Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Liriena]

https://savejames.com/wp-content/upload ... rgulas.pdf

Specifically, James is a gender expasive or transgender child and, by choice, now goes
by the name Luna and is only known by her classmates as a girl.

ln response to Luna's choices, the Father has engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior,
including physical force, toward the Mother. His actions are clearly intended to threaten and
intimidate the Mother. Further, the Father has engaged in emotionally abusive behavior toward the
child (as example only, haircutting and other non-affiming actions).

Welp, it looks to me like your original source is lying, Anarcho capitalist utopia. The child wasn't being "forced" to be trans, and it was the father who was acting abusively.

[Liriena]

To be fair, the article does link to a website that appears to have actual court documents. But it looks to me like lifesitenews might be misleading in its assessment of what went on with this child.

So I'm guessing it's "Mum sues dad for not respecting daughter's identity"?

With a "physical abuse" cherry on top.

[Vassenor]

So I'm guessing it's "Mum sues dad for not respecting daughter's identity"?

With a "physical abuse" cherry on top.

Lovely. </s>

[Liriena]

With a "physical abuse" cherry on top.

Lovely. </s>

So how many hits and misses are we at?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

My stance on transgender children has slowly moved from "skeptical" to just a mere "neutral" opinion.

It’s definitely an issue that has multiple layers of nuance.

[Liriena]

My stance on transgender children has slowly moved from "skeptical" to just a mere "neutral" opinion.

It’s definitely an issue that has multiple layers of nuance.

There are definitely nuances to the issue. The good news is that professionals are aware of them and have gone out of their way to address them.

Seriously, some of the guides available to parents of trans children I've seen are both very thorough and legible. A lot of the fears when it comes to trans children really boil down to ill-informed expectations and misconceptions about transgender care and child psychology.

[Puldania]

It's truly baffling how it was almost more acceptable to be gender ambiguous 40 years ago than it is now.

[The New California Republic]

It's truly baffling how it waa almost more acceptable to be gender ambiguous 40 years ago than it is now.

It tends to happen like this. Once something gains prominence then the reactionary elements start to bang more drums.

[Liriena]

It's truly baffling how it waa almost more acceptable to be gender ambiguous 40 years ago than it is now.

It tends to happen like this. Once something gains prominence then the reactionary elements start to bang more drums.

I'll never get over how children's cartoons had a bunch of ambiguously gay drag queens long before Stonewall.

Fucking Bugs Bunny, man.

[Puldania]

It tends to happen like this. Once something gains prominence then the reactionary elements start to bang more drums.

I'll never get over how children's cartoons had a bunch of ambiguously gay drag queens long before Stonewall.

Fucking Bugs Bunny, man.

THERE WAS A WHOLE ERA IN THE 70s where queer/gendernonconforming celebrities dominated music

[DiscussionPuppet]

In my case I think the third party would be better. Unfortunately, I know my friends would definitely not like this, which is why I am really trying to keep this from them. The whole reason this puppet nation exists is so they can't tell that it's me. They're just not very understanding in these matters at all. They're good otherwise, just not in this way. I guess I do have some not super-close friends that might be a little more accepting, but I haven't known them as long. Plus, they know my regular ones, so I'd be paranoid that they had said something to them.

Wow, writing this all out, I think I need some more friends that I can actually trust with this.

I'm liking this temporary email thing. I'd just need the email of the school counselor, but that's easy to find. Now I just need the courage to do it.

Any suggestions on what to do if you wake up and feel extremely dysphoric throughout the day?

I'm not sure how well you can follow it, given your circumstances, but even subtle changes in gender expression help me a lot. I'd presonally recommend growing your hair out if you can.

Outside of that, chilling out in an affirming space as myself, even online, helps me a lot.

Thanks for the suggestion. I already have fairly long hair, fortunately. I'd just need to be able to avoid haircuts that are too short.

Just for the record and the sake of the argument, nobody forced me to be trans. I wasn't abused at all, nothing really bad happened. I have really nice parents. Nobody "indoctrinated" me to be like this. I also didn't choose it. I just am. And I've got no desire to force anyone to be like this either, because it's been extremely rough.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I'll never get over how children's cartoons had a bunch of ambiguously gay drag queens long before Stonewall.

Fucking Bugs Bunny, man.

THERE WAS A WHOLE ERA IN THE 70s where queer/gendernonconforming celebrities dominated music

Basically this.

The 70s and 80s had some of the most androgynous music artists this world had ever seen.

I'm not sure how well you can follow it, given your circumstances, but even subtle changes in gender expression help me a lot. I'd presonally recommend growing your hair out if you can.

Outside of that, chilling out in an affirming space as myself, even online, helps me a lot.

Thanks for the suggestion. I already have fairly long hair, fortunately. I'd just need to be able to avoid haircuts that are too short.

Just for the record and the sake of the argument, nobody forced me to be trans. I wasn't abused at all, nothing really bad happened. I have really nice parents. Nobody "indoctrinated" me to be like this. I also didn't choose it. I just am. And I've got no desire to force anyone to be like this either, because it's been extremely rough.

