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by Dumb Ideologies » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:09 am
by Vassenor » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:20 am
The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Claiming that biological sex is an invalid classification because there exist a few exceptions is incredibly arbitrary.
It's not perfect, and it's not set in stone, but campaigning against its use is political, not scientific.
by The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:01 am
Vassenor wrote:So is arguing that people should be defined solely by what is between their legs.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:05 am
Vassenor wrote:The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Claiming that biological sex is an invalid classification because there exist a few exceptions is incredibly arbitrary.
It's not perfect, and it's not set in stone, but campaigning against its use is political, not scientific.
So is arguing that people should be defined solely by what is between their legs.
by Anglomir » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:44 am
Vassenor wrote:The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Claiming that biological sex is an invalid classification because there exist a few exceptions is incredibly arbitrary.
It's not perfect, and it's not set in stone, but campaigning against its use is political, not scientific.
So is arguing that people should be defined solely by what is between their legs.
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by Ifreann » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:14 am
Anglomir wrote:Ifreann wrote:The definitions you propose allow people to change their biological sex. You've rooted the definitions in anatomy, which is far from immutable. Quite a few cis women don't have a uterus. Hysterectomies are a thing. According to you, that surgery would change a person from being biologically female to biologically intersex.
The genital regions - lets say whether a penis can be inserted into a vagina classifies the biological sex, regardless of fertility. Yes people can biologically change their gender with surgery. People can change their psychological gender with communication to their fellow humans. But for the most part, sex is biological, gender is psychological, and for the vast majority of people, the two match. Some 'males' may have 'feminine' traits, but they'll still identify as male, and vice versa for females.
by Hanafuridake » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:19 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So is arguing that people should be defined solely by what is between their legs.
The possibility of tearing down a system that humanity has followed for thousands of years by a tiny minority even in relation to the already small LGBT minority is...nigh impossible.
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by Cekoviu » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:27 am
Anglomir wrote:Cekoviu wrote:
Biological sex is not hard to define.
Male - possesses male reproductive organs; testes, penis, et. al.
Female - possesses female reproductive organs; vagina, uterus, et. al.
Intersex - possesses an almagamation / none of both of these.
The vast majority of people fit into M or F biologically. Then, they can decide their gender and be 'trans'.
by Auzkhia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:21 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So is arguing that people should be defined solely by what is between their legs.
The possibility of tearing down a system that humanity has followed for thousands of years by a tiny minority even in relation to the already small LGBT minority is...nigh impossible.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:17 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The possibility of tearing down a system that humanity has followed for thousands of years by a tiny minority even in relation to the already small LGBT minority is...nigh impossible.
Not with that attitude, and it's not like hundreds of cultures had traditional "third genders" like Two Spirits of indigenous peoples in North America, the Hijra of South Asia, etc.
Gender isn't universal among everyone.
by Auzkhia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:28 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Auzkhia wrote:Not with that attitude, and it's not like hundreds of cultures had traditional "third genders" like Two Spirits of indigenous peoples in North America, the Hijra of South Asia, etc.
Gender isn't universal among everyone.
I did not state gender, I stated biological sex.
by Cekoviu » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:27 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I did not state gender, I stated biological sex.
I was originally talking about the dissolving the connections between that through the abolition of the sex-gender system. I don't have much add, besides, why is it anyone's concern what genitalia, hormones, chromosomes one has?
by Auzkhia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:23 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:10 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Cekoviu wrote:(except doctors and geneticists)
Yeah, that's one case. I think it's important for the doctor to know what my body is like, but an employer or a bureaucrat handing my card or metal plate that legally allows to me operate my motor car on public roads? What's it to them? At my doctor's office, they ask for sex and gender separately, and even for one's pronouns.
But a driver's license conflates the two, and it should either be made inclusive or abolished.
by Elberron » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:15 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Auzkhia wrote:Yeah, that's one case. I think it's important for the doctor to know what my body is like, but an employer or a bureaucrat handing my card or metal plate that legally allows to me operate my motor car on public roads? What's it to them? At my doctor's office, they ask for sex and gender separately, and even for one's pronouns.
But a driver's license conflates the two, and it should either be made inclusive or abolished.
Or, y’know, it could have both.
by Auzkhia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:07 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Auzkhia wrote:Yeah, that's one case. I think it's important for the doctor to know what my body is like, but an employer or a bureaucrat handing my card or metal plate that legally allows to me operate my motor car on public roads? What's it to them? At my doctor's office, they ask for sex and gender separately, and even for one's pronouns.
But a driver's license conflates the two, and it should either be made inclusive or abolished.
Or, y’know, it could have both.
Elberron wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Or, y’know, it could have both.
Except the safety issues with having your driver's license out you as transgender in a world full of transphobic people- not to mention the fees involved with updating it, which would be necessary for most people.
Also, even in a doctors office setting, sex isn't always as relevant as your gender, particularly for those of us who have been on hormones or otherwise medically transitioned.
by DiscussionPuppet » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:46 pm
by Auzkhia » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:32 pm
DiscussionPuppet wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone have any advice for someone literally too terrified and paranoid to say anything about this to anyone? I've taken upwards of 24 hours to even get up the courage to say something here, and I have even gone through the trouble of making this generic nation specifically so I could say something here without worrying about anyone I know seeing me here. I've even changed my writing style. It's only recently (past 10 days or so) that I even allowed myself to even think about this, and I honestly feel like I'm in the middle of a brutal war. I'm here because I need at least some discussion, and this is really the only place I'm virtually unrecognizable.
by Cekoviu » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:30 am
DiscussionPuppet wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone have any advice for someone literally too terrified and paranoid to say anything about this to anyone? I've taken upwards of 24 hours to even get up the courage to say something here, and I have even gone through the trouble of making this generic nation specifically so I could say something here without worrying about anyone I know seeing me here. I've even changed my writing style. It's only recently (past 10 days or so) that I even allowed myself to even think about this, and I honestly feel like I'm in the middle of a brutal war. I'm here because I need at least some discussion, and this is really the only place I'm virtually unrecognizable.
by DiscussionPuppet » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:59 pm
by The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:03 pm
DiscussionPuppet wrote:Trans.
I'm so terrified of even hinting at that to anyone, even in virtual anonymity. I almost didn't respond to the thread, and it was a fight to get myself to even come back. However, I realize that it's not good to just keep stuff this serious hidden from everyone. I need at least some discussion. Any advice for someone in my situation?
by DiscussionPuppet » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:14 pm
by Auzkhia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:46 pm
DiscussionPuppet wrote:Trans.
I'm so terrified of even hinting at that to anyone, even in virtual anonymity. I almost didn't respond to the thread, and it was a fight to get myself to even come back. However, I realize that it's not good to just keep stuff this serious hidden from everyone. I need at least some discussion. Any advice for someone in my situation?
by Philjia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:09 pm
DiscussionPuppet wrote:Trans.
I'm so terrified of even hinting at that to anyone, even in virtual anonymity. I almost didn't respond to the thread, and it was a fight to get myself to even come back. However, I realize that it's not good to just keep stuff this serious hidden from everyone. I need at least some discussion. Any advice for someone in my situation?
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by Cekoviu » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:13 pm
DiscussionPuppet wrote:I really don't want to give away where I live, but I can tell you that I am within the ages of 18-21.
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