Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Yes but the thing is women, with a vagina, dont want men in the women's restroom. If you look like a man, act, express like a man. Do you think that he should be allowed into the women's restroom, just because he says that he is a woman? No I dont think so.

So you think that being a woman solely involves a vagina, nothing more, nothing less? Mhm.

Personally I don't think this issue really should be an issue. Gender neutral bathrooms would seem to solve it, for the most part.

Um, sexual assualt. I am saying if you present like a woman then feel free to use the women's bathroom.

Yes but the thing is women, with a vagina, dont want men in the women's restroom. If you look like a man, act, express like a man. Do you think that he should be allowed into the women's restroom, just because he says that he is a woman? No I dont think so.

Funny, I wasn't aware any men where going into the restroom. Also, I wasn't aware I who have a vagina have a problem with mtf being in the same restroom as me. Finally there was a time when whites where uncomfortable having blacks in the same restroom, we no longer cater to those people, why should we cater to those who are uncomfortable with mtf.

There is a difference between someone's skin color and someone's genitals

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Funny, I wasn't aware any men where going into the restroom. Also, I wasn't aware I who have a vagina have a problem with mtf being in the same restroom as me. Finally there was a time when whites where uncomfortable having blacks in the same restroom, we no longer cater to those people, why should we cater to those who are uncomfortable with mtf.

Permit me to observe that the individual Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy does state they are mtf according to this factbook.

I am MtF.

[Ormata]

Um, sexual assualt. I am saying if you present like a woman then feel free to use the women's bathroom.

There are lesbian rapists. There are gay rapists. That is all I will state on the first part, I think the following conclusion is quite obvious.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Um, sexual assualt. I am saying if you present like a woman then feel free to use the women's bathroom.

There are lesbian rapists. There are gay rapists. That is all I will state on the first part, I think the following conclusion is quite obvious.

Ok. Who is more likely to rape in the general public? Men, now same scenario it is women more likely to be raped. (not including prison rapes). Yes there are these rapists but not as much as men

[Neutraligon]

So you think that being a woman solely involves a vagina, nothing more, nothing less? Mhm.

Personally I don't think this issue really should be an issue. Gender neutral bathrooms would seem to solve it, for the most part.

Um, sexual assualt. I am saying if you present like a woman then feel free to use the women's bathroom.

Funny, I wasn't aware any men where going into the restroom. Also, I wasn't aware I who have a vagina have a problem with mtf being in the same restroom as me. Finally there was a time when whites where uncomfortable having blacks in the same restroom, we no longer cater to those people, why should we cater to those who are uncomfortable with mtf.

There is a difference between someone's skin color and someone's genitals

Really, what makes being uncomfortable with someone due to race and different from due to sex?

As to your above answer, how would a sign stop someone from raping a person?

[Neutraligon]

There are lesbian rapists. There are gay rapists. That is all I will state on the first part, I think the following conclusion is quite obvious.

Ok. Who is more likely to rape in the general public? Men, now same scenario it is women more likely to be raped. (not including prison rapes). Yes there are these rapists but not as much as men

Source that uses a reasonable definition of rape. (you know like made to penetrate and all that shit)

[Ormata]

There are lesbian rapists. There are gay rapists. That is all I will state on the first part, I think the following conclusion is quite obvious.

Ok. Who is more likely to rape in the general public? Men, now same scenario it is women more likely to be raped. (not including prison rapes). Yes there are these rapists but not as much as men

http://www.mintpressnews.com/woman-aggr ... ce/196746/

More than 830,000 men fall victim to domestic violence every year. A man is the victim of domestic abuse every 37.8 seconds in America. These numbers are not inconsequential and the frequency is far from insignificant.

Jan Brown, executive director and founder of the Domestic Abuse Helpline for Men, stated that “domestic violence is not about size, gender, or strength. It’s about abuse, control, and power, and getting out of dangerous situations and getting help, whether you are a woman being abused, or a man.”

In 2001, the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health collected data about the health of a nationally representative sample of 14,322 individuals between the ages of 18 and 28. The study also asked subjects to answer questions about romantic or sexual relationships in which they had engaged during the previous five years and whether those relationships had involved violence.

From this information researchers found that of the 18,761 relationships, 76 percent were non-violent and 24 percent were violent. Of the 24 percent that were violent, half had been reciprocal and half had not — reciprocal meaning there was violence inflicted by both partners. Although more men than women (53 percent versus 49 percent) had experienced nonreciprocal violent relationships, more women than men (52 percent versus 47 percent) had taken part in ones involving reciprocal violence.

