Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[The New California Republic]

My question is, and it's a sincere one, is what does feeling like a "man" or a "woman" feel like? Especially if you've only ever been one or the other sexually speaking.

I don't really feel anything as a "man", except hungry frequently.

I can't answer because of the very specific type of non-binary I am...namely that a am agender. I have no idea what it would feel like to be a man/woman.

I thought you mentioned being biologically male in another thread? Wouldn't that affect the way that you feel either in terms of being comfortable with that state of affairs or having dysphoria? Maybe I misread what you said.

[Auzkhia]

I can't answer because of the very specific type of non-binary I am...namely that a am agender. I have no idea what it would feel like to be a man/woman.

I thought you mentioned being biologically male in another thread? Wouldn't that affect the way that you feel either in terms of being comfortable with that state of affairs or having dysphoria? Maybe I misread what you said.

Your AGAB does influence it a bit, I just don't want to be seen as a man at all. My partner, who is agender, says that they don't want to be seen as a woman. I'm amab and they're afab. I'm not agender, I'm androgynous and a demigirl.

[Pope Joan]

News photos of arrest for failure to comply with demands for sources reveal that Chelsea Manning has been transitioning stunningly

[Farburg]

You exist, it’s just your either a man or woman who’s pretending to be neither.

As far as gender is concerned nope. I am neither a man nor a woman. It is always interesting to learn that complete strangers apparently know my own mind better than I do.

It's not about your mind or feelings

[Vassenor]

As far as gender is concerned nope. I am neither a man nor a woman. It is always interesting to learn that complete strangers apparently know my own mind better than I do.

It's not about your mind or feelings

I'm not following your logic here.

[Farburg]

Transgender, adjective, "denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex."
Sounds transgender to me, and I am. If you have a medicalist take, I am medically transitioning, but even if I were not, I'd still be trans. Only way a non-binary person can't be trans? If they were assigned that at birth and still identified with that. As long I'm not my AGAB, I am trans.

Funny that, gatekeepers pretend to be experts on other people's lives. Only you can be the expert of you.

Race isn't real (biologically, at least), but racism is. Gender is similar in that way, and so gender has no essential element to exist, but sexism and transphobia exist. Gender only exists because we live in a society.

That's why calling something a construct is a pretty lame attempt to try to render it illegitimate.
If it has a name, it's a construct, making constructs is the only way people can make sense of the world. Nothing would work if we just looked at the world as an incoherent blob with no definitions or lines.
You do realize that literally everything is a human construct, right?

After all, how do we truly know if time exists or if a snake is really called a snake?

[Farburg]

It's not about your mind or feelings

I'm not following your logic here.

Man and woman are sexes, for most of history gender was based on these two sexes, but now it means nothing.
If someone goes through the surgical trouble to look like the other sex I'll at least give them that, but you can't make up a new sex.
If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

[Farburg]

It's not about your mind or feelings

I'm not following your logic here.

People shouldn't be able to make up new things and try to be them,
unless you think it would be okay to make a new race or ethnicity and identify as that.

[Farburg]

My question is, and it's a sincere one, is what does feeling like a "man" or a "woman" feel like? Especially if you've only ever been one or the other sexually speaking.

I don't really feel anything as a "man", except hungry frequently.

I can't answer because of the very specific type of non-binary I am...namely that a am agender. I have no idea what it would feel like to be a man/woman.

Can you get pregnant?

[Vassenor]

I'm not following your logic here.

Man and woman are sexes, for most of history gender was based on these two sexes, but now it means nothing.
If someone goes through the surgical trouble to look like the other sex I'll at least give them that, but you can't make up a new sex.
If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

Binary gender is something that the western world imposed on everyone else.

[The New California Republic]

I can't answer because of the very specific type of non-binary I am...namely that a am agender. I have no idea what it would feel like to be a man/woman.

Can you get pregnant?

The fuck does that have to do with anything?

