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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
23
24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
16
16%
 
Total votes : 97

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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
That is merely propaganda.

Turning your genitals inside out doesn't make you a woman.


#nowthatswhaticalledgy

Also, that's some lame ass girldick erasure on his part.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:29 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:


That is merely propaganda.

Turning your genitals inside out doesn't make you a woman.


If actual fucking scientists won't convince you, then you're beyond all use of reason.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:30 am

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
#nowthatswhaticalledgy

Also, that's some lame ass girldick erasure on his part.


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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:27 am

Grenartia wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
That is merely propaganda.

Turning your genitals inside out doesn't make you a woman.


If actual fucking scientists won't convince you, then you're beyond all use of reason.


The actual scientists are either silenced, or choose to take a back seat to political ideology.
Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
#nowthatswhaticalledgy

Also, that's some lame ass girldick erasure on his part.

If theres anything I don't like about the 4chan and anime subcultures, it is their obsession with 'girl'dicks, even right wing people who I otherwise agree with 99%. Its frusturating

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:28 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
If actual fucking scientists won't convince you, then you're beyond all use of reason.


The actual scientists are either silenced, or choose to take a back seat to political ideology.


Prove it then.
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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
The actual scientists are either silenced, or choose to take a back seat to political ideology.


Prove it then.

David Reimer is a historic and tragic example.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:34 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Prove it then.

David Reimer is a historic and tragic example.


So what you're saying is we shouldn't force someone to be the gender they are not against their will? Nice to see you agree with us.
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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:David Reimer is a historic and tragic example.


So what you're saying is we shouldn't force someone to be the gender they are not against their will? Nice to see you agree with us.

No, what im saying is that doctors and parents shouldnt force transgenderism on their children

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:38 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what you're saying is we shouldn't force someone to be the gender they are not against their will? Nice to see you agree with us.

No, what im saying is that doctors and parents shouldnt force transgenderism on their children


Which no-one does. What your example proves is forcing people to live in a gender that they are not is bad.
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Postby Revanchism » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:41 am

Why are you all feeding the troll?
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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:No, what im saying is that doctors and parents shouldnt force transgenderism on their children


Which no-one does. What your example proves is forcing people to live in a gender that they are not is bad.

Which is exactly what progressives and leftists keep pushing for.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:44 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which no-one does. What your example proves is forcing people to live in a gender that they are not is bad.

Which is exactly what progressives and leftists keep pushing for.


Letting people be who they are is bad? That's not what your example says.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:47 am

Liriena wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:There are only 2 genders

Factually incorrect.

Technically Correct
Factually Incorrect
Wronger Than Wrong

The three genders.


Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:


That is merely propaganda.

Turning your genitals inside out doesn't make you a woman.

It's interesting that you phrase it that way, because humans begin our development as anatomically female and after a certain point in the pregnancy our hormones kick in and we either stay female or develop male anatomy.

So if one has a penis and testicles then one's genitals are, in a sense, already inside-out.


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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:49 am

Revanchism wrote:Why are you all feeding the troll?


If we don't scream loudly at every low-effort technicolour yawn that gets spewed into the bowl then how will anyone know how proud and absolutely not emotionally insecure we all are?

That said, as well as not feeding it, the optimal red-text-free path also involves reporting it rather than naming it.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:36 pm

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Prove it then.

David Reimer is a historic and tragic example.

Yeah, a historic and tragic example of why you can't unilaterally force a child to identify with a gender just to cover for a past medical mishap. Which, if anything, is a pretty good argument for respecting both cisgender and transgender people's gender identities.
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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:David Reimer is a historic and tragic example.

Yeah, a historic and tragic example of why you can't unilaterally force a child to identify with a gender just to cover for a past medical mishap. Which, if anything, is a pretty good argument for respecting both cisgender and transgender people's gender identities.

And people still don't understand what I'm saying.

David was a boy forced to be a girl. The man in charge of the whole procedure, Dr John Money was a man who pushed for the same shit that the transgenderists push today, the idea that gender is a social construct rather than a biological reality

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:45 pm

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yeah, a historic and tragic example of why you can't unilaterally force a child to identify with a gender just to cover for a past medical mishap. Which, if anything, is a pretty good argument for respecting both cisgender and transgender people's gender identities.

And people still don't understand what I'm saying.

David was a boy forced to be a girl. The man in charge of the whole procedure, Dr John Money was a man who pushed for the same shit that the transgenderists push today, the idea that gender is a social construct rather than a biological reality


Maybe in your fantasy world. The only people doing the forcing now are the conservatives.
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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:And people still don't understand what I'm saying.

David was a boy forced to be a girl. The man in charge of the whole procedure, Dr John Money was a man who pushed for the same shit that the transgenderists push today, the idea that gender is a social construct rather than a biological reality


Maybe in your fantasy world. The only people doing the forcing now are the conservatives.

Dr money wrote several books on gender. Many of his ideas are mainstream in the transgender movement.

And this is exactly what the transgenderists pushes for today
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Postby Philjia » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yeah, a historic and tragic example of why you can't unilaterally force a child to identify with a gender just to cover for a past medical mishap. Which, if anything, is a pretty good argument for respecting both cisgender and transgender people's gender identities.

And people still don't understand what I'm saying.

David was a boy forced to be a girl. The man in charge of the whole procedure, Dr John Money was a man who pushed for the same shit that the transgenderists push today, the idea that gender is a social construct rather than a biological reality

Nah, it's the feminists who hate transpeople who make that assertion.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:51 pm

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yeah, a historic and tragic example of why you can't unilaterally force a child to identify with a gender just to cover for a past medical mishap. Which, if anything, is a pretty good argument for respecting both cisgender and transgender people's gender identities.

And people still don't understand what I'm saying.

David was a boy forced to be a girl.

We know. And that was very shitty.

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:The man in charge of the whole procedure, Dr John Money was a man who pushed for the same shit that the transgenderists push today, the idea that gender is a social construct rather than a biological reality

Except that trans activists and professionals don't advocate for forcing pre-pubescent children to become trans, let alone undergo any sort of surgery. If you bothered to read that trans activists and professional organizations are actually advocating for, maybe you'd know.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Maybe in your fantasy world. The only people doing the forcing now are the conservatives.

Dr money wrote several books on gender. Many of his ideas are mainstream in the transgender movement.

And this is exactly what the transgenderists pushes for today


Oh, a website run by social conservatives said it. Guess it must be true. :roll:
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Maybe in your fantasy world. The only people doing the forcing now are the conservatives.

Dr money wrote several books on gender. Many of his ideas are mainstream in the transgender movement.

And this is exactly what the transgenderists pushes for today

lifesitenews


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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:Dr money wrote several books on gender. Many of his ideas are mainstream in the transgender movement.

And this is exactly what the transgenderists pushes for today

lifesitenews


Nope.


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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:55 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:Dr money wrote several books on gender. Many of his ideas are mainstream in the transgender movement.

And this is exactly what the transgenderists pushes for today


Oh, a website run by social conservatives said it. Guess it must be true. :roll:

To be fair, the article does link to a website that appears to have actual court documents. But it looks to me like lifesitenews might be misleading in its assessment of what went on with this child.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh, a website run by social conservatives said it. Guess it must be true. :roll:

To be fair, the article does link to a website that appears to have actual court documents. But it looks to me like lifesitenews might be misleading in its assessment of what went on with this child.


So I'm guessing it's "Mum sues dad for not respecting daughter's identity"?
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