language!

*** Warned for trolling. ***

you can make your points without resorting to calling people "pathetic."

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

I frankly don’t know why we even bother with the three different first person pronouns. He(men), she(women and ships), it(non-human life and inanimate objects). I think animate versus inanimate or just one would suffice, from a pragmatic linguistic perspective.

I’ll admit, removing all gender from the language sounds better than pumping it full with all of the new fake ones.

There's literally no reason to keep genders in language system anymore. Join us the masterrace, who has erased genders from our language since like a century ago, and use "that female" instead of "she" if we want to refer to a female.

[Neutraligon]

I can't answer because of the very specific type of non-binary I am...namely that a am agender. I have no idea what it would feel like to be a man/woman.

I thought you mentioned being biologically male in another thread? Wouldn't that affect the way that you feel either in terms of being comfortable with that state of affairs or having dysphoria? Maybe I misread what you said.

Nope. I have been assumed to be both male and female online. Neither affected me. I have had dreams where I m male female...or changing and had no issue whatsoever. I would be comfortable in any body so long as it worked.

[Khasinkonia]

I’ll admit, removing all gender from the language sounds better than pumping it full with all of the new fake ones.

There's literally no reason to keep genders in language system anymore. Join us the masterrace, who has erased genders from our language since like a century ago, and use "that female" instead of "she" if we want to refer to a female.

I think a neat little suffix could work. Like Ei/Em and then the suffix -(l)u for specifically male and -(l)a for specifically female. I dunno; just a random fusion of agglutination and romance languages that I spat out. Personally I’d rather we devote our pronoun points to having an inclusive we and an exclusive we, bringing back thou/thee, and maybe a dual form.

[Neutraligon]

There's literally no reason to keep genders in language system anymore. Join us the masterrace, who has erased genders from our language since like a century ago, and use "that female" instead of "she" if we want to refer to a female.

I think a neat little suffix could work. Like Ei/Em and then the suffix -(l)u for specifically male and -(l)a for specifically female. I dunno; just a random fusion of agglutination and romance languages that I spat out. Personally I’d rather we devote our pronoun points to having an inclusive we and an exclusive we, bringing back thou/thee, and maybe a dual form.

I would rather simply have a singular they for humans (and animals) and it for non-living things.

[Kowani]

There's literally no reason to keep genders in language system anymore. Join us the masterrace, who has erased genders from our language since like a century ago, and use "that female" instead of "she" if we want to refer to a female.

I think a neat little suffix could work. Like Ei/Em and then the suffix -(l)u for specifically male and -(l)a for specifically female. I dunno; just a random fusion of agglutination and romance languages that I spat out. Personally I’d rather we devote our pronoun points to having an inclusive we and an exclusive we, bringing back thou/thee, and maybe a dual form.

This right here is linguistic heresy...

[Khasinkonia]

I think a neat little suffix could work. Like Ei/Em and then the suffix -(l)u for specifically male and -(l)a for specifically female. I dunno; just a random fusion of agglutination and romance languages that I spat out. Personally I’d rather we devote our pronoun points to having an inclusive we and an exclusive we, bringing back thou/thee, and maybe a dual form.

I would rather simply have a singular they for humans (and animals) and it for non-living things.

I just like the distinction between singular and plural. I think it’s helpful. Inclusive and exclusive would also be nice for first person plural but people won’t sign off on it.

[Auzkhia]

One thing anti-trans arguments are is that they are radically skeptical. Skepticism is healthy in moderation, but it's like eating coleslaw for every meal.

Transphobia at its root is a metaphysical argument against people.

And your phrase is expressing that and epistemology, you can doubt all you want, but you have to believe your teeth are real when you take the first bite in a sandwich or even that you exist at all. How else could you doubt and question yourself if you are not real.

I'd argue that nothing is real, but that those things which are helpful are functionally real. Teeth are a social construct (sometimes including hair, dependent on how stringent you want to get) but that doesn't mean that you don't work under the assumption teeth exist, because the social construct that categorizes teeth is useful. Thus, a broken system is fixed, not because it's intrinsically wrong, but because it's harmful. Tho again, this is mostly from my opinion and personal experience- if you feel differently it would be interesting to see your view.

