Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Grenartia]

Oh but it can be quite bad. Speak to transgender people who have tried to deny who they are for years and years and see what they say about this. Eventually, you will do what you think it's best, but that ''best'' isn't necessarily such. It's your life, in the end. *shrug*

Family is best. So it's the right thing to do. I think.

Family is not necessarily best.

[Grenartia]

Because Spanish class is supposed to be boring and teach you nothing. French is much more fun with the right teacher.

Neither. An agreement has been reached.

Are you in the closet for safety reasons?

She's 13 and her parents are members of a very anti-LGBT sect. She and her parents reached a "compromise" that will supposedly keep her out of conversion camp (I'm highly skeptical). That's all I think I'm at liberty to disclose.

[Jelmatt]

Are you in the closet for safety reasons?

She's 13 and her parents are members of a very anti-LGBT sect. She and her parents reached a "compromise" that will supposedly keep her out of conversion camp (I'm highly skeptical). That's all I think I'm at liberty to disclose.

14, I thought.

[Philjia]

She's 13 and her parents are members of a very anti-LGBT sect. She and her parents reached a "compromise" that will supposedly keep her out of conversion camp (I'm highly skeptical). That's all I think I'm at liberty to disclose.

14, I thought.

Too young to protect herself regardless.

[The New California Republic]

Are you in the closet for safety reasons?

She's 13 and her parents are members of a very anti-LGBT sect. She and her parents reached a "compromise" that will supposedly keep her out of conversion camp (I'm highly skeptical). That's all I think I'm at liberty to disclose.

I'm hoping that when Geneviev is old enough and has the ability that she will leave, and finally be free to be who she is.

[Grenartia]

14, I thought.

Too young to protect herself regardless.

[Philjia]

Too young to protect herself regardless.

Would that I could.

[The Blaatschapen]

Too young to protect herself regardless.

Quite hard to do in this case, for me at least

I know some great resources in Berlin(there's quite a decent queer community here) that could help her out (she has German roots afaik). But given that she is underage and in the US, there's quite a few legal hurdles to cover.

[The New California Republic]

I know some great resources in Berlin(there's quite a decent queer community here) that could help her out (she has German roots afaik). But given that she is underage and in the US, there's quite a few legal hurdles to cover.

She lives in Germany, doesn't she?

[Grenartia]

I know some great resources in Berlin(there's quite a decent queer community here) that could help her out (she has German roots afaik). But given that she is underage and in the US, there's quite a few legal hurdles to cover.

She lives in Germany, doesn't she?

No, she said before that she lives in California.

[The New California Republic]

She lives in Germany, doesn't she?

No, she said before that she lives in California.

Oh, OK. Hmm. I would have to look up Californian law in detail then, but the age of majority is 18, and she is 14, so it might be 4 years of bullshit "compromise" unfortunately.

[Grenartia]

No, she said before that she lives in California.

Oh, OK. Hmm. I would have to look up Californian law in detail then, but the age of majority is 18, and she is 14, so it might be 4 years of bullshit "compromise" unfortunately.

We've already established that California has outlawed conversion therapy, so her parents would be legally liable if they did so.

What other options exist depend on how much her parents actions can be considered abusive by the legal system there.

[Jelmatt]

Geneviev, how long ago did you come out?

There is a chance your parents will come around. Sometimes the ones who show resistance at first will come to realize that they're mistaken, and support you instead.

[Grenartia]

Geneviev, how long ago did you come out?

There is a chance your parents will come around. Sometimes the ones who show resistance at first will come to realize that they're mistaken, and support you instead.

Based on the TGs we've exchanged, that possibility seems remote.

[The New California Republic]

Geneviev, how long ago did you come out?

There is a chance your parents will come around. Sometimes the ones who show resistance at first will come to realize that they're mistaken, and support you instead.

Based on the TGs we've exchanged, that possibility seems remote.

Agreed. It is more likely that they will not budge, due to the hardcore nature of their religious beliefs. People whose hardcore beliefs are created by their religion rarely do an about-face and compromise.

[Dylar]

1. It's denounced, 2. it's definitely not compatible with Christianity, 3. but neither is any other sin.

1. Not by anyone who matters.

2. Bullshit.

3. Its not a sin. Sorry.

1. TIL the Church doesn't matter
2. Not really
3. It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

[The New California Republic]

It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

How the hell can being trans be "repented"? How can one repent one's identity? Think of this: if being cis was a sin, could you repent identifying as male in your male body?