This statistic was undoubtedly the most striking: in committing acts of domestic violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, in the 71 percent of nonreciprocal partner violence instances, the instigator was the woman. This flies in the face of the long-held belief that female aggression in a relationship is most often predicated on self-defense.

Further, while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships that featured reciprocal violence men were injured more often (25 percent of the time) than women (20 percent of the time).

Great Britain’s Office of National Statistics also showed that while 1.2 million women experienced domestic violence, 800,000 men did as well — in the U.K., men comprise 40 percent of those who suffer from domestic violence.

[Vassenor]

Anyway, first test with the new setup. It seemed to work fine under my jeans, but under the suit it seems a little bit too bulgy still. And yes, I am trying to work on the balloon belly.

But this was with a slightly problematic taping.

I guess I'm wondering what everyone else thinks, since I may be negatively biased.

Sorry... that one's not working. v.v Too sheer and too... tight. Plus, that spider man pattern is something I think people'll only asociate with masculinity.

What kinds of normal outfits do you have? I remember one of your picturs of you wearing normal clothes and you looked just fine, really.

Was looking more into how effective the tuck job was than the costume.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Um, sexual assualt. I am saying if you present like a woman then feel free to use the women's bathroom.


There is a difference between someone's skin color and someone's genitals

Really, what makes being uncomfortable with someone due to race and different from due to sex?

As to your above answer, how would a sign stop someone from raping a person?

Race is a social construct while sex is a biological construct. A sign wont stop someone. But transgender bathrooms encourage it. I think I may have a solution to this problem

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Ok. Who is more likely to rape in the general public? Men, now same scenario it is women more likely to be raped. (not including prison rapes). Yes there are these rapists but not as much as men

http://www.mintpressnews.com/woman-aggr ... ce/196746/

More than 830,000 men fall victim to domestic violence every year. A man is the victim of domestic abuse every 37.8 seconds in America. These numbers are not inconsequential and the frequency is far from insignificant.

Jan Brown, executive director and founder of the Domestic Abuse Helpline for Men, stated that “domestic violence is not about size, gender, or strength. It’s about abuse, control, and power, and getting out of dangerous situations and getting help, whether you are a woman being abused, or a man.”

In 2001, the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health collected data about the health of a nationally representative sample of 14,322 individuals between the ages of 18 and 28. The study also asked subjects to answer questions about romantic or sexual relationships in which they had engaged during the previous five years and whether those relationships had involved violence.

From this information researchers found that of the 18,761 relationships, 76 percent were non-violent and 24 percent were violent. Of the 24 percent that were violent, half had been reciprocal and half had not — reciprocal meaning there was violence inflicted by both partners. Although more men than women (53 percent versus 49 percent) had experienced nonreciprocal violent relationships, more women than men (52 percent versus 47 percent) had taken part in ones involving reciprocal violence.

This statistic was undoubtedly the most striking: in committing acts of domestic violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, in the 71 percent of nonreciprocal partner violence instances, the instigator was the woman. This flies in the face of the long-held belief that female aggression in a relationship is most often predicated on self-defense.

Further, while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships that featured reciprocal violence men were injured more often (25 percent of the time) than women (20 percent of the time).

Great Britain’s Office of National Statistics also showed that while 1.2 million women experienced domestic violence, 800,000 men did as well — in the U.K., men comprise 40 percent of those who suffer from domestic violence.

Am I talking about Domestic Violence? No!

[Ormata]

Am I talking about Domestic Violence? No!

Nope. What's you're talking about is rape, and statistically people perform violent crimes, like rape and abuse, and people they don't know. Domestic abuses are situations where both of them know one-another. I think you can see where the line of logic there leads to.

As for you having a "Solution", by all means, explain.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Am I talking about Domestic Violence? No!

Nope. What's you're talking about is rape, and statistically people perform violent crimes, like rape and abuse, and people they don't know. Domestic abuses are situations where both of them know one-another. I think you can see where the line of logic there leads to.

As for you having a "Solution", by all means, explain.