[Farburg]

Man and woman are sexes, for most of history gender was based on these two sexes, but now it means nothing.
If someone goes through the surgical trouble to look like the other sex I'll at least give them that, but you can't make up a new sex.
If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

Binary gender is something that the western world imposed on everyone else.

No, gender based on the two sexes is something common in western languages
I just said that in Swahili the genders are animate and inanimate

[Farburg]

Can you get pregnant?

The fuck does that have to do with anything?

Sorry, I mean what is your sex? Gender doesn't seem to mean anything anymore.
Are you male, female? And yes there are Transexual people.

[Vassenor]

Binary gender is something that the western world imposed on everyone else.

No, gender based on the two sexes is something common in western languages
I just said that in Swahili the genders are animate and inanimate

So even when you say "for most of history" you admit that's bullshit?

[Farburg]

No, gender based on the two sexes is something common in western languages
I just said that in Swahili the genders are animate and inanimate

So even when you say "for most of history" you admit that's bullshit?

I meant for our language it was true.

[Vassenor]

So even when you say "for most of history" you admit that's bullshit?

I meant for our language it was true.

So yes, forced on everyone else by the west.

[The New California Republic]

The fuck does that have to do with anything?

Sorry, I mean what is your sex? Gender doesn't seem to mean anything anymore.
Are you male, female? And yes there are Transexual people.

No, why did you ask someone if they can get pregnant? I'm asking why the fuck you asked someone that.

[Ifreann]

I'm not following your logic here.

Man and woman are sexes, for most of history gender was based on these two sexes, but now it means nothing.
If someone goes through the surgical trouble to look like the other sex I'll at least give them that, but you can't make up a new sex.

Sure you can. Biology isn't really a binary, we can put names on any number of points on the spectrum that we feel like naming.

If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

The German language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter.

[Farburg]

I'm saying gender is just a linguistic term more important for grammar than identity and social structures. It's just most languages based it on sex which has been very influential on identity and social structures.

Gender is not it's own independent thing you can identify as, it has to based on something else.

[Farburg]

Man and woman are sexes, for most of history gender was based on these two sexes, but now it means nothing.
If someone goes through the surgical trouble to look like the other sex I'll at least give them that, but you can't make up a new sex.

Sure you can. Biology isn't really a binary, we can put names on any number of points on the spectrum that we feel like naming.

If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

The German language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Neuter meaning neither

[The New California Republic]

If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

The German language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Indeed they do, much to my annoyance, as they gender everything.

[Farburg]

Man and woman are sexes, for most of history gender was based on these two sexes, but now it means nothing.
If someone goes through the surgical trouble to look like the other sex I'll at least give them that, but you can't make up a new sex.

Sure you can. Biology isn't really a binary, we can put names on any number of points on the spectrum that we feel like naming.

If gender is based on sex there are two genders, if gender is not based on sex there are no genders at all.
You have to choose one system of gender and stick with it. You could go the swahili route and be animate or inanimate (those are the genders in their language).

The German language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Spectrums are binary, each point is not it's own sex only a combination of the two existing ones. And people usually only fall in-between due to disorders and deformities. People mistakenly think that a man is someone who ''conforms'' to ''male roles'' and females are those who ''conform'' to ''female roles'' but really the two sexes always existed but the roles applied to them did not. A man in a dress is still a man, there is no such thing as acting like a man, a man is a man and he can act however he likes.

[ELwurd]

I'm not following your logic here.

People shouldn't be able to make up new things and try to be them,
unless you think it would be okay to make a new race or ethnicity and identify as that.

bad news, everybody, we gotta go back to caves and mammoth hunting since everything since then has been "making up new things"

[Farburg]

The German language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Indeed they do, much to my annoyance, as they gender everything.

Honestly, I'm just going to start referring to everyone by sex instead of gender.
Sex is real and not based on anything else.

[Ifreann]

Sure you can. Biology isn't really a binary, we can put names on any number of points on the spectrum that we feel like naming.

The German language has three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Neuter meaning neither

Neuter meaning neuter. The German word is Neutrum.