What even is reality, how do you know what is real? Empirical evidence and feeling are usually a good start. Like I said, radical doubt and too much skepticism just leaves things stuck metaphysically. I have reason to believe but there is a probable chance that I am in dream reality and dreams are my true reality. Even if life were a game, it'd be much more fun to recognize people and treat them in their comfort and respecting their perceptions of self.

Simply put, gender is fake but my gender is important to me.

also i'd say yes, we are become a trans cult now. PRAISE BE TO THE GREAT GOD-CHEMICALS ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!

Communion, but you block your testosterone and raise your estrogen, or inject testosterone.

[Khasinkonia]

I'd argue that nothing is real, but that those things which are helpful are functionally real. Teeth are a social construct (sometimes including hair, dependent on how stringent you want to get) but that doesn't mean that you don't work under the assumption teeth exist, because the social construct that categorizes teeth is useful. Thus, a broken system is fixed, not because it's intrinsically wrong, but because it's harmful. Tho again, this is mostly from my opinion and personal experience- if you feel differently it would be interesting to see your view.

What even is reality, how do you know what is real? Empirical evidence and feeling are usually a good start. Like I said, radical doubt and too much skepticism just leaves things stuck metaphysically. I have reason to believe but there is a probable chance that I am in dream reality and dreams are my true reality. Even if life were a game, it'd be much more fun to recognize people and treat them in their comfort and respecting their perceptions of self.

Simply put, gender is fake but my gender is important to me.

also i'd say yes, we are become a trans cult now. PRAISE BE TO THE GREAT GOD-CHEMICALS ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!

Communion, but you block your testosterone and raise your estrogen, or inject testosterone.

You take your hormone wafers and then wash them down with pickle juice or protein shake depending on your denomination, of course.

[Gremand]

I'd argue that nothing is real, but that those things which are helpful are functionally real. Teeth are a social construct (sometimes including hair, dependent on how stringent you want to get) but that doesn't mean that you don't work under the assumption teeth exist, because the social construct that categorizes teeth is useful. Thus, a broken system is fixed, not because it's intrinsically wrong, but because it's harmful. Tho again, this is mostly from my opinion and personal experience- if you feel differently it would be interesting to see your view.

What even is reality, how do you know what is real? Empirical evidence and feeling are usually a good start. Like I said, radical doubt and too much skepticism just leaves things stuck metaphysically. I have reason to believe but there is a probable chance that I am in dream reality and dreams are my true reality. Even if life were a game, it'd be much more fun to recognize people and treat them in their comfort and respecting their perceptions of self.

Simply put, gender is fake but my gender is important to me.

I understand that feeling greatly, and i think that works about the same as what i'm trying to say, if it does take another path to get there. Anyways, have a good day designing hormone cults, im heading to bed as well.

[Auzkhia]

What even is reality, how do you know what is real? Empirical evidence and feeling are usually a good start. Like I said, radical doubt and too much skepticism just leaves things stuck metaphysically. I have reason to believe but there is a probable chance that I am in dream reality and dreams are my true reality. Even if life were a game, it'd be much more fun to recognize people and treat them in their comfort and respecting their perceptions of self.

Simply put, gender is fake but my gender is important to me.

Communion, but you block your testosterone and raise your estrogen, or inject testosterone.

You take your hormone wafers and then wash them down with pickle juice or protein shake depending on your denomination, of course.

I'm getting confirmed into the feminine church of the trans cult, and will get to talk about our lord and savior, spironolactone and estriadol.

[Khasinkonia]

You take your hormone wafers and then wash them down with pickle juice or protein shake depending on your denomination, of course.

I'm getting confirmed into the feminine church of the trans cult, and will get to talk about our lord and savior, spironolactone and estriadol.

Hun, we believe in the HRTrinity
Estriadol, Progesterone, and Holy Spiro.

[Thuzbekistan]

I think a neat little suffix could work. Like Ei/Em and then the suffix -(l)u for specifically male and -(l)a for specifically female. I dunno; just a random fusion of agglutination and romance languages that I spat out. Personally I’d rather we devote our pronoun points to having an inclusive we and an exclusive we, bringing back thou/thee, and maybe a dual form.

I would rather simply have a singular they for humans (and animals) and it for non-living things.

Isnt that generally what we use anyways? It occurs to me that theres very few instances where his or her could not be replaced by they.