Nope. I see a straw man. Instead of gender neutral bathrooms or transgender bathrooms. Why not send out the sex offender list to everyone that has a public bathroom. You might be able to see where I am going with this. If you dont. Dont allow said people into his/her opposite sex's bathroom. All the while encouraging women and men to report sexual assualt

[Khalisako]

the people who kept saying "lol trump supports lgbt stfu" will ignore this and keep claiming it

Yes but the thing is women, with a vagina, dont want men in the women's restroom. If you look like a man, act, express like a man. Do you think that he should be allowed into the women's restroom, just because he says that he is a woman? No I dont think so.

I agree with that one.

I myself think MtF's should ask themselves the question; "Can I really pass enough to not cause alarm if I have to use a girls bathroom at a children's muesum?"

If the answer is "no", than I think that person should probably progress a bit more until they make the switch. Not because I hate liberals, but because it's prefferble not to scare somebody into thinking you're a sexual predator. Even tho you were jsut in there to pee and wash your hands. I preffer reactions to be of indifference, not suspicion.

Don't get the point of transgender only bathrooms tho. Seems like a bunch of bullshit.

[Mechanisburg]

Gender and sex aren't the same thing.

Gender: Whether you feel Male or Female or inbetween.

Sex: Whether you have dude or lady parts

Gender is a construct of your mind, while sex is a construct of genetics. You can't change chromosomes, but you can change parts to bring mind in line with body. Saying otherwise is lunacy.

Edit: ninja'd, drat.

Gender is your imagination. It doesn't make it reality. What gender you feel you are is irrelevant.

Mutilating your body doesn't help, either: http://www.sexchangeregret.com/research

Check this out: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-spea ... s-children

Wait, you cited the American College of Paediatricians? Seriously? Why not the bigger and more credible American Academy of Paediatrics?

This is their policy statement re: LGBTQ youths.

See the technical report for additional details on the medical and surgical transition of transgender youth. Supportive counseling is paramount to assist the teenager with any dysphoria and to explore gender roles before altering the body. The therapy consists of potentially delaying puberty with gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogs, then use of hormonal therapy, and finally surgery.

Which is basically the policy of every single serious medical organization - AMA, APA, WPATH all alike (see also Hembree, 2009).

"Mutilating your body" is even more ignorance - and, if I was a SRS surgeon I'd consider that an insult. Surgeons are trained professionals with years of experience, and what they do is no "mutilation". The only time the world mutilation is trotted out is when trying to appeal to the emotions of people: "See, they are crazy! Not only they want [sic] to be women, they cut off their own balls!"

The sex change regrets website is mostly irrelevant. The oft-cited and seldom read Sweden cohort study - Dhejne, 2011 - had a follow-up study in the form of Dhejne, 2014, and what they found was that "There were 15 (5 MF and 10 MF) regret applications corresponding to a 2.2% regret rate for both sexes. There was a significant decline of regrets over the time period.", and basically everything else says the same thing (Smith, 2001; Smith, 2005; Bowman, 2006; Cohen-Kettenis, 1997; De Cuypere, 2006 to cite a few).

[Ormata]

Nope. What's you're talking about is rape, and statistically people perform violent crimes, like rape and abuse, and people they don't know. Domestic abuses are situations where both of them know one-another. I think you can see where the line of logic there leads to.

As for you having a "Solution", by all means, explain.

Nope. I see a straw man. Instead of gender neutral bathrooms or transgender bathrooms. Why not send out the sex offender list to everyone that has a public bathroom. You might be able to see where I am going with this. If you dont. Dont allow said people into his/her opposite sex's bathroom. All the while encouraging women and men to report sexual assualt

So your solution is...wait wait wait. A public bathroom is one that's just that, in the public. Not owned by anyone. So how would someone...have a public bathroom? Sorry if I'm confused on that point, because unless I'm missing something what you're stating seems to be "Send a sex offender list to everyone". As for not allowing an individual into a bathroom, might I ask how?

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Nope. I see a straw man. Instead of gender neutral bathrooms or transgender bathrooms. Why not send out the sex offender list to everyone that has a public bathroom. You might be able to see where I am going with this. If you dont. Dont allow said people into his/her opposite sex's bathroom. All the while encouraging women and men to report sexual assualt

So your solution is...wait wait wait. A public bathroom is one that's just that, in the public. Not owned by anyone. So how would someone...have a public bathroom? Sorry if I'm confused on that point, because unless I'm missing something what you're stating seems to be "Send a sex offender list to everyone". As for not allowing an individual into a bathroom, might I ask how?