[Vassenor]

1. Not by anyone who matters.

2. Bullshit.

3. Its not a sin. Sorry.

1. TIL the Church doesn't matter
2. Not really
3. It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

So where does the Bible actively condemn it then?

[Aellex]

1. TIL the Church doesn't matter
2. Not really
3. It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

So where does the Bible actively condemn it then?

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for all who do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."
Deuteronomy 22:5

And that's not even brushing on Paul and his condemnation of self-castration in his epistles to the Galates.

[Grenartia]

Based on the TGs we've exchanged, that possibility seems remote.

Agreed. It is more likely that they will not budge, due to the hardcore nature of their religious beliefs. People whose hardcore beliefs are created by their religion rarely do an about-face and compromise.

The only exception I've noticed is if they realize they'd rather have a living daughter than a dead son.

1. Not by anyone who matters.

2. Bullshit.

3. Its not a sin. Sorry.

1. TIL the Church doesn't matter
2. Not really
3. It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

1. Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox churches are infallible.

2. If it weren't compatible, then transgender Christians would not exist. QED

3. It doesn't meet any of the requirements to be a sin.

[Grenartia]

It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

How the hell can being trans be "repented"? How can one repent one's identity? Think of this: if being cis was a sin, could you repent identifying as male in your male body?

Lets put this in language they can understand.

How can I repent for my God-given identity? If anything, repenting of it would be equivalent to blasphemy.

[Aellex]

1. Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox churches are infallible.

2. If it weren't compatible, then transgender Christians would not exist. QED

3. It doesn't meet any of the requirements to be a sin.

1. The Church and Pope (when he speaks Ex Cathedra as the Vicar of Christ on Earth) both are infallible.

2. If murder, rape and sodomy weren't compatible with Christianity, then murderous, rapists and sodomites Christians wouldn't exist! """QED"""

3. God decides what is a sin or not and your political opinions have no sway on His Will.

[Dylar]

Agreed. It is more likely that they will not budge, due to the hardcore nature of their religious beliefs. People whose hardcore beliefs are created by their religion rarely do an about-face and compromise.

The only exception I've noticed is if they realize they'd rather have a living daughter than a dead son.

1. TIL the Church doesn't matter
2. Not really
3. It is, but like other sins, scratch blasphemy, it can be repented

1. Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox churches are infallible.

2. If it weren't compatible, then transgender Christians would not exist. QED

3. It doesn't meet any of the requirements to be a sin.

1. The Catholic Church is infallible. The people within, however, are not.

2. Sins aren't compatible with Christianity, yet sinful Christians exist.

3. There are 3 requirements for a mortal sin:
Grave matter; the act is intrinsically evil/immoral
Full Knowledge; you know that it's evil/immoral
Deliberate Consent;self-explanatory
And a venial sin is any sin that doesn't meet all 3 requirements at once.

[The New California Republic]

-Snip-

You must have forgotten to answer this question or something, so I will just leave it here to remind you, k? Thx!

How the hell can being trans be "repented"? How can one repent one's identity? Think of this: if being cis was a sin, could you repent identifying as male in your male body?

[Grenartia]

The only exception I've noticed is if they realize they'd rather have a living daughter than a dead son.



1. Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox churches are infallible.

2. If it weren't compatible, then transgender Christians would not exist. QED

3. It doesn't meet any of the requirements to be a sin.

1. The Catholic Church is infallible. The people within, however, are not.

2. Sins aren't compatible with Christianity, yet sinful Christians exist.

3. There are 3 requirements for a mortal sin:
Grave matter; the act is intrinsically evil/immoral
Full Knowledge; you know that it's evil/immoral
Deliberate Consent;self-explanatory
And a venial sin is any sin that doesn't meet all 3 requirements at once.

1. That's a nice little compartmentalization you've got there. Unfortunately, it is dead wrong. Since the Catholic Church is run by people (who, by your own admission, are fallible), it MUST also be fallible. You cannot obtain infallibility from fallibility. History itself confirms the fallibility of the Catholic Church. From Galileo to pedo priests, from indulgences to witch hunts, from the Inquisition (and the promotion of anti-Semitism in general, which only added fuel to the fire for the Holocaust) to book burnings, the facts are clear: the Catholic Church is no more infallible than anyone else.

2. And yet, you haven't provided anything to justify calling it a sin.

3. And being trans meets absolutely none of those. Therefore, not a sin.