Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Liriena]

Yeah, that's the case in a lot of countries.

The most basic summarization of said laws is that teenager sexual relations are permitted, but only among their own age group.

It’s been a while, but I think 16 was the threshold where the restrictions were fully lifted.

I think it's about the same here, although there are still some restrictions between the ages of 16 and 18, IIRC, pertaining to the cases where the adult is an authority figure (legal guardian, teacher, etc.).

[Cekoviu]

Umm, excuse me, but technically it's ephebophilia!

Ironically enough, we have tiered laws concerning the sexual relations of 12-18-year olds here in Canada.

Romeo and Juliet laws aren't uncommon for teenagers.

[Auzkhia]

Ironically enough, we have tiered laws concerning the sexual relations of 12-18-year olds here in Canada.

Romeo and Juliet laws aren't uncommon for teenagers.

My state has that, with the age of consent being 16. Most states tend to have 16 or 17 ages of consent, which is the youngest age you can get hormones.

Any younger, and all you can get are puberty blockers.

[DiscussionPuppet]

Thanks for the suggestion. I already have fairly long hair, fortunately. I'd just need to be able to avoid haircuts that are too short.

If you have any clothes that are less masculine than what you normally wear (I realize you probably don't have outright feminine clothes), that can help, too. Also, if you want an affirming friend, there's plenty of people here, myself included.

Just for the record and the sake of the argument, nobody forced me to be trans. I wasn't abused at all, nothing really bad happened. I have really nice parents. Nobody "indoctrinated" me to be like this. I also didn't choose it. I just am. And I've got no desire to force anyone to be like this either, because it's been extremely rough.

That's the most insidious part about that whole narrative, is that it tries to gaslight us.

I normally just wear a t-shirt and long pants, so I don't know what I'd do with that. Though what really gets me depressed is whenever I have to dress for a more formal setting, because I have to pretend I'm not suffering horribly inside. I am a pretty good actor, fortunately, but I also think this acting might have actually hurt me in the long run because I never let anyone see that there was something wrong.

Yeah, I know. I hate it when people say that. It makes me want to belt out exactly how wrong they are, how I never asked for any of this.

So I'm considering giving a subtle series of loyalty tests to one of my more recent and more accepting friends and ultimately see if he would be ok with this. Do you think that's a good idea?

Also, I tried out poetry today, and I wrote a poem mainly to encourage myself to keep going through all this. It really applies to anyone in a tough situation, so I hope it could help people with completely unrelated problems.

Would anyone like to read it?

[Auzkhia]

If you have any clothes that are less masculine than what you normally wear (I realize you probably don't have outright feminine clothes), that can help, too. Also, if you want an affirming friend, there's plenty of people here, myself included.



That's the most insidious part about that whole narrative, is that it tries to gaslight us.

I normally just wear a t-shirt and long pants, so I don't know what I'd do with that. Though what really gets me depressed is whenever I have to dress for a more formal setting, because I have to pretend I'm not suffering horribly inside. I am a pretty good actor, fortunately, but I also think this acting might have actually hurt me in the long run because I never let anyone see that there was something wrong.

Yeah, I know. I hate it when people say that. It makes me want to belt out exactly how wrong they are, how I never asked for any of this.

So I'm considering giving a subtle series of loyalty tests to one of my more recent and more accepting friends and ultimately see if he would be ok with this. Do you think that's a good idea?

Also, I tried out poetry today, and I wrote a poem mainly to encourage myself to keep going through all this. It really applies to anyone in a tough situation, so I hope it could help people with completely unrelated problems.

Would anyone like to read it?

Yes for sure, are posting it here or sending it via telegrams?

[DiscussionPuppet]

I normally just wear a t-shirt and long pants, so I don't know what I'd do with that. Though what really gets me depressed is whenever I have to dress for a more formal setting, because I have to pretend I'm not suffering horribly inside. I am a pretty good actor, fortunately, but I also think this acting might have actually hurt me in the long run because I never let anyone see that there was something wrong.

Yeah, I know. I hate it when people say that. It makes me want to belt out exactly how wrong they are, how I never asked for any of this.

So I'm considering giving a subtle series of loyalty tests to one of my more recent and more accepting friends and ultimately see if he would be ok with this. Do you think that's a good idea?

Also, I tried out poetry today, and I wrote a poem mainly to encourage myself to keep going through all this. It really applies to anyone in a tough situation, so I hope it could help people with completely unrelated problems.