SAying how you tried to strawman I understand where you are coming from. No, all of them are owned by someone.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Yes but the thing is women, with a vagina, dont want men in the women's restroom. If you look like a man, act, express like a man. Do you think that he should be allowed into the women's restroom, just because he says that he is a woman? No I dont think so.

I agree with that one.

I myself think MtF's should ask themselves the question; "Can I really pass enough to not cause alarm if I have to use a girls bathroom at a children's muesum?"

If the answer is "no", than I think that person should probably progress a bit more until they make the switch. Not because I hate liberals, but because it's prefferble not to scare somebody into thinking you're a sexual predator. Even tho you were jsut in there to pee and wash your hands. I preffer reactions to be of indifference, not suspicion.

Don't get the point of transgender only bathrooms tho. Seems like a bunch of bullshit.

Thank you. I will say I can pass far well enough

[Ormata]

SAying how you tried to strawman I understand where you are coming from. No, all of them are owned by someone.

That wasn't a strawman. I was pointing-out that women are just as capable of abuse and damage as men. If it is not applicable then I respectfully rescind the statement because I honestly think it seems to be applicable.

As for all of them being owned, I ask again how that idea would be enforced.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

So your solution is...wait wait wait. A public bathroom is one that's just that, in the public. Not owned by anyone. So how would someone...have a public bathroom? Sorry if I'm confused on that point, because unless I'm missing something what you're stating seems to be "Send a sex offender list to everyone". As for not allowing an individual into a bathroom, might I ask how?

SAying how you tried to strawman I understand where you are coming from. No, all of them are owned by someone.

That wasn't a strawman. I was pointing-out that women are just as capable of abuse and damage as men. If it is not applicable then I respectfully rescind the statement because I honestly think it seems to be applicable.

As for all of them being owned, I ask again how that idea would be enforced.[/quote]
No it was, trying to make an argument where one did not exist. I am not sure. I tell you it is an idea not law

[Ormata]

No it was, trying to make an argument where one did not exist. I am not sure. I tell you it is an idea not law

Would you mind explaining how my argument doesn't exist?

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

No it was, trying to make an argument where one did not exist. I am not sure. I tell you it is an idea not law

Would you mind explaining how my argument doesn't exist?

I was argueing why we should not have transgender bathrooms. Saying that rape is a chance. I did not say anything about who is more Violent I was saying who rapes more, and who is raped the most. I said nothing about Violence. So Strawman

[Mechanisburg]

I agree with that one.

I myself think MtF's should ask themselves the question; "Can I really pass enough to not cause alarm if I have to use a girls bathroom at a children's muesum?"

If the answer is "no", than I think that person should probably progress a bit more until they make the switch. Not because I hate liberals, but because it's prefferble not to scare somebody into thinking you're a sexual predator. Even tho you were jsut in there to pee and wash your hands. I preffer reactions to be of indifference, not suspicion.

Don't get the point of transgender only bathrooms tho. Seems like a bunch of bullshit.

Thank you. I will say I can pass far well enough

And what about people who don't pass, maybe won't ever pass, and don't feel comfortable in male bathrooms? Is the fact some cis women might be uncomfortable because a woman with male features enters a public bathroom more important than the health of the latter (I remember, but can't cite off the top of my head, a study stating about 8% of trans women have kidney problems because of this)?

At least one woman I know of, a cis butch lesbian, was harassed by other women in a public bathroom because she looked out of place.

Why are we even still bothering with segregated bathrooms when the equipment needed to pee and poo is the same for everyone?

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Thank you. I will say I can pass far well enough

And what about people who don't pass, maybe won't ever pass, and don't feel comfortable in male bathrooms? Is the fact some cis women might be uncomfortable because a woman with male features enters a public bathroom more important than the health of the latter (I remember, but can't cite off the top of my head, a study stating about 8% of trans women have kidney problems because of this)?

At least one woman I know of, a cis butch lesbian, was harassed by other women in a public bathroom because she looked out of place.

Why are we even still bothering with segregated bathrooms when the equipment needed to pee and poo is the same for everyone?

What? No it is not. Vagina and a Penis are not the same

[Ormata]

What? No it is not. Vagina and a Penis are not the same

Urethra is the same thing.

[Val Halla]

tbh i just have issues with being stylistically clueless and asking my family for things like a haircut, better stuff to get rid off hair, clothes etc