I still strongly maintain that I see parallels that are also found in autism!

[Hediacrana]

Now that we're talking about 1970s androgynous/genderexpansive musicians anyhow, it seems very appropriate to share this (especially as it also happens to be black history month).

Jackie Shane, pioneering Afro-American transgender soul singer, died this week, at the age of 78. Her work had only just been nominated for a Grammy.

Here is her best-known song.

I also liked this interview with her. A quote:

"I have never felt that I had to change or do anything that wasn't natural to me. I will never, ever be some kind of wishy-washy creature that pretends or lets others guide me. I guide my life. It is mine. No matter what anyone says, I'm going to be Jackie. That's all I can be. That's all I know. It's what I feel from my heart and my soul. I was a phony person. If I was not doing what makes me live the way I do, makes me think, makes me feel, makes me be the person I am, then there's no point in me being at all. I've got to be who I am. Most people are planted in someone else's soil, which means they're a carbon copy. I say to them, uproot yourself. Get into your own soil. You may be surprised who you really are."

[Auzkhia]

It's truly baffling how it was almost more acceptable to be gender ambiguous 40 years ago than it is now.

The 1980s, in some ways, was the backlash period, due to the moral majority and Satanic Panics.

Disco especially was an intersection of gay and black culture. A lot of music scenes had many queer and/or black artists. A lot of well known performers were gay or bisexual.

And the artist who pioneered synth music? Wendy Carlos, a trans woman, and she was one of the first people to discuss gender reassignment surgery.

[Grenartia]

I'm not sure how well you can follow it, given your circumstances, but even subtle changes in gender expression help me a lot. I'd presonally recommend growing your hair out if you can.

Outside of that, chilling out in an affirming space as myself, even online, helps me a lot.

Thanks for the suggestion. I already have fairly long hair, fortunately. I'd just need to be able to avoid haircuts that are too short.

If you have any clothes that are less masculine than what you normally wear (I realize you probably don't have outright feminine clothes), that can help, too. Also, if you want an affirming friend, there's plenty of people here, myself included.

Just for the record and the sake of the argument, nobody forced me to be trans. I wasn't abused at all, nothing really bad happened. I have really nice parents. Nobody "indoctrinated" me to be like this. I also didn't choose it. I just am. And I've got no desire to force anyone to be like this either, because it's been extremely rough.

That's the most insidious part about that whole narrative, is that it tries to gaslight us.

[Proctopeo]

My stance on transgender children has slowly moved from "skeptical" to just a mere "neutral" opinion.

It’s definitely an issue that has multiple layers of nuance.

I'm still skeptical, though it depends on how we define "children" tbh.

[Dumb Ideologies]

My stance on transgender children has slowly moved from "skeptical" to just a mere "neutral" opinion.

It’s definitely an issue that has multiple layers of nuance.

I'm still skeptical, though it depends on how we define "children" tbh.

The libertarian's response to every issue

[Aellex]

It tends to happen like this. Once something gains prominence then the reactionary elements start to bang more drums.

I'll never get over how children's cartoons had a bunch of ambiguously gay drag queens long before Stonewall.

Fucking Bugs Bunny, man.

I mean, dunno about the Anglos but transvestism has been a staple of Latin humor since... Well fuck, since ever given Romans were already using it as a comical tool in dramas before they even made themselves an empire.

[Liriena]

I'm still skeptical, though it depends on how we define "children" tbh.

The libertarian's response to every issue

Umm, excuse me, but technically it's ephebophilia!

[Aellex]

I'm still skeptical, though it depends on how we define "children" tbh.

The libertarian's response to every issue

Cue ephebophilia rant.

[Proctopeo]

I'm still skeptical, though it depends on how we define "children" tbh.

The libertarian's response to every issue

You know what
I ain't even mad, that's a good'n.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The libertarian's response to every issue

Umm, excuse me, but technically it's ephebophilia!

Ironically enough, we have tiered laws concerning the sexual relations of 12-18-year olds here in Canada.

[Liriena]

Umm, excuse me, but technically it's ephebophilia!

Ironically enough, we have tiered laws concerning the sexual relations of 12-18-year olds here in Canada.

Yeah, that's the case in a lot of countries.

[Auzkhia]

If I had the information about gender I have now about 10 years ago, when I was around 11 years old, or even 10 years old, at the cusp of puberty, I could have realized I was non-binary then, and later realize I was also bisexual if we talked about attraction as well. Some people knew they were gay, for example, since they were a kid.

Would I have wanted puberty blockers? Maybe, I'm sure I'd have an informed choice guided by some supportive professionals. I knew I wanted breasts as soon I heard about it, and liked both things pertaining to boys and girls.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Ironically enough, we have tiered laws concerning the sexual relations of 12-18-year olds here in Canada.

Yeah, that's the case in a lot of countries.

The most basic summarization of said laws is that teenager sexual relations are permitted, but only among their own age group.

It’s been a while, but I think 16 was the threshold where the restrictions were fully lifted.