Would anyone like to read it?

Yes for sure, are posting it here or sending it via telegrams?

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

[Thuzbekistan]

If I had the information about gender I have now about 10 years ago, when I was around 11 years old, or even 10 years old, at the cusp of puberty, I could have realized I was non-binary then, and later realize I was also bisexual if we talked about attraction as well. Some people knew they were gay, for example, since they were a kid.

Would I have wanted puberty blockers? Maybe, I'm sure I'd have an informed choice guided by some supportive professionals. I knew I wanted breasts as soon I heard about it, and liked both things pertaining to boys and girls.

You dont get a choice. Your parents do

[Grenartia]

If you have any clothes that are less masculine than what you normally wear (I realize you probably don't have outright feminine clothes), that can help, too. Also, if you want an affirming friend, there's plenty of people here, myself included.



That's the most insidious part about that whole narrative, is that it tries to gaslight us.

I normally just wear a t-shirt and long pants, so I don't know what I'd do with that. Though what really gets me depressed is whenever I have to dress for a more formal setting, because I have to pretend I'm not suffering horribly inside. I am a pretty good actor, fortunately, but I also think this acting might have actually hurt me in the long run because I never let anyone see that there was something wrong.

God, I feel so personally described by that paragraph.

Yeah, I know. I hate it when people say that. It makes me want to belt out exactly how wrong they are, how I never asked for any of this.

So I'm considering giving a subtle series of loyalty tests to one of my more recent and more accepting friends and ultimately see if he would be ok with this. Do you think that's a good idea?

As long as you don't make it too obvious.

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Damn, that's a good poem.

If I had the information about gender I have now about 10 years ago, when I was around 11 years old, or even 10 years old, at the cusp of puberty, I could have realized I was non-binary then, and later realize I was also bisexual if we talked about attraction as well. Some people knew they were gay, for example, since they were a kid.

Would I have wanted puberty blockers? Maybe, I'm sure I'd have an informed choice guided by some supportive professionals. I knew I wanted breasts as soon I heard about it, and liked both things pertaining to boys and girls.

You dont get a choice. Your parents do

They shouldn't be able to refuse medically necessary treatment. Mature Minor the shit out of it.

[Thuzbekistan]

I normally just wear a t-shirt and long pants, so I don't know what I'd do with that. Though what really gets me depressed is whenever I have to dress for a more formal setting, because I have to pretend I'm not suffering horribly inside. I am a pretty good actor, fortunately, but I also think this acting might have actually hurt me in the long run because I never let anyone see that there was something wrong.

God, I feel so personally described by that paragraph.

Yeah, I know. I hate it when people say that. It makes me want to belt out exactly how wrong they are, how I never asked for any of this.

So I'm considering giving a subtle series of loyalty tests to one of my more recent and more accepting friends and ultimately see if he would be ok with this. Do you think that's a good idea?

As long as you don't make it too obvious.

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Damn, that's a good poem.

You dont get a choice. Your parents do

They shouldn't be able to refuse medically necessary treatment. Mature Minor the shit out of it.

It's only medically necessary if a doctor or psychiatrist says it is. That means mental evaluations.

[Grenartia]

God, I feel so personally described by that paragraph.



As long as you don't make it too obvious.



Damn, that's a good poem.



They shouldn't be able to refuse medically necessary treatment. Mature Minor the shit out of it.

It's only medically necessary if a doctor or psychiatrist says it is. That means mental evaluations.

And...?

[Auzkhia]

If I had the information about gender I have now about 10 years ago, when I was around 11 years old, or even 10 years old, at the cusp of puberty, I could have realized I was non-binary then, and later realize I was also bisexual if we talked about attraction as well. Some people knew they were gay, for example, since they were a kid.

Would I have wanted puberty blockers? Maybe, I'm sure I'd have an informed choice guided by some supportive professionals. I knew I wanted breasts as soon I heard about it, and liked both things pertaining to boys and girls.

You dont get a choice. Your parents do

I wish I had the choice, but I was denied that, and my parents did not know anything, they too were ignorant. Parents can be wrong, mother or father didn't know best, and there are examples of that. In this case, or even anti-vaxxers. Some states allow minors to make their medical decisions.

Parents that refuse proper treatment for their child are abusive. The only "cure" for trans people is letting them transition on their own terms.

It's only medically necessary if a doctor or psychiatrist says it is. That means mental evaluations.

And...?

I did say that a young version of me would have greatly benefited from an affirming gender therapist who could recommend me some help and proper treatment.

Of course, placing the knowledge of an adult to a child would make them mature in that way.

Yes for sure, are posting it here or sending it via telegrams?

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

That's brilliant and inspiring, and I mean that to the highest degree of sincerity; well said.

[DiscussionPuppet]

You dont get a choice. Your parents do

I wish I had the choice, but I was denied that, and my parents did not know anything, they too were ignorant. Parents can be wrong, mother or father didn't know best, and there are examples of that. In this case, or even anti-vaxxers. Some states allow minors to make their medical decisions.

Parents that refuse proper treatment for their child are abusive. The only "cure" for trans people is letting them transition on their own terms.

And...?

I did say that a young version of me would have greatly benefited from an affirming gender therapist who could recommend me some help and proper treatment.

Of course, placing the knowledge of an adult to a child would make them mature in that way.

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

That's brilliant and inspiring, and I mean that to the highest degree of sincerity; well said.

Thanks!

I guess tomorrow I get to see if my friend is trustworthy enough.

[Cekoviu]

Yes for sure, are posting it here or sending it via telegrams?

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Are you planning on studying English or Classics or anything like that in college? This is a really great poem.

[DiscussionPuppet]

I could just post it here. Just know that it's my first time actually writing poetry, and villanelles specifically.

Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
It shall get better, no matter what things transpire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Though you feel you may never fully unite
That this war may never cease though it is your desire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease to advance, carry on in spite
Of those who would rather see you in fire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Unto all you shall be a light
Even in this situation so dire
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight

Never cease for Liberty to fight
Be one whose perseverance does inspire
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Remember, my friend, you do shine bright
And you shall indeed reach higher and higher
Keep going, good comrade, into the fight
Carry on until you see Freedom’s light

Are you planning on studying English or Classics or anything like that in college? This is a really great poem.

Thanks! I'm actually going into STEM, but I've always liked my English, History, and Art classes a lot, many times way more than the math classes or other STEM-related subjects. I even scored higher in English than in math on the ACT. I don't know what it is, but those classes have always just seemed really interesting and fun compared to memorizing formulas and coding and all that.

I know, it's not really normal for someone in that field to like writing, but then again, I'm already fairly different from everyone else.

[Grenartia]

Are you planning on studying English or Classics or anything like that in college? This is a really great poem.

Thanks! I'm actually going into STEM, but I've always liked my English, History, and Art classes a lot, many times way more than the math classes or other STEM-related subjects. I even scored higher in English than in math on the ACT. I don't know what it is, but those classes have always just seemed really interesting and fun compared to memorizing formulas and coding and all that.

I know, it's not really normal for someone in that field to like writing, but then again, I'm already fairly different from everyone else.

I must be weird, because I always enjoyed math and science more than English or Art. History I liked just as much as math and science. I was always bad at art (to this day, I still cannot comprehend music theory, despite literally understanding orbital mechanics on an intuitive level). English was always my second-weakest subject, though. I was really good at reading, and reading comprehension, but I hated grammar, and answering those stupid questions like "what did the author mean when she said "the curtains were blue"?"

[Auzkhia]

Thanks! I'm actually going into STEM, but I've always liked my English, History, and Art classes a lot, many times way more than the math classes or other STEM-related subjects. I even scored higher in English than in math on the ACT. I don't know what it is, but those classes have always just seemed really interesting and fun compared to memorizing formulas and coding and all that.

I know, it's not really normal for someone in that field to like writing, but then again, I'm already fairly different from everyone else.

I must be weird, because I always enjoyed math and science more than English or Art. History I liked just as much as math and science. I was always bad at art (to this day, I still cannot comprehend music theory, despite literally understanding orbital mechanics on an intuitive level). English was always my second-weakest subject, though. I was really good at reading, and reading comprehension, but I hated grammar, and answering those stupid questions like "what did the author mean when she said "the curtains were blue"?"

I study history and German myself, history and language are my strongest. History has a lot of reading and writing to it, story is in history for a reason because both came from the same word. I think math was my weakest subject, I was good at science until I took chemistry, which had a lot of math in it. I had to take a science and math class in my college and those were the hardest classes I took, they were statistics and neuroscience. Statistics was my worst class.

[Cekoviu]

Are you planning on studying English or Classics or anything like that in college? This is a really great poem.

Thanks! I'm actually going into STEM, but I've always liked my English, History, and Art classes a lot, many times way more than the math classes or other STEM-related subjects. I even scored higher in English than in math on the ACT. I don't know what it is, but those classes have always just seemed really interesting and fun compared to memorizing formulas and coding and all that.

I know, it's not really normal for someone in that field to like writing, but then again, I'm already fairly different from everyone else.

Well, my main specialty is technically biology, but I'm more interested in linguistics and history myself, so it's not that strange.

[DiscussionPuppet]

So dysphoria completely ruined my day today.

[Vassenor]

So dysphoria completely ruined my day today.

I know that feel all too damn well.

[DiscussionPuppet]

So dysphoria completely ruined my day today.

I know that feel all too damn well.

Yeah, you just wake up and feel awful and there's not really anything you can do about it. It's so frustrating.

On the bright side, I think I might be able to actually email a teacher that I have about this. Of course, it'll have to be anonymously for now, but it would be the only person I know IRL that would be aware that I was trans.

[Cekoviu]

I know that feel all too damn well.

Yeah, you just wake up and feel awful and there's not really anything you can do about it. It's so frustrating.

On the bright side, I think I might be able to actually email a teacher that I have about this. Of course, it'll have to be anonymously for now, but it would be the only person I know IRL that would be aware that I was trans.

That's really good. Having at least one person that you actually know know about you being trans (or a sexual minority, etc.) is a lot more helpful than it might seem at first glance.

[Auzkhia]

Good news for the thread: I booked an initial appointment for hormone therapy at planned parenthood.

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So dysphoria completely ruined my day today.

Aw that's rough.

Yeah, you just wake up and feel awful and there's not really anything you can do about it. It's so frustrating.

On the bright side, I think I might be able to actually email a teacher that I have about this. Of course, it'll have to be anonymously for now, but it would be the only person I know IRL that would be aware that I was trans.

That's really good. Having at least one person that you actually know know about you being trans (or a sexual minority, etc.) is a lot more helpful than it might seem at first glance.

Having any supportive figure in your life makes a difference.

[Anarcho capitalist utopia]

https://savejames.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Younger-VS-Georgulas.pdf

Specifically, James is a gender expasive or transgender child and, by choice, now goes
by the name Luna and is only known by her classmates as a girl.

ln response to Luna's choices, the Father has engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior,
including physical force, toward the Mother. His actions are clearly intended to threaten and
intimidate the Mother. Further, the Father has engaged in emotionally abusive behavior toward the
child (as example only, haircutting and other non-affiming actions).

Welp, it looks to me like your original source is lying, Anarcho capitalist utopia. The child wasn't being "forced" to be trans, and it was the father who was acting abusively.

If you believe what the mother says. Just because the court sided with an abusive mother who wants to force her son to pretend to be female, doesnt justify her actions

James has been known to act as a girl only under his mother's precense. He has been pressured into saying those things by his mother. He did not act that way with anyone else, or at least until the mother got full custody and was able to enact her disturbing fantasies onto him

[DiscussionPuppet]

Good news for the thread: I booked an initial appointment for hormone therapy at planned parenthood.

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So dysphoria completely ruined my day today.

Aw that's rough.

That's really good. Having at least one person that you actually know know about you being trans (or a sexual minority, etc.) is a lot more helpful than it might seem at first glance.

Having any supportive figure in your life makes a difference.

It's still kind of hard though, I'm having a hard time getting the courage to do it because I know him IRL.

Why do I have to be so paranoid?

[Hediacrana]

On the bright side, I think I might be able to actually email a teacher that I have about this. Of course, it'll have to be anonymously for now, but it would be the only person I know IRL that would be aware that I was trans.

That's a big deal! I really hope everything goes well for you as you approach this person. It's a momentous step, and no matter the outcome, you're really brave and awesome to make it.

Good news for the thread: I booked an initial appointment for hormone therapy at planned parenthood.

Well done!

I myself am preparing a sermon at church for a few weeks from now, and I've decided I will be delivering this one in full femme mode. I've worn subtly feminine clothing at church before; I usually stay near the back with the other parents of young children. But this time, the femininity of my clothes will be much more blatant, and I'm going to be standing in front of the whole congregation, having their attention on me for at least twenty